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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Sep 12 21:43:53 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:14:18 2008. 
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 21:45:34 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 21:35:48 2008. THAT ISN"T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 21:46:44 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by mkeit on Fri Sep 12 21:42:22 2008. Maybe= SIGNAL SYSTEM ERROR? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 12 21:47:40 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:48:41 2008. Most freight organizations have run-through operations. UP locomotives show up on CSX, and CSX locomotives undoubtedly show up on UP routes. Like there used to be pool cabooses, so also there are pool locomotives.Beyond that, they do lease each others locomotives, they also loan them, or sell them in trade and could be a lease unit that had not been painted into the lease company's colors yet, but in that case you would see the call letters and numbers painted over (but not necessarily the "billboard" display of the original owner's scheme. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 12 21:50:17 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 21:45:34 2008. Did no one tell you: "Shit Happens."Why? NTSB will give you a full report in about two years. ROAR |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Sep 12 21:51:42 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 12 21:47:40 2008. But mistaking UP for CSX, when as close as CSX comes to the state of California is Kansas? Inexcusable. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 21:51:59 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 12 21:47:40 2008. Thanks for the info.What's the freight near you? UP or BNSF? Wait nevermind. I remember that you signed up for the BNSF terrorist/railfan registry. ;) |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 21:53:52 2008, in response to **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:01:24 2008. There was a lot of info over on the TrainOrders. The UP train was headed by two SD70Ms and had been on the single track for a long period of time. The track is dispatched by Metrolink. Speed limit is 40 MPH both directions. Posters there feel the Metrollink train left two track territory...siding and main... and entered the single track and collision occurred.David |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 21:55:45 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Sep 12 21:35:27 2008. Alas, correct. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 12 21:56:17 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 21:46:44 2008. What? You think there were signals on that section of track. That is not a given. There may not be.ROAR |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 21:56:25 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 21:53:52 2008. According to the local news half of the UP cars are still inside the single track tunnel. It certainly appears that the Metrolink train was in error, but who knows what the crew was told or what signals they had? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 22:02:11 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 21:04:06 2008. Those first two weren't Metrolink's fault. (Those were with Amtrak as operator.) This one looks like it's on Metrolink (with |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 22:02:41 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Sep 12 21:38:03 2008. I'm no expert, but human error and the signal system are looking like suspects; moreso the former.NTSB will definitely be looking into this, I agree. If it does turn out to be human error attributable to one or more of the engineers, that would militate heavily in favor of an ATC system. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:03:50 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 12 21:56:17 2008. But if there are NO signals, then isn't the rule of operation changed to provide the maximum speed based on the maximum stopping distance?And there ARE signals on that track, the Metrolink train merged onto a single track, and I think there is a "home signal" there. And it turns out metrolink has NO signalling WITHIN the trains themselves. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 22:05:36 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:45:08 2008. I am an idiot nowOne can hope that this is a breakthrough . . . |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 22:06:17 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 22:02:41 2008. Now that I've looked up the definition of militate I have to agree. |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 22:08:16 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:03:50 2008. When idiots have verified that the are an IDIOT they should cease posting in that topic and go on to something else, hoping we'll forget. Stop reminding.... |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Sep 12 22:09:59 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 21:55:45 2008. It makes you wonder about the structural integrity of Metrolink's bilevels.My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 22:21:14 2008, in response to **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:01:24 2008. Channel 2 reports that the LASD has dispatched some team (I can't recall the name) that is used for body recovery in catastrophes. The speculation is that there may be many more bodies.Channel 7 is reporting that accidents were higher than they might have been because Metrolink trains don't have seat belts. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 22:25:18 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 22:21:14 2008. Channel 7 is reporting that accidents were higher than they might have been because Metrolink trains don't have seat belts.Seat belts....those certainly come in handy when the locomotive pulling your train runs into your chest at 50+ mph...... It's a PM Peak train on a Friday and there was telescoping and perhaps a fuel fire - pray for the best, but I doubt that anyone has high expectations, particularly in the head car. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 22:28:06 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 22:25:18 2008. Also, since many of the survivors are reportedly in critical condition, their prospects are not altogether bright. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Fri Sep 12 22:28:07 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:45:08 2008. You are also a moron and this is Moron-Free TV, stop watching. |
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Posted by 600VDC on Fri Sep 12 22:36:41 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 12 20:05:55 2008. I've been watching continuous coverage on KTLA, ch 5, in LA, on my satellite dish for the last hour. (Dish Network channel 232). They are now saying it is confirmed 7 people are dead, and 40 injured. It appears the toll will be much higher.The commuter train was Metrolink #111, which collided head on with a Union Pacific Freight. The freight loco is clearly visible on its side. The passenger loco appears to have telescoped about halfway down the length of the first passenger car. Reporters at the scene are saying that rescue people are estimating 350 people were on the passenger train. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:37:42 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Sep 12 22:09:59 2008. This isn't the first wreck where they folded up. And these aren't the only multilevels to fold up. There was an accident once where a 1930s Pullman MU RIPPED INTO a new bi-level, And that pullman didn't even look damaged.Sure, they look big and tough, but these cars are basicall just sheet metal- NO FRAMES. Collision posts mounted to sheet metal= TELESCOPE. Even the Amfleets that were involved in the cape may wreck didn't shred open like that, I think, and that ws at HIGHER speeds. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Sep 12 22:39:42 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 20:26:16 2008. We all ask that same question every time he posts. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Fri Sep 12 22:43:06 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:37:42 2008. Are you talking about the Chase, MD wreck when you mention the Amfleets? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 22:43:17 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by 600VDC on Fri Sep 12 22:36:41 2008. Now at least 15 dead according to the LA Mayor. The cadaver dogs are being called in. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 22:43:38 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:37:42 2008. Here we go again.There was an accident once where a 1930s Pullman MU RIPPED INTO a new bi-level, And that pullman didn't even look damaged. Source? |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Sep 12 22:44:35 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:03:50 2008. Please, Please, PLEASE STFU already! |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 22:45:15 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 22:43:17 2008. This is bad. The Glendale train wreck in 2005 only claimed 11; this is the worst disaster in Metrolink history. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 12 22:45:29 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 21:06:47 2008. That just might happen as a result of lawsuits against both Union Pacifc and Veolia...and I'm tempted to say the person to blame is the Veolia E/R. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 12 22:47:15 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 20:35:38 2008. How is push pulling a controversy? Every passenger railroad does it...even Amtrak. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 22:47:16 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 22:45:15 2008. And at least 100 injured according to KCBS channel 2.LAPD now saying up to 20 killed. |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 22:47:37 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 22:43:38 2008. K-Car just babbles on and on and on and on.....Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 22:43:38 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:37:42 2008. Here we go again. There was an accident once where a 1930s Pullman MU RIPPED INTO a new bi-level, And that pullman didn't even look damaged. Source? I know the who what and where and why but I wouldn't tell him...he's an IDIOT. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 12 22:48:26 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 22:21:14 2008. On the national news, I am hearing possibly 10 dead. You can bet that Union Pacific is going to get sued because it didn't enforce train speed...this kind of accident is unlikely to happen in the Northeast. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:48:45 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 22:47:37 2008. NOPE. The source is the conndot library, go check it out yourself... |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:48:59 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Ken S. on Fri Sep 12 22:43:06 2008. Yes. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Fri Sep 12 22:51:18 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:48:59 2008. Then why did you say Cape May? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 22:51:20 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 12 22:47:15 2008. We had a bunch of "experts" on the news after the last crash. They all said that there are more injuries when there are accidents when the train is pushed versus when pulled. They called the lead car a "coffin car." |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:52:21 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Ken S. on Fri Sep 12 22:51:18 2008. Ahh, DANG. My brain is chitboxing. I gotta go to sleep soon. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Sep 12 22:52:35 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 22:47:37 2008. It was a 1926, weighing in at 65 tonnes and travelling ~47 mph.=w= |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 22:52:47 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 12 22:47:15 2008. Push-pull operation is a sensitive topic for Metrolink. Many argue that Metrolink's Glendale disaster in 2005 was made worse by the fact that that train had been operating in push mode at the time of the accident -- they claim that had the heavier locomotive been pulling the train, it wouldn't have jackknifed and caused the second train to derail.This, of course, is a moot point now -- as the Chatsworth train was being pulled by a F59PH. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Fri Sep 12 22:53:14 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:52:21 2008. Please do, right now. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Fri Sep 12 22:54:52 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:48:45 2008. What does Connecticut DOT have to do with Bi-Levels? The wreck in question happened in Illinois. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:55:20 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Ken S. on Fri Sep 12 22:51:18 2008. However, Amfleets were built by BUDD. And I REMEMBER that once when I was in cape may, I rode BUDDs. I rode TWO RDCs... One under its own power, one hauled by a loco(GEEP9!!!)...and I remember it was posted here that they are being sold for 24,000 dollars, I think, each, or 124,000 dollars.But they don't build quality railcars like that anymore. That is why I am ANGRY that the MTA CRIME ADMINISTRATION is reefing THE BEST CARS now: THE BUDDS. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 22:55:46 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:55:20 2008. Can we get back to the original subject now, please? |
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Posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Fri Sep 12 22:55:55 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 21:56:25 2008. That's a question that's going to have to be posed to the dispatchers over that stretch of track. They are the ones that are supposed to give the "all clear" to trains (be it freight or pax) - a role that takes on even more critical importance when you're on single track operation. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 22:56:38 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 22:52:47 2008. In this case you get in the passenger car behind the loco and you are seriously injured or dead. You get in any of the other cars and you walk away. Some injured, but many without a scratch. Weird. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Sep 12 22:56:48 2008, in response to **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:01:24 2008. I am sorry to be reporting this: DT=15 and likely to climb, judging by the severe telescoping.Click here |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 22:56:54 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Ken S. on Fri Sep 12 22:54:52 2008. I meant to say the general DOT library. |
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