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Posted by mr_brian on Wed Jun 17 13:51:00 2009, in response to *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 17 13:46:47 2009. Knox & Kane RRWhat is left of their rolling stock is being auctioned off.
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 17 14:06:22 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by mr_brian on Wed Jun 17 13:51:00 2009. Thanks Brian for the info. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 17 14:18:20 2009, in response to *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 17 13:46:47 2009. You call that night? Hehe, nice shots.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 17 14:21:20 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 17 14:18:20 2009. Thanks Fred. It was after 7 PM when I took these photos. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Jun 17 14:44:52 2009, in response to *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 17 13:46:47 2009. Looks like a ping pong coach. T54.Ping Pong #7433 From The Oyster Bay RR Museum: Press Release 12/8/08 To the average commuter on the LIRR during the middle of the twentieth century there is probably nothing that symbolized their hours spent riding the rails more than the inside of a Ping-Pong coach. The P-54 coach as it was classified was designed as a lightweight coach to replace the wooden fleet. The light weight and truck design also resulted in the rough ride that earned the cars their nickname. An interesting feature of the cars is that they were made to be converted from steam hauled to electric with relative ease. They served the LIRR faithfully for an impressive 60 years! When the last were retired in 1974 many found homes on tourist railroads. Subsequently, none were saved by any preservation group on Long Island, leaving a major gap in telling of the story of the LIRR. In the recent past a few opportunities have come up to rectify this. Such opportunities included the car on the Long Island Expressway and the batch of cars in Boonton, NJ. Unfortunately the cars that were available had been gutted or significantly altered and all suffered badly from corrosion thus making their salvage and restoration cost prohibitive. Recently the Knox & Kane tourist railroad in western Pennsylvania closed its doors for good and sold off its equipment. A scrap metal dealer bought a good portion of the rolling stock, including three Pings. Thanks to our friends from Island Rail LLC we were put in contact with the scrapper and arrangements were made to inspect the cars. For cars that are notorious for rotting out, these are remarkably solid, a testament to the care and maintenance given by the Knox and Kane. One car in particular, T-54 #7433, is in remarkably good shape and still retains its original seat frames and classic round windows. While we are very picky when it comes to adding rolling stock to our collection, this car was simply too good to pass up and the odds of finding another car in as good of shape are very slim. After an inspection trip by the OBRM we have purchased it for inclusion into the museum. This car is a very important acquisition and in reality, we had planned for such an acquisition in our long range plans in the hopes that such an opportunity might arise. The cost of purchasing, transporting and restoring the coach are considerable but we feel that the collection would not be complete without it. As it stands now the car should be delivered to Oyster Bay in March/April of 2009. Naturally, we are seeking donations toward this cause. For all those impassioned lovers of the ping-pong and those wishing to ensure the continued preservation of the LIRR's rich history, here is your chance to make a difference. Please consider sending a tax-deductible donation to us and mark your check's memo box "PING PONG". Donations may be sent to: OBRM, P O Box 335, Oyster Bay, New York 11771. We want to give big thanks to Island Rail LLC for all of their support and for being a corporate sponsor of the project. We will keep you updated as things come together. Meanwhile, feel free to forward your questions to us at LIRR35@aol.com. Oyster Bay RR Museum |
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Posted by Mr. MTA on Wed Jun 17 17:38:08 2009, in response to *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 17 13:46:47 2009. When I saw the title I thought it must be an R160, but I have absolutely no idea what this is! =( |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Jun 17 17:40:33 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Mr. MTA on Wed Jun 17 17:38:08 2009. That's funny, because the post before yours explained exactly what it is and why it was there. |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Wed Jun 17 19:37:51 2009, in response to *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 17 13:46:47 2009. Looks like an old LIRR/PRR Ping Pong car. In very good shape too it seems! |
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Posted by tramrunner on Wed Jun 17 20:44:16 2009, in response to *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 17 13:46:47 2009. looks cool!!!!!where is it transported? and for what a reason? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 17 20:57:03 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by tramrunner on Wed Jun 17 20:44:16 2009. where is it transported? and for what a reason? A post before yours explained exactly what it is and why it was there. Take Pride,
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Posted by Mr. MTA on Wed Jun 17 21:44:16 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by WillD on Wed Jun 17 17:40:33 2009. I didn't see the other post. It's no big deal. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jun 17 22:18:37 2009, in response to *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 17 13:46:47 2009. Very nice photos. This P54 car appears to be on its way to the Oyster Bay Railroad Museum. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Jun 17 22:36:53 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jun 17 22:18:37 2009. T54, not P54. It's a trailer, not a motor. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 17 22:44:07 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jun 17 22:18:37 2009. This P54 car P54?? As Dave noted, it is a T54. And he should know...he posted detailed information about this car ALREADY IN THIS THREAD. appears to be on its way to the Oyster Bay Railroad Museum. Appears??? Again, detailed information was already posted. Take Pride,
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 17 22:45:08 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Mr. MTA on Wed Jun 17 21:44:16 2009. How could you have missed it?? Don't you read all the posts in a thread first before replying so you can make the most intelligent response possible? |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Jun 17 22:51:12 2009, in response to *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 17 13:46:47 2009. Great catch, and it's clearly going east on the GWB Plaza, as the previous info implies. It's probably in Oyster Bay already.I guess it's clearly a T and not an M since it's single ended (although there is no view of the other end of the car.. no owl eye window). It's in wonderful shape. Next time I'm on LI, I'll visit the OBRM. I hope they paint it gray and orange and not Tuscan red. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jun 17 23:12:45 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 17 22:44:07 2009. Whatever you say. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jun 17 23:15:38 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Dave on Wed Jun 17 22:36:53 2009. Thanks for correcting me in a non-pompous manner. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 18 02:27:17 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Dave on Wed Jun 17 22:36:53 2009. The designation "P" would still be in the car type description since it is a passenger car whether motor or trailer. |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Jun 18 07:55:12 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 17 22:45:08 2009. Don't you read the posts imploring you to actually learn a few manners and perhaps work out how to reply with a degree of politeness once in a while? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 18 10:05:02 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 17 22:45:08 2009. Nobody reads all the posts in a thread. Except psychos. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 18 10:15:56 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 18 10:05:02 2009. False. People who make intelligent posts read all the posts first. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 18 10:21:25 2009, in response to *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 17 13:46:47 2009. Blast. Missed a Ponger driving down I-80. (I've seen enough R160s heading east on that road through the Pokeyernose; this would have been a welcome change. If we had a continuous railroad going from that part of PA onto the DL&W and the Cutoff, one can imagine seeing it roll through on an actual train . . .) |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jun 18 11:49:16 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 18 10:05:02 2009. Nobody reads all the posts in a thread. Except psychos.Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 18 14:29:56 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 18 10:15:56 2009. Assuming that to be true, then what happened to ye? |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Jun 21 19:19:16 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 18 02:27:17 2009. I don't believe that's correct. P = Powered. T = Trailer. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 21 19:25:01 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jun 17 23:12:45 2009. Of course I'm right, and I told you how I know I'm right. How did you completely miss the earlier posts in this thread which completely explained the circumstances surrounding this car??? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 21 22:36:21 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 18 02:27:17 2009. In LIRR Nomenclature "P" on a car or locomotive stands for "Passenger"Powered cars are "MP" Thus spake the LION! Ewes do not argue with LIONS ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 21 22:38:30 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 17 22:44:07 2009. ROAR!"http://www.lirrhistory.com/rolling.html" no such thing as "T" P = Passenger MP = Multiple Unit Passenger ROAR |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 22 01:00:48 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 21 22:38:30 2009. Ok. Well bring it up with Dave. Looks like a ping pong coach. T54. |
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7433 was both a P-54 and a T-54 |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jun 22 15:51:04 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Dave on Sun Jun 21 19:19:16 2009. From Dave Keller:“M” designating the unit to be a “motor” or powered control cab and the “P” meaning “passenger”, while the “54” was the length of the car, bulkhead to bulkhead. As an aside, an MU baggage car was an “MPB54” because it was powered, it carried passengers AND it carried baggage. However, the electrics were MP54 or T54 units (“T” meaning trailer; non-powered). And some of the OLDER, original purchase MP54 units had clerestory roofs and not the famous arched roofs. Information: Dave Keller Unmotorized trailer coaches T-54 392-451 1915 T-54A 481-511 1920 T-54B 837-996 1927 T-62 200 1932 double deck CT-70 201 1937 double deck T-72 2801-2844 1955 But here's the history of 7433, which at one time was a T-54: #7433 has an interesting history! 1. Built by American Car and Foundry between May and June, 1923 as a class P54E steam car, #433. 2. Converted to an MU trailer between March and May, 1925, with no change in car # but a change in class to T54B. 3. Modernized in March, 1958 and converted BACK to a steam car, renumbered #7433 and re-classed P54D. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Jun 22 16:32:24 2009, in response to 7433 was both a P-54 and a T-54, posted by Dave on Mon Jun 22 15:51:04 2009. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 22 17:40:26 2009, in response to 7433 was both a P-54 and a T-54, posted by Dave on Mon Jun 22 15:51:04 2009. Based on the PRR designations, wouldn't a trailer be designated "TP" since it is a trailer car that carries passengers? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 22 17:44:40 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 21 22:36:21 2009. Actually, the MP-72's that were converted to push-pull in the early 1970's assumed the class PT-72 to distinguish from the conventional P-72, which were not compatible. 2801-2844 were MU trailers, and referred to as T-72 in their EMU days. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 22 17:52:32 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 22 01:00:48 2009. I'm afraid you simply do not understand the difference between T and P.P meant steam service, belt-driven batteries, and manual doors, T meant non-motorized trailers in EMU consists and MU pneumatic doors, and trainlined. Ping-pong only referred to them while in steam service. They were generally not mixed with other classes of cars, including clerestory roofed P-54's as they oscillated between them and wore out their draft gear. Many of the 300 and 400's (7300 & 7400's in post 1955 rebuild) were converted or sometimes back and forth in their lifespan. This particular car was a P54 in the post 1955-era, I do not know beforehand. P54's 51-90 were converted to full-fledged MP-54s in 1930. They were renumbered in the 1900's, also also were distinguishable by a diaphragm frame around the end door. None survive. |
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Re: 7433 was both a P-54 and a T-54 |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jun 22 18:19:27 2009, in response to Re: 7433 was both a P-54 and a T-54, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 22 17:40:26 2009. Nah...that's for cars with extra bathrooms.... |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jun 22 19:57:57 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 22 17:52:32 2009. Joe is correct. See my post "7433 was both a P-54 and a T-54." |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 22 20:17:31 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Dave on Mon Jun 22 19:57:57 2009. Yes, and the other giveaway hint is that had this been a T54, and gotten the 1950's rebuild, it would have been 6433, not 7433.The "LIE car" was 921. When it ran in service in the 1960's, it was 7921. (There was also a 7922). All the upper 700's, 800's, and 900's were built in 1917-21, as MU trailers. 921 and 922 were the only 2 in diesel service in later years, and the only 2 to get a rebuild. Most were scrapped in the 1955 Pullman-Standard onslaught, and only a few survived until the M-1. They were among the first MU's scrapped. Some of them had their window shaded replaced with a 8" wide corrugated green plastic about 50' long and bolted to the interior window posts. Very tacky. The 1917 cars has a different roof profile as well. The first arch roof cars were the B40 of 1915. They were 40' baggage/express cars. There are very few pictures of them. All were converted to MofW after the war. They were extinct by 1963. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 22 22:07:51 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 22 17:52:32 2009. I'm afraid you simply do not understand the difference between T and P. Whoa there sparky. I never claimed to understand the difference. I never claimed anything about this car. I only referenced material that others posted. Take Pride,
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 22 22:08:10 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Dave on Mon Jun 22 19:57:57 2009. You're telling Joe that he's correct? |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jun 22 22:28:49 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 22 22:08:10 2009. Joe is correct about T meaning non-motorized trailers in EMU consists and MU pneumatic doors, and trainlined. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 22 22:51:30 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Dave on Mon Jun 22 22:28:49 2009. You mean Joe V is correct about Joe V. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 23 07:57:05 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 22 22:51:30 2009. Yes I am right, Get over it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 23 09:25:51 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 23 07:57:05 2009. I never said you weren't right. I'm just trying to understand why certain responses are being made and why they are being made in the places they are being made.You also have failed to respond to this post: Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?**** (799628) |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 23 12:27:26 2009, in response to Re: *****PHOTO EXCLUSIVE: What car is this at the GW Bridge last night?****, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 23 09:25:51 2009. Ok, sorry |
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