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[Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 16 20:07:12 2009  Line: 2nd Avenue El...Location: Queensborough Bridge...Car: MUDC... Photo by: Joseph Frank...Collection of: Joe Testagrose |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 16 20:40:17 2009, in response to [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 16 20:07:12 2009. Wow! :-) |
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Posted by modelrider on Thu Sep 17 14:05:56 2009, in response to [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 16 20:07:12 2009. I love comparing before and now photos.
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Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge |
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Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Thu Sep 17 14:14:15 2009, in response to [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 16 20:07:12 2009. wow |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Sep 17 15:39:26 2009, in response to [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 16 20:07:12 2009. I thought that when the line first opened in 1917, the tracks ran down the middle of the upper level and the lower level was reserved for cars. Then when more car capacity was needed, two lanes were opened on the upper level and the 2nd Ave line was shunted to one side. |
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Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 17 15:44:38 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Sep 17 15:39:26 2009. I do know from the construction photos that the trackways were built directly down the middle of the upper level but I have never seen any photos of trains actually operating there so I don't know if they ever operated that way at all or whether the trackways were moved before actual operation began. |
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Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge |
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Posted by Mellow One on Fri Sep 18 09:57:30 2009, in response to [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 16 20:07:12 2009. That is a classic image of NYC's Elevated Railway History.I put up an album of Second Ave El Queensboro Bridge images showing the construction and later modification to the trackway. |
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Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Sep 18 10:59:28 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by modelrider on Thu Sep 17 14:05:56 2009. You are facing the wrong direction.The El was on the north side of the bridge. It's on the right side of the picture. That means the picture is facing west or towards Manhattan. You are facing towards Queens. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Sep 18 11:03:10 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 17 15:44:38 2009. The tracks were moved circa 1928, 1929. I've seen pictures of the operation with trains and tracks in the between two inboard pedestrian paths. Unfortunately, I cannot find one on the web. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Sep 18 11:15:04 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Sep 18 11:03:10 2009. The tracks were not removed,they were shifted over to allow autos to use the upper level.there are photos of this in the tracks of new york volume 3[iirc] |
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Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge |
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Posted by piyer on Fri Sep 18 11:15:14 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Sep 18 11:03:10 2009. Found a couple of photos of the original configuration. Click on the link below, then follow the Google Books preview link. Page 70 of the book has as-built photos of the upper level.The Queensboro Bridge book |
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Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 18 13:35:58 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Thu Sep 17 14:14:15 2009. Wow-wee-wow-wow!!! |
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Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 18 14:12:18 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Mellow One on Fri Sep 18 09:57:30 2009. Nice shots. This one clearly shows that the tracks used to run down the middle, and exactly where they were moved to the south side of the bridge: |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Sep 18 14:44:55 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 18 14:12:18 2009. This one clearly shows that the tracks used to run down the middle, and exactly where they were moved to the south side of the bridge:That picture is on the Manhattan side looking east. The tracks move from the middle to the left in this view. That puts them move to the north side of the bridge. The automobile lanes were on the south side of the bridge. |
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Posted by timz2 on Fri Sep 18 14:45:17 2009, in response to [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 16 20:07:12 2009. In the original pic, at least some of the autos are westbound? But in one of Mellow One's pics they're all eastbound? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 18 14:52:26 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Sep 18 14:44:55 2009. Duh, I should have noticed the BMT tracks from the tubes if it was the Queens side.It looks to me as if the tracks were shunted over to make room for 2 lanes of auto traffic built much later than the bridge itself. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Sep 18 15:06:44 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by timz2 on Fri Sep 18 14:45:17 2009. In the original pic, at least some of the autos are westbound? But in one of Mellow One's pics they're all eastbound?They used to change the direction of the upper roadway, depending on the time of day. The entrance on the Queens side was at Thompson Ave and the entrance on the Manhattan side was 57th St between First and Second Aves. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Sep 18 15:49:51 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by piyer on Fri Sep 18 11:15:14 2009. Keep reading past page 70, and there are pictures of the 60th Street Tunnel under construction, as well as Queensboro Plaza, and then Astoria Line construction photos. |
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Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Sep 18 19:17:08 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Mellow One on Fri Sep 18 09:57:30 2009. Thanks for the link Mr. Mellow. I once had a metal plate sign that said "Flushing Express". Not sure if there was an arrow through it or not.This pic is my favorite.  Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Mellow One on Sat Sep 19 09:03:28 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Sep 18 19:17:08 2009. Thanks, of course, this image shows the BMT usage of the former 2nd Ave El tracks at the Queeens end of the bridge. I believe that the track to the left is a reversing siding for the BMT El cars to use while the line was still under the dual operation until 1949. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Sep 19 16:12:03 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Mellow One on Fri Sep 18 09:57:30 2009. I've heard 2 stories why the service ended on June 13th, 1942. The first one was declining ridership, after the 1939 Worls's Fair. The second one was real estate interests killed it and to have the scrap steel sold for the war effort. Which one is true? |
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Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Sep 19 16:36:17 2009, in response to Re: [Old Photo] MUDC's On The Queensboro Bridge, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Sep 19 16:12:03 2009. Probably the second story.While ridership was declining because the crowds weren't going to the World's Fair, People were moving out to Queens and the ridership was going to be there. |
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