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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 11 19:10:35 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jun 11 18:50:09 2009. The assumption (and it may very well be a bad one) is that the temporary tracks would have been build right over where the eastbound platform is and that the station in the picture is a temporary station.Whatever the outcome, that is a great picture. CG |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jun 11 22:08:03 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 11 19:10:35 2009. The platform and anything on it look too permanent to be temporary (they look old). Then again the power lines are already moved to the new grade separated structure. I don't see a platform on the train side which suggests it's an old eastbound express track on a four-tracked section.Must be Floral Park or west of there but I think I'd rule out Floral Park. |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 11 22:54:47 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jun 11 18:50:09 2009. Interesting....I didn't know Floral Park had a high platform before the grade elimination. |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 11 23:31:07 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jun 11 22:08:03 2009. My guess is that there is a corresponding westbound platform on the north side of the new elevated structure. The platform does look old.Maybe it's time to play "Where isn't this"... The key things to consider are: A - Next station to the west must be visible. B - Next station to the west must have been elevated at the same time. C - Next station to the west must be an island platform D - Power lines must be on the south side of the elevated structure. E - Tracks going west must be relatively straight. Here's the list of LIRR stations that it could be -- i.e. stations that were elevated and electrified prior to the M-1's coming on the scene. Next to each, I've placed the letters A-D to show which of the above 4 criteria are not satisfied by the station. Laurelton -- C Rosedale -- E St. Albans -- A, C Springfield Gardens -- A Valley Stream -- A, D Lynbrook -- A, D Rockville Centre -- A, D Baldwin -- A, D Freeport -- A, D Wantagh -- B, D Seaford -- D Massapequa -- B, D Babylon -- A Bellerose -- C Floral Park -- ?? |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jun 12 00:07:43 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 11 23:31:07 2009. After I zoomed the pic, I'm not sure if that is a station and maybe we could forget A. And I'd like to know what Wayne's got to say. |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 12 07:24:10 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 11 23:31:07 2009. I agree with your analysis....but one question....how are we sure we are looking west? That would determine it seems to rule out the Babylon Branch because the power lines are on the north. |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 12 07:25:28 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 12 07:24:10 2009. Actually, I aswered my own question...the sun would suggest a westward view, as the sun would be coming from the south, as it is. |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Fri Jun 12 10:05:25 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Charles G on Wed Jun 10 16:24:15 2009. I traveled east on the Babylon Branch Thursday morning and kept an eye out for any possibility that this could be one of the stations east of RVC. Given the distances between stations, and the position of the power lines, I would say we can eliminate the Babylon branch as a possibility. |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 12 11:36:44 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by qveensboro_plaza on Fri Jun 12 10:05:25 2009. I also think the Babylon Branch is out....as the high tension wires are on the wrong side of the track. The view is definitely looking west by the position of the sun, that would mean the poles are on the south side of the tracks. Along the Babylon Branch, they are on the north side I believe. |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 12 11:44:45 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jun 11 18:50:09 2009. I think this pic eliminates Floral Park. |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jun 12 13:10:06 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 11 23:31:07 2009. Further find. Bellerose didn't have an island platform in 1959.
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by f179dj on Fri Jun 12 13:19:50 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jun 12 13:10:06 2009. It looked better too; not today's concrete slab. But I'm in QV so why should I care :)Did grow up in Hollis (before rappers made it famous/infamous); that was a nice station house, until it burned down. |
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Ye olde Floral Park |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 12 13:30:01 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jun 11 18:50:09 2009. This pic raises a question, since I can't tell if it's looking east or west. Is the current station located in the same spot as this older one? Apparently it's got the same configuration as Hollis or Queens Village, meaning Hemstead trains serve two outside local tracks, while mainline trains run express down the middle two. That would mean there had to be an interlocking immediately west of old Floral Park to allow the local tracks to connect to the diverging line towards Hempstead, as we see currently at QUEENS. But the current Hempstead branch diverges immediately east of the new station. Anyone know how the tracks were configured during this era? And while I'm at it, anyone know why Floral Park was configured for mainline trains to use, but NOT Bellrose? (the same question could be asked of Valley Stream, compared to Lynbrook). |
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Re: Ye olde Floral Park |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jun 12 14:16:24 2009, in response to Ye olde Floral Park, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 12 13:30:01 2009. It's looking east. Look at the shadows.You can find some answers to your questions here, where I found the photo. As to the last question, IDK. |
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Re: Ye olde Floral Park |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 12 14:44:47 2009, in response to Re: Ye olde Floral Park, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jun 12 14:16:24 2009. Thanks. Damn, that website is so damned hard to navigate. |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri Jun 12 15:03:22 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jun 12 13:10:06 2009. I wish I had been around for the old Floral Park and Bellerose stations.I think what you are seeing in the original picture is that the reconstruction/elevation of Floral Park and Bellerose happened at the same time. You can see the temporary tracks continue west along what is today Atlantic Avenue until just past the Bellerose station island platform (that is underconstruction). Then they curve to the right to rejoin the already elevated Main Line . |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 12 15:13:25 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by f179dj on Fri Jun 12 13:19:50 2009. |
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Re: Ye olde Floral Park |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jun 12 17:41:33 2009, in response to Re: Ye olde Floral Park, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 12 14:44:47 2009. I know. Try getting to that page from the top page. :) |
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Re: Ye olde Floral Park |
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Posted by timz2 on Fri Jun 12 19:15:45 2009, in response to Ye olde Floral Park, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 12 13:30:01 2009. "Is the current station located in the same spot as this older one [at Floral Park]?"The building at the left in the color pic (with the white cupola) is still there, visible in the online aerial pics. So yes, the station's about the same place. The eastward signal bridge for PARK interlocking was west of the west end of the platforms. |
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Re: Floral Park? mystery pic |
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Posted by timz2 on Fri Jun 12 19:25:08 2009, in response to Where is this...74, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 8 11:43:04 2009. If it is Floral Park...We're looking at the two Hempstead Branch tracks, with two main line tracks out of sight on the north side of the fill? Did they have four temporary tracks during construction, or just two? Was there a westward Hempstead Branch platform? If that is a water tank in the distance, then Floral Park is out? |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jun 12 21:35:01 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Charles G on Fri Jun 12 15:03:22 2009. I'm almost convinced but I've already posted the few details I have doubts about. Add to that Wayne said ten years ago that the temp track was single (per direction). |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri Jun 12 21:47:55 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jun 12 21:35:01 2009. The thing that put me over the top was the high-tension poles. In part because Floral Park is just about the only elevated station where they are on the south side of the tracks -- but more because there appear to be about 8 poles in the photo before you get to that next station. If you check a satellite photo, there are 8 poles between Bellerose and Floral Park today.We need Wayne to clinch it for everyone... |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 13 00:27:59 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by f179dj on Fri Jun 12 13:19:50 2009. I believe it was arson too.... |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Jun 13 09:25:17 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Charles G on Fri Jun 12 21:47:55 2009. I sent a note.... |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Jun 13 17:39:10 2009, in response to Where is this...74, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 8 11:43:04 2009. I'm voting for Floral Park. I drove through there today and was going to take a picture from where we suspect this may be, but it would have put me smack in the middle of Atlantic Avenue, and unlike other areas of the railroad, this section has not been denuded. Today, one cannot see from that point to the Bellerose station, so a picture from today probably would not be very instructive. However, the terrain of Atlantic Avenue matches what we see in the picture, and the distance to Bellerose seemed to be about right.The appointments of the station, assuming it was temporary, may have come from a permanent station that was removed during construction. I also suppose a 5-car train makes sense if it is the Hempstead branch. Presumably, even back then, the Main Line would have had longer trains. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Sat Jun 13 19:36:29 2009, in response to Re: Where is this...74, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Jun 13 17:39:10 2009. I'm convinced now, too, that it's Floral Park
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Charles G on Tue Jun 16 19:14:54 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Jun 13 09:25:17 2009. I couldn't take the suspense any longer and sent Wayne an e-mail. (I'm also looking forward to figuring out the next photo -- as these have been fun). He was kind enough to read through the thread and send along the following note:I would tend to agree with the statement that that is Floral Park. I remember single-tracking at one point in time at Tulip Avenue. There is also a down grade on Atlantic Avenue right at that location. I seem to remember temporary platforms in more than one location - one as shown in the photo (Childs Avenue) and the other across from Dalton's funeral home (Carlton Avenue). You are looking at Bellerose, already pretty much complete, in the distance. I'm as convinced as I think I can ever be that the photo is of Floral Park, looking west. |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 16 20:25:10 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Charles G on Tue Jun 16 19:14:54 2009. I agree with you Charles....I am about 95% it's Floral Park.I am going to get another one going....It's not that I didn't do one because we didn't figure this one out, I was going to do it over the weekend, but had been so busy so haven't had the time. I will try to get the next one up, as I enjoy these too..... |
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Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jun 16 23:03:20 2009, in response to Re: I'm thinking Floral Park (was Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74), posted by Charles G on Tue Jun 16 19:14:54 2009. Relief... Thanks, Charles and Wayne. |
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Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74 |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jun 16 23:20:50 2009, in response to Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 8 14:28:02 2009. Is that our trainsarefun? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 17 20:29:50 2009, in response to Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74, posted by Easy on Tue Jun 16 23:20:50 2009. No, not that I know of. I have emailed in the past with the trainsarefun of that website, which is Dave Keller, who wrote two LIRR books for Arcadia publishing in their "Images of America" series:Here's one of his books, "Revisting the Long Island Railroad": http://www.arcadiapublishing.com/news_article.html?id=241 |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jun 17 20:40:48 2009, in response to Re: Babylon Grade Crossing Eliminations Re: Where is this...74, posted by Easy on Tue Jun 16 23:20:50 2009. No relation.But it's a great website. |
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