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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 19:30:31 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 17:26:09 2008. You're going to wait a long time for my analysis. I'm here to learn, not teach. I can't even ever recall posting an analysis and any "incidents" so I really don't know what you're talking about. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 19:39:19 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 17:23:19 2008. Heh. Like THAT'S news around here. :)From my own experiences though, I was scared shitless the whole time I was operating, and never calmed down enough to get stupid. In all sincerity, it was the scariest gig I ever had. :( |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 14 19:42:04 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 17:29:29 2008. I can't deal with people talking in the car which is why I don't drive very often. But when it's a train or anything else "big and heavy" I just can't see why one would even take the chance. And as to NTSB, that's how long it takes for any incident. Meanwhile, I'm sure the jawboning will continue in earnest until CTA or somebody else puts another train on the ground. :( |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Sep 14 20:01:05 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 16:25:04 2008. Remember, we are dealing with a government agency. They will do everything to avoid taking the blame.The principle of "cause and effect" applies here. |
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Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 14 20:03:05 2008, in response to Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 14 11:36:15 2008. I agree with most of the posts regarding cell phone usage and operating unless the nature of the situation that requires such usage is such that the operator must use the device for emergency purposes without waiting for the train to come to a stop such as observing a fire, serious auto accident or other similar emergency within sight of the ROW. My concern, however is the apparent absence of any speed control devices that could have slowed or even stopped the train before it reached the critical situation. AFIK, most railroads today have cab signal equipment which notifies the engineer when a more restrictive condition exists ahead and emits a warning signal in the engine cab for the engineer to acknowledge AND reduce the speed of his/her train to that required or else the brakes will be applied that will either slow the train down sufficiently or even completely stop it if conditions warrant. In such a case, even if the engineer were totally oblivious to the conditions ahead, the train should have either been slowed or actually stopped before the colision could have occurred. Does anyone out there have any info regarding what type of train overspeed protection, if any, that piece of railroad might have? |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 14 20:11:13 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by hhp664 on Sun Sep 14 01:59:21 2008. I metioned that in a previous post. I asked if there are cab signals with overspeed protection on that area of the railroad. |
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Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 20:36:13 2008, in response to Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 14 20:03:05 2008. AFIK, most railroads today have cab signal equipmentActually, that's not correct. Most RRs do not use cab signals or an ATC or ATS system. So far as I know, Metrorail has no speed control. (ATSF had ATS on some trackage now used by Metrorail - including where the fatal collision involving a BNSF train took place a few years back - but it was removed in anticipation of a cab signal system that was never installed). In our area, thankfully, standards are higher. And on some lines in the Chicago-Detroit area that's also the case. But on most RRs, it's not. Out west, they have actually gone backwards in terms of signal enforcement instead of making progress. |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 20:41:25 2008, in response to Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 14 18:09:08 2008. Yes this is so. But is is the driver's responsibility to communicate with dispatch. For that we have radios. Pick it up and talk.ROAR |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 20:42:04 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Allan on Sun Sep 14 20:01:05 2008. The government agency already accepted blame. |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 20:42:18 2008, in response to Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Sep 14 19:23:25 2008. There were 50 years after the bathtub was invented and the telephone was inventer.ROPAR |
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Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 20:47:56 2008, in response to Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 20:36:13 2008. Metrolink, not Metrorail. Metro Rail is the subway/light system for LA County only. Metrolink is the name of the trains operated by the SCRRA in Los Angeles, Ventura, San Bernardino, Orange, and Riverside counties. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 21:05:02 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 19:30:31 2008. "You're going to wait a long time for my analysis"Especially if I want to hear anything from you that is relavent or informative. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 21:07:53 2008, in response to Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 20:47:56 2008. Oops - Metrorail just seems more 'natural', in my defense.... |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 21:12:59 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 21:05:02 2008. Not quite. I pass along what I hear at least some of which is relevant (or relavent if you prefer) and informative. I just stay away from the technical analyses because of my limited knowledge. Obviously from your posts in the off topic section, posting about which you have little knowledge is not a problem for you. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 21:17:25 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 21:12:59 2008. What are you trying to say, rabies? |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 14 21:19:27 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Sep 14 16:21:51 2008. How do you send text messages with a bluetooth? Type the characters with your earlobe? |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Sep 14 21:22:45 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 14 21:19:27 2008. Did I say send text messages with a blue tooth? No. I meant INSTEAD is texting, why not just use a Blue Tooth to talk, BUT Dutchrailnut already made a post of the rules. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Sep 14 22:03:30 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 20:42:04 2008. That is true.And here is further confirmation of this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-traincrash14-2008sep14,0,3660884.story From the Los Angeles Times Metrolink officials say trains crashed after their engineer drove through red light Federal transportation officials say it's too early to determine what caused the crash that has killed at least 25 people and left 135 more injured, 40 of them critically. By Esmeralda Bermudez,, Kate Linthicum and Rich Connell Los Angeles Times Staff Writers September 14, 2008 Metrolink officials said Saturday that a train engineer's failure to heed a red light signal apparently caused the catastrophic head-on crash in Chatsworth on Friday afternoon that claimed at least 25 lives. As rescuers continued the emotionally grueling work of extracting bodies from a tangled mountain of steel and dozens of families maintained vigils for the injured in hospital waiting rooms, Metrolink officials accepted responsibility for the worst Southern California train wreck in more than 50 years. "We want to be honest in our appraisal," Metrolink spokeswoman Denise Tyrrell somberly told reporters at the scene. The unusually swift announcement came as the National Transportation Safety Board and other agencies were still gearing up their investigations. Saturday afternoon, the NTSB said it was reserving judgment on the cause of the collision, and a union representing 125,000 rail workers -- though not those who work for Metrolink -- called the assignment of blame "terribly premature." "The signals might not have been working" properly, said Frank N. Wilner of the United Transportation Union, noting that officials had not yet examined the "black box" and other crash-site evidence. "We don't know if there was glare, or if he succumbed to a heart attack or a stroke." The engineer, who died in the crash, had at least 10 years of experience working for Amtrak and more recently a private firm, Veolia Transportation, which has contracted with Metrolink to provide engineers since 2005, officials said. The Simi Valley-bound Metrolink train he drove Friday was carrying 225 passengers when it collided with a Union Pacific freight train descending into the San Fernando Valley. "That is what has caused so much pain," Tyrrell said. "It is your worst fear that this could happen, that the ability for human error to occur could come into the scenario." Friday's crash boosted Metrolink's fatality record to one of the worst in the nation, records show. Beyond the death toll, which continued climbing Saturday, 135 passengers were injured, 40 of them critically, when the freight train's locomotive slammed into the Metrolink engine, driving it back inside the shell of the first seating car. The process of identifying those killed and notifying relatives continued through the day, according to the Los Angeles County coroner's office. By Saturday night, the names of 21 people killed in the crash had been released. And across the county, friends and relatives of the injured waited for news. Alan Buckley's wife and grown children spent hours searching for him Friday night. They knew the 59-year-old mechanic took the train every afternoon from his job in Burbank to his home in Simi Valley. When they didn't find him at the crash site, they called area hospitals. After eight hours, the exhausted family gave up for the night. But Buckley's daughter-in-law was restless. She drove to the crash site at 4 a.m. and finally managed to talk to officials at the makeshift mortuary. They confirmed the family's worst fear: Buckley was dead. Oaks Christian School English teacher Paul Long, 54, died Saturday afternoon at Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center soon after being taken off life support. His wife, Karen, and his son, Devin, who were both injured during the crash, were at the hospital with him. The family had been taking the train home to Moorpark after attending the funeral for Long's mother in South Carolina. As word spread of Long's condition, friends, relatives, students and teachers prayed for him -- at the hospital, in homes throughout Moorpark and even on the football field where the high school team was playing. "We believe in the power of prayer," said Jim Lee, the high school chaplain. "We believe that every prayer is answered. It just might not be answered the way we want." The family of Donna Lynn Remata, 49, who also died in the crash, mourned her Saturday. "My mom was awesome," said her daughter Tiffany "Koga" Remata, 17. "I have no words. I can't describe her." Her mother, who worked for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, had many friends, but Koga said she was still amazed by the calls that poured in to the family's Simi Valley home Saturday expressing condolences. "I was like, 'Wow, Mom. Nice.' " At Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, where eight of the injured were being treated, about 40 friends and relatives gathered in a special waiting room. Dr. Henry Gill Cryer, chief of trauma surgery, said hospital staff had provided pizza for relatives awaiting medical updates. As the aftermath continued to play out, the most pressing question was how the Metrolink engineer could have missed the red signal. KCBS-AM (740) reported Saturday that several teenage train aficionados said they had received a text message from the engineer shortly before the crash. The NTSB said it was treating the report with caution, noting that similar accounts had circulated after a crash in Boston but were found to be inaccurate. "We've heard reports to that effect, but we have nothing to confirm," said NTSB board member Kitty Higgins. The engineer was certified specifically on the L.A.-to-Simi Valley route, his regular assignment, and was familiar with signal locations, officials said. The Union Pacific freight train and the 3:35 p.m. Metrolink train out of Union Station routinely passed each other near Chatsworth. "That is a daily freight train. It's a regular traveler on those tracks," said Francisco Oaxaca, a Metrolink spokesman. He said the spot where the two trains pass can vary, depending on whether the freight train is running early or late. "It was often either waiting in that area or we'd have to pull off and wait for it," said Mike Custodio, 37, an assistant city attorney who rides the 3:35 p.m. train on Fridays. Shortly before the crash, the Metrolink train was stopped on a siding at the Chatsworth station. The red signal, apparently near the point where the commuter train returned to the single, shared track, was believed to be working properly, Tyrrell said. Those signals are controlled from the Metrolink dispatch center in Pomona, where train positions are constantly monitored. The engineer is responsible for checking signals and abiding by them, Oaxaca said. Typically, when an engineer encounters a signal, he radios the train's conductor, who is supposed to radio back confirming the signal's color. It wasn't clear if that procedure was followed Friday. "That's going to be part of our investigation and that's what we're working with the NTSB on," Oaxaca said. L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has asked local clergy to observe a moment of silence during Sunday prayer services to honor the victims of the crash and to pray for their families and the injured. esmeralda.bermudez@ latimes.com kate.linthicum@latimes.com rich.connell@latimes.com Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 22:07:12 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Sep 14 22:03:30 2008. Full acceptance of blame would include acknowledging that its failure to use an enforceable signal system caused this collision and others involving its trains in the past. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 22:13:15 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 22:07:12 2008. No. That is your opinion of what signal system should be used. It may not be cost-effective.The agency accepted blame for the conduct of its employee. That's all there is to it. Whether or not the railroad should adopt what you think is the appropriate signaling system depends on whether or not it is cost-effective and what kind of budget the agency has for acquiring such a system. Perhaps this accident will spur government to appropriate such funds. Your post demonstrates, once again, the difference between a foamer and a professional. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 22:43:51 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 22:13:15 2008. No. That is your opinion of what signal system should be used.That does happen to be my opinion. As it happens, it's also shared by people with common sense and the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). It may not be cost-effective. Yes, by all means, let's accept the cost of hundreds of lives damaged or destroyed for failure to even put in something archaic like a trip system to apply emergency braking and to ensure an adequate signal system. Let's accept the cost not to re-design interlockings to eliminate delays in block. Let's accept the prospect of hundreds of millions of dollars in lawsuits, maybe billions - there were 350-400 passengers, and 6 crewmen - hundreds or thousands of lives destroyed and damaged (because this type of avoidable collision WILL HAPPEN AGAIN AND AGAIN if not avoided). The agency accepted blame for the conduct of its employee. Wonderful - put the blame on dead guy and move on, promising better training in the future. Meanwhile, given the fact that engineers are imperfect, there will be another collision, and it will probably be fatal and horrific. Metrolink is just playing the advance game in the press of making prospective jurors more sympathetic. That's all there is to it. Only if you're a fool. Look at the changes made by NYCT in response to the Williamsburg Bridge collision. They didn't just apologize for the late Mr. Gibson's conduct. They made changes to ensure that the signal system could assure that stop signals were effective at preventing collisions. Metrorail had a fatal collision with BNSF and did not seek to assure that its signal system could assure that stop signals effectively prevented collisions. If you think that a simple apology for the deceased engineer's conduct - which NTSB dismissed as "premature" at the time - suffices, then you are just ignoring reality. Your post demonstrates, once again, the difference between a foamer and a professional. I don't envy your status as a professional moron. |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 22:57:17 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Sep 14 21:22:45 2008. There are many devices that are Bluetooth enabled. Some of them can do texting.ROAR |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 23:02:28 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Sep 14 22:03:30 2008. The unusually swift announcement came as the National Transportation Safety Board and other agencies were still gearing up their investigations. Saturday afternoon, the NTSB said it was reserving judgment on the cause of the collision, and a union representing 125,000 rail workers -- though not those who work for Metrolink -- called the assignment of blame "terribly premature."The were NOT assigning blame. They were accepting responsibility. A different thing altogether. |
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Re: What is Current MTA Policy Regarding Cell Phone Usage by Employees?...Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 09:30:51 2008, in response to What is Current MTA Policy Regarding Cell Phone Usage by Employees?...Re: KTLA CONFIRMS:, posted by heypaul on Sun Sep 14 16:10:23 2008. While on duty? YesI talk to plenty on TA people while they're on duty While operating a train? No |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 09:37:43 2008, in response to Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by aem7ac on Sun Sep 14 18:38:55 2008. RATfink |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Sep 15 10:11:10 2008, in response to Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 14 11:38:11 2008. I could see any railroad employees posting to this board being told to stop being so "buddy-buddy" with civilians.No they can not... Only if it's a safety issue with our operation, which we arent suppose to do anyway being "buddy buddy"... |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Sep 15 11:45:13 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Easy on Sat Sep 13 23:12:28 2008. Why? I don't see the big difference between a cell phone and a radio.But if there is a difference many people are switching to radios that are really "Nextel" type cell/radios. I don't know if that makes a difference one way or the other. You can't use your own brake handle on the job if it wasn't TA issued. Same should goes for your phone or radio. |
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Metrolink spokeswoman resigns |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Sep 15 12:10:28 2008, in response to Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 20:43:55 2008. Metrolink spokeswoman Denise Tyrrell resigned after prematurely asserting that the engineer was at fault.Associated Press, as reported in MassTransit |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Sep 15 12:11:57 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 14 16:10:27 2008. Reminds of my school bus days. I was at the end of the route and the driver often spoke to me. One day, he was too distracted and forgot to pick up the kid at the next stop. |
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Re: Metrolink spokeswoman resigns |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Sep 15 12:46:41 2008, in response to Metrolink spokeswoman resigns, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Sep 15 12:10:28 2008. I was surprised when she gave that statement and wondered if they had authorized her to say that. Or why they would. She defended herself by saying that she was authorized to state the basic facts, but doesn't seem to understand that "basic fact" was still under investigation. |
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Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Sep 15 14:39:59 2008, in response to Re: Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 11:40:06 2008. Who? Sharon Tay, or the blonde who was reporting from the scene? |
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Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Sep 15 14:44:21 2008, in response to Re: KTLA CONFIRMS: somehow this is Sarah Palin's fault, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 17:26:09 2008. Leave the OTChat shit in OTChat |
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Railfan father on LA radio show (Re: Metrolink engineer texting...) |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Sep 16 22:08:21 2008, in response to Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 20:43:55 2008. So the father of the railfan texter Nick was on the John and Ken radio show and came across as a little clueless. His theory was that information seemed to be leaning towards texting NOT causing the accident and that it looks like it was a medical condition. When the hosts asks how he came to that conclusion he said that if there was evidence that the engineer texted on a regular basis (with no accidents) that would rule out texting being the cause and would (somehow) indicate that the engineer had a medical condition. A very large leap in logic IMO.Reading between the lines I gather that his son and his friends must have frequently texted Robert Sanchez. He also indicated that his son and friends (all 15-16) would regularly ride the trains around LA shooting videos and taking pictures. They met Sanchez one day at Union Station. Even though they were always in a group I think that 15 is too young for suburban kids to be tooling around LA, but that's a different story and they aren't my kids. |
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Re: Railfan father on LA radio show (Re: Metrolink engineer texting...) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B train on Tue Sep 16 22:34:28 2008, in response to Railfan father on LA radio show (Re: Metrolink engineer texting...), posted by Easy on Tue Sep 16 22:08:21 2008. issue 1 NO extraneous communication or electronic entertainmentissue 2 whether they were involved is to me irrelevant because HE was employed, they are just spectators issue 3 I started exploring CTA the summer I turned 11 |
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Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with... |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Sep 16 23:41:36 2008, in response to Re: It doesn't matter who the engineer was texting with..., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 14 11:58:36 2008. OOOOO!Lion goes to the DARK SIDE!!!! Jimmymc25 |
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Metrolink engineer allowed railfans in the cab |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 28 20:30:02 2009, in response to Metrolink engineer texting with railfans, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 20:43:55 2008. According to numerous sources including the LA Times. It seems to me that he was very involved with these young boys. I'll just leave it at that for now.
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Re: Metrolink engineer allowed railfans in the cab |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Sat Feb 28 20:40:49 2009, in response to Metrolink engineer allowed railfans in the cab, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 28 20:30:02 2009. Wonderful. It just keeps getting worse and worse for the guy. |
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Re: Metrolink engineer allowed railfans in the cab |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Feb 28 20:56:52 2009, in response to Re: Metrolink engineer allowed railfans in the cab, posted by NJCL2308 on Sat Feb 28 20:40:49 2009. It's pretty clear he screwed up royally. It's also becoming clear that it was dumb luck he didn't crash on an earlier trip.He's dead, so he can't learn any lessons and he paid the ultimate penalty for his incompetence and negligence. But other engineers can learn the lesson. |
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Re: Metrolink engineer allowed railfans in the cab |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Sat Feb 28 20:58:01 2009, in response to Re: Metrolink engineer allowed railfans in the cab, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Feb 28 20:56:52 2009. Too true, unfortunately.He is fast becoming the Ricky Gates of this decade. |
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Re: Metrolink engineer allowed railfans in the cab |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Feb 28 21:12:02 2009, in response to Re: Metrolink engineer allowed railfans in the cab, posted by NJCL2308 on Sat Feb 28 20:58:01 2009. True, but Gates got to be somebody's "love buddy" for 8 years, Sanchez got his punishment/reward from the Big Guy upstairs. |
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Re: Metrolink engineer allowed railfans in the cab |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 28 21:13:03 2009, in response to Re: Metrolink engineer allowed railfans in the cab, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Feb 28 20:56:52 2009. Not just engineers, but other RR employees including RR management. His behavior was reported to management by other employees and they evidently took no action. |
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Metrolink allowed teenage railfans to operate controls...and more |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Mar 5 21:17:22 2009, in response to Metrolink engineer allowed railfans in the cab, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 28 20:30:02 2009. Metrolink engineer let railfans control train. Does anyone NOT think that the engineer had an ulterior motive for allowing teenage boys into his cab?Also, Metrolink fires two top Connex supervisors And finally in case everyone missed it the UP engineer tested positive for marijuana after the crash. |
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Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Thu Mar 5 21:31:44 2009, in response to Metrolink allowed teenage railfans to operate controls...and more, posted by Easy on Thu Mar 5 21:17:22 2009. If this was the MTA, he would of had his ass handed to him. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 5 22:15:01 2009, in response to Metrolink allowed teenage railfans to operate controls...and more, posted by Easy on Thu Mar 5 21:17:22 2009. The teens wanted to ride a locomotive.The engineer want to ride the teens. I have read the entire text message transcript. It is right out of an XXX rated movie. It is also right out of the abuse prevention handbook. ROAR |
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Re: Metrolink Engineer Sanchez committed negligent homicide |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 6 01:24:00 2009, in response to Metrolink allowed teenage railfans to operate controls...and more, posted by Easy on Thu Mar 5 21:17:22 2009. Pure and simple.He ignored repeated instructions by superiors; ignored multiple basic safety rulesallowed teens to operate his train, paid more attention to his cellphone than the signals and track; blew past a red light without any thought, and killed 25 people, injuring many more. I'm glad they fired the Connex managers. If I allowed somebody like Sanchez to do what he did on my watch, I'd probably want to jump off a roof. They had plenty of warning that this doofus should not have been operating a train. The bullshit statement issued by Connex as to how wonderful Sanchez was, was motivated solely to try to stave off a lawsuit against Connex. Well, it's over. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Fri Mar 6 03:12:07 2009, in response to Re: Metrolink allowed teenage railfans to operate controls...and more, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 5 22:15:01 2009. You must have a glandular problem. There is nothinginappropriate in those transcripts. If you had bothered to read the entire report, instead of fantasizing, you'd see that it documents a pattern of distraction in the cab, conversring not only with these kids, but discussing union politics with a co-worker. I suspect the problem of cell phone, text message, MP3 player and other electronic distraction abuse is widespread. It certainly is in most other segments of our society. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 6 09:54:36 2009, in response to Re: Metrolink allowed teenage railfans to operate controls...and more, posted by Jeff H. on Fri Mar 6 03:12:07 2009. No fantasy required. It is as plain as day what the engineer wanted to do. It is not a glandular problem as you suggest, but rather having been educated in ways to prevent such people as entering the monastery or priesthood, we have been instructed by professionals on what sort of behaviors to look for. The engineer's correspondence fits this profile to a T.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 6 09:57:58 2009, in response to Metrolink allowed teenage railfans to operate controls...and more, posted by Easy on Thu Mar 5 21:17:22 2009. And finally in case everyone missed it the UP engineer tested positive for marijuana after the crash.Wrong. The engineer and brakeman were clean, it was the conductor who tested positive. IIRC, the conductor was not part of the regular crew for this train, this crew had been together for some time, and the regular conductor was out sick (or a personal day or something) and a Burbank conductor was filling in. I downloaded almost all of the paper work, but it is upstairs at the moment. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 6 09:58:48 2009, in response to Re: Metrolink Engineer Sanchez committed negligent homicide, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 6 01:24:00 2009. Well, it's over.Hardly. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 6 11:28:57 2009, in response to Re: Metrolink Engineer Sanchez committed negligent homicide, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 6 09:58:48 2009. You're right. It's over for Sanchez; it's not over for the families and the railroad. |
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