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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 12 23:48:36 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 12 23:45:37 2008. Ah okay...I stand corrected. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 12 23:48:51 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 12 23:29:20 2008. It wouldn't be a problem with the interlocking, the problem would exist between the chair and controller. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 12 23:51:29 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 12 23:42:03 2008. Maybe the anticlimber failed, you think?ROAR |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 23:51:52 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 23:45:03 2008. Then why don't you refrain from discussing the matter further until you read the report and can tell us how many people NTSB figures would probably have died assuming that the Amtrak train had been fully loaded? Thanks. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Fri Sep 12 23:52:20 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 12 23:47:21 2008. The design was Canadian. GO Transit had Hawker Siddeley make the first cars in the design. It later passed on to UTDC, CC&F, and eventually BBD. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 23:52:55 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 12 23:51:29 2008. I don't even think they have anticlimbers.
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Sep 12 23:55:35 2008, in response to **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:01:24 2008. If the F59 was the first car in the metrolink train, how did the gasoline tanks hold up? IIRC the crash with the MARC and amtrak train a few years ago the F40's had an design flaw with the gas tanks casuing it to blow up. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 23:56:12 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 12 23:45:37 2008. If the engineer is a drug addict and/or suicidal, obviously stronger measures are required. But of course engineers shouldn't be drug addicts and/or suicidal. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Sep 12 23:59:03 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:03:50 2008. Right, CSX trains in California don't use imaginary signals. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 12 23:59:08 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 12 23:48:51 2008. True, but with a proper interlocking system the plant would not have let him pull the levers. That *is* what interlocking is all about.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 13 00:00:42 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 23:52:55 2008. Your sarcasm detector is in need of calibration.ROAR |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Sep 13 00:03:07 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 22:52:47 2008. In a truly horrific situation, it won't really matter. When you put rolling soda cans on high speed/frieght lines, this is what you get. Ever wonder why Europe almost never mixes frieght and high-speed passenger? Even NYCT makes their cars like rolling tanks. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:03:07 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:52:21 2008. Why should today be different from any other day? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:06:09 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:37:42 2008. Let's assume both trains were traveling at MAS...so, I believe someone had posted that it's 40mph territory, so an 80mph impact. What's the requirement for collision protection? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 13 00:06:53 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:52:21 2008. My brain is chitboxing. I gotta go to sleep soonAnother breakthrough. And a small miracle. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:08:42 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 22:21:14 2008. USAR...urban search and rescue. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Sep 13 00:08:54 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 21:42:04 2008. Plus it was severely damaged (if not destroyed) by fire.I wonder if the black boxes survived the fire, if they were in the engine. wayne |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 00:09:08 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Ken S. on Fri Sep 12 23:52:20 2008. The design was Canadian. GO Transit had Hawker Siddeley make the first cars in the design. It later passed on to UTDC, CC&F, and eventually BBD.Alright, one shouldn't buy 1960's British Leyland era designed stock that was later updated by the French. Oh, Metrolink is run by Connex, which now operates as Veolia Transportation, which in turn, you guessed it, is a French company. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Sep 13 00:09:29 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Ken S. on Fri Sep 12 23:52:20 2008. French-Canadian? :0)Both pussy nations thou... |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Sat Sep 13 00:10:36 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 13 00:06:53 2008. But he didn't leave...no matter how many pleaded. He ignored every one.... |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Sep 13 00:11:43 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 12 23:48:51 2008. I believe he is talking about the old school switches we saw at South Norwalk... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 13 00:12:45 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 12 23:47:21 2008. This is the second time these Bomber coaches have failed to live up to impactsIf you can cite any particular "successes", let's hear them. Pullman Standard Comets, PRR P54s, Amtrak at Chase MD . . . where's the successes? Don't get all JournalSquare-K-Car on us, now. |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Sat Sep 13 00:13:14 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Sep 13 00:08:54 2008. Black boxes survive like they do on airplanes. I have a friend who is high up in mainline railroad supervision and he can download black boxes anywhere in the country from his lap top.David |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 13 00:15:16 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:48:41 2008. Yup, and I've seen UP locomotives in the Lehigh Valley. But there's no mistaking the operator. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Sep 13 00:15:16 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 13 00:00:42 2008. At least for this one, that's true. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:17:10 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 22:56:38 2008. Ahem. Just run trains WITHOUT first and last cars. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 00:19:07 2008, in response to **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:01:24 2008. If you go and look at the wreck site here, its pretty clear what happened. The wreck happened on a portion of single track territory needed to go through some tunnels. It's about 1/4 mile past the end of double track territory on a sharp curve. The Metrolink had just entered the single track territory. In this situation the most likely cause is that the Metrolink engineer was expecting a clear signal at the entrance to the single track line, however an opposing freight train had been given the line instead. Basically the dispatcher fucked up and caused the Metrolink to be hit by a Stop signal, however this was such an out of the ordinary occurrence the Metrolink Engineer just saw what he was accustomed to seeing and blew through the interlocking as if it was clear.Even if this line had ATS it would not have changed anything because both Approach Diverging and Diverging Clear would have set off the ATS alerter. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:20:25 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 23:13:26 2008. If you look, you'll see the frame held up quite well, allowing the locomitive to ride up and over the floor of the car. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:21:09 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 23:00:13 2008. Good luck in your future endevours. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:25:52 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 00:09:08 2008. CANADIANS! |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Sep 13 00:28:14 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:25:52 2008. CANADIENS! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 00:29:10 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Sep 12 23:55:35 2008. The Silver Spring collision happened at about 40 mph, as I recall it. The MARC II cab car ruptured the fuel tank on the AMTK F40PH, and the MARC II car had a good chunk immediately torn away and then covered in diesel fuel which was ignited and burned. One hopes that those on the MARC train doused with the fuel mercifully lapsed into unconsciousness before they were burned and choked to death. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Sep 13 00:30:56 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 23:32:55 2008. The head car in the Chase MD collision was a diner - AmCafe Car 20029 - basically run-over and crushed by Amfleet I coaches 21236 and 21038. Fortunately, it was unoccupied. The death toll would have been MUCH higher had the two forward coaches had their normal complement of passengers.wayne |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 00:34:36 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Sep 13 00:30:56 2008. As I recall, had the Amtrak train carried a normal complement of passengers, the fatality number alone would have run into triple digits, or so that was the impression given by the report, which I have little reason to doubt. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Sep 13 00:35:07 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Sat Sep 13 00:28:14 2008. Eh?\\\\ |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:35:27 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 12 23:23:16 2008. Locomotive, yes; but the operator STILL wouldn't be CSX. And the tracks still wouldn't belong to CSX. JSKC just decided that it must be one of his favorite whipping boys. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:42:35 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 21:42:04 2008. Yep, we can see each and every detail of the impact from the long-distance photos posted on the internet. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:45:14 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 00:34:36 2008. What was the last North American incident that resulted in a death count over 100? |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 00:46:41 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 12 23:59:08 2008. It didn't, the train passed a Stop signal and trailed through a switch set against it. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 00:48:39 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 23:52:55 2008. Even if they did, they don't always do any good. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 00:49:13 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 00:19:07 2008. At least parts of Metrolink territory had an ATS system inherited from ATSF, which enabled 90 mph operation, but that system was removed during an overhaul, and apparently the plan in the 1990s was that Metrolink would install cab signals, something that they never got around to doing. Reportedly, appropriate track circuits were installed in some places that would enable cab signals to work, but nothing else came of it. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 00:49:28 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:25:52 2008. French Canadians are not Canadians...they're French. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 00:53:17 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:45:14 2008. On the rails, just as a matter of trivia, there was an incident in Nashville, TN in 1916 or so that killed 100+ people, but I don't know the details, and as it's bedtime, I'll check on it tomorrow or hopefully some intrepid soul - hint, hint! - will do the work for me. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 13 00:59:28 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Sep 13 00:03:07 2008. "Rolling tanks" would end up in the same mess. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 13 01:00:13 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Sat Sep 13 00:10:36 2008. He's starting to talk slightly normally. Wonder what's causing it? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 13 01:19:29 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 12 23:44:34 2008. 'course ATS would pevent freight collisions like recent asleep at the ...too. ATS/cab signals on ALL signalled mainlines w/ passenger trains or not. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 13 01:21:44 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Fri Sep 12 23:17:18 2008. CSX no and IINM even scrapped the cab signals on the RF&P Snow the bean counter! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 13 06:54:32 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 22:51:20 2008. I don't understand why push/pull is a "controversy" at all. The LIRR has done push/pull for as far back as I can remember. There have been several accidents at grade involving LIRR trains in push mode. The one that stands out in my memory is a horrific incident at Herricks Road in 1982. A van full of teenagers high on God Knows What was struck by an FA, with predictable results for the kids. But unlike the LA incident in which a suicidal person parked his Jeep on the tracks, there was no derailment, and the only fatalities in the 1982 incident were the kids in the van.God rest the unfortunate victims of yesterday's accident, and watch over those who were injured. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 13 07:11:32 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 13 06:54:32 2008. The telescoping occurred because the Metrolink train struck a much heavier freight train, essentially pushing the loco straight back into the car behind it. I am surprised to see, as Port Authority has posted, that the Metrolink cars do not appear to be equpiied with anticlimbers, which I imagined to be de rigeur for passenger cars.I am wondering how the Metrolink train could have entered this block, because (as others have posted) it would have trailed a switch set against it to do so. I think the investigation will focus on these points: Which train had authority to occupy the block where the accident occurred? How were the signals and switches set? Did either engineer disregard the signals and/or authority given him? Did either engineer suffer illness or injury immediately prior to impact? Is the data from the event recorders readable, and what will it reveal? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 07:44:31 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 00:49:28 2008. They are from Canada, not France, therefor, Canadians. |
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