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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 27 23:15:41 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Nov 27 22:26:10 2007. The place is a wreck. Low ridership or not, it needs to be fixed up. If let go any further, some of the decay could become even a safety hazard! If they are going to keep it open, they can't let it deteriorate further, fix up or close! And I don't think close is an option, so.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 27 23:16:03 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Nov 27 22:39:35 2007. It is..... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Nov 27 23:17:12 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Nov 27 23:09:43 2007. That's a defensible position, though I figure since they're doing structural work, they say let's do the station rehab too. But I'll agree with your point that they don't need full windscreen/shelters. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 27 23:18:43 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 27 23:16:03 2007. Well, to add, it's the lowest use REAL station in the system. Aqueduct is the actual lowest, but it's only open when there are races at the racetrack....By the way, Baach 105th Seaside is the lowest in the system, but also Queens. -St Mary's on the Pelham is the lowest use station in the Bronx -Atlantic Ave on the L is the lowest use station in Brooklyn -and Bowery is the lowest use station in Manhattan. (disclaimer, this is as of 2004, the last year I have stats for, but I assume that is still the case). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 27 23:20:13 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 27 22:44:19 2007. Aqueduct is only open on race days. It's not a "real" station. Beach 105th is a real station..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 27 23:21:03 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 27 23:03:41 2007. As bad as it is now, it still looks better than the 90's!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 27 23:22:52 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 27 23:04:57 2007. Hey, I just typed basically the same thing! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 27 23:25:02 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Nov 27 23:09:43 2007. Even though it's the lowest use, it's still 82,000 fares collected at that station. If all the others on the line are going to be done, there's no reason not to do that one. It can't be left to completely fall off the viaduct. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Nov 27 23:27:36 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 27 23:25:02 2007. Unless it were to be shut down... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 00:04:22 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Nov 27 23:27:36 2007. But they aren't shutting it down, and really, there's no reason to shut it down. If they did, than the 2nd lowest station would be the "lowest use station", and then what? Not repair that one either? Shut that one down? Then what happens, the third lowest station is the least used. WHat should they do then? Not repair it? Shut it down?....and so forth.... |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Nov 28 00:05:55 2007, in response to Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Fri Nov 23 15:47:31 2007. It's about time. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Nov 28 00:11:59 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 00:04:22 2007. For a station that gets only gets 82,000 riders a year. I'm saying why keep it open and why not just have the other stations closest to it like 98th and 116th pick up the slack from 105th. I only said one station. I never said anything about closing other stations.The next station would've been Broad Channel that would've been the lowest used. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Nov 28 00:13:09 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 27 23:18:43 2007. I think I have one from 2003, but pretty much I think the general data of the lowest used stations would still be the same. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 00:14:42 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Nov 28 00:11:59 2007. Broad Channel is a busy station because it's a transfer point with the Far Rockaway A and the Rockaway Park Shuttle trains. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Nov 28 00:16:57 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 27 23:04:57 2007. Then I say close it and let riders take a bus [w/free transfers] to the nearest stops at B.116th or B.98th. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 00:18:17 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Nov 28 00:13:09 2007. I have a chart showing the individual stations from a fare evasion survey in 1991. The number of unpaid fares can be somewhat subjective depending on who's doing the counting. But I've always considered the number of paid fares to have been accurate. And the majority of figures probably haven't changed much in the last 16 years. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 00:19:17 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Nov 28 00:16:57 2007. What's the price of gas again? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 28 00:19:50 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Nov 28 00:16:57 2007. And I say don't close it. Buses are awful. There's nothing wrong with the current setup. Don't fix what isn't broken. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 00:39:51 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 00:14:42 2007. Not to mention it's the only practical way using mass transit to get to the national park down there. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 28 00:47:26 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 00:39:51 2007. Not to mention it's the only practical way using mass transit to get to the national park down there.Incorrect, the Q53 and the infrequent Q21 let you off in front of Jamaica Bay. There is less walking. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 00:53:45 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 28 00:47:26 2007. Sorry, bus services alone are not a practical way to get down there. The only truly practical service is the A train.You can take all day to get to the parkif you want; Iwant to get there with enough time to enjoy the day. And I don't want to get up at 5AM to do it. Buses don't count here. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 28 01:06:11 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 00:53:45 2007. Sure they do.Have you heard of Rockaway Blvd station? You take the A there There, you transfer to the Q53 bus. Get a clue, it's past your bedtime. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 01:09:39 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 28 01:06:11 2007. No, I don't transfer to the Q53. I don't trust the Q53. I get down to Broad Channel and then I walk.Bus is disqualified. And you are way past your bedtime! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 01:09:48 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 28 01:06:11 2007. No, I don't transfer to the Q53. I don't trust the Q53. I get down to Broad Channel and then I walk.Bus is disqualified. And you are way past your bedtime! |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Nov 28 01:10:42 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 00:14:42 2007. As a transfer station yes, but otherwise not many ppl uses that station from the outside. It is at least the 2nd lowest among the stations opened at least everyday of the year. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 28 06:34:14 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 00:53:45 2007. I agree. If you are not gonna take a train then you might as well drive there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 07:22:50 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 00:18:17 2007. We are not saying the stats are not accurate, just speculating that they don't change all that much from year to year for what stations will be the lowest. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 07:28:00 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 28 00:19:50 2007. DOn't fix what isn't broken....aside from the station. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 07:29:06 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 28 00:47:26 2007. But buses suck. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 07:30:07 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 28 01:06:11 2007. Get off the A train and then take a bus from Rockaway Blvd? Oh the horror!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 28 07:41:09 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 07:29:06 2007. Of course. But David was 100% correct and Ron is 100% wrong. If there is an existing frequent bus to the location that cuts out significant walking, then that IS a practical way to get there, even if buses DO SUCK. I ride a bus every morning and every evening to and from the subway. It is VERY practical. But it sucks immensely. |
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Posted by Fytton on Wed Nov 28 07:47:26 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 27 22:31:18 2007. 'It should get a full renovation. Doesn't have to be anything fancy.'If it is so little used, why not just give it the minimum needed to make it safe? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 28 07:51:26 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Fytton on Wed Nov 28 07:47:26 2007. Because the minimum needed to make it safe could mean leaving crappy, paint peeling windscreens up and leaving up a roof with holes in it. The people who use that station do not deserve that. They deserve the roof to be patched and they deserve a station of nice appearance. They don't need fancy stained glass installations and mosaics and all that stuff. Just put up the cheapest materials in the catalog of acceptable materials. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 07:54:11 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Fytton on Wed Nov 28 07:47:26 2007. The Wood in the walls is rotting, the roof has holes in it, and the place is falling apart. It hasn't been maintained properly for decades because it's low use, you have to draw the line somewhere when it gets to fall in complete shambles, low use or not.82,000 people still use that station, and you can't have a station where the walls are falling apart and the ceiling caving in. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 07:55:43 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 01:09:48 2007. You walk from Broad Channel to Beach 105th Street? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 08:02:03 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Fytton on Wed Nov 28 07:47:26 2007. 
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Nov 28 08:02:25 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 07:54:11 2007. I think the proper route would be to replace essential items with decent quality, but to eliminate non-essential items. E.g., a full length windscreen and roof can be cut back to a length of a little less than 300', and things like that. |
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Posted by MJF on Wed Nov 28 08:07:20 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 00:39:51 2007. Which park? Are you referring to the Jamaica Bay Wilife Preserve or Riis Park? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 08:27:59 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Nov 28 08:02:25 2007. It doesn't have much of a windscreen to begin with. Most of the station is just railing. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Nov 28 10:25:12 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 27 22:02:43 2007. I wonder why the Rockaways only have one bus route that travels along it all the way from the Rockaway Park area to the Far Rockaway area, unless the Q22 doesn't get that much ridership or another service isn't needed. I wonder how a Beach Channel Drive bus would do out there.Most trips begin or end at Beach 116th Street. There aren't many Q22 boardings west of Beach 116th Street, and the peninsula west of Cross Bay Boulevard is also served by the Q21, Q35, and Q53. There isn't a need for another cross-peninsula route. See the NYCDOT Bus Ridership Survey and Route Analysis Appendix B: Route Profiles, pages 158-159. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 10:55:35 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 00:53:45 2007. I worked a summer job thre once.You can walk it from the train station to the park. But it's a loooonnnnng walk. The Q53 and Q21 stop in front. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 10:57:19 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 07:55:43 2007. The park is on Broad Channel Island a little north of the subway station there. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 10:58:32 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 07:30:07 2007. The bus is not so bad.It leaves you off in front of the park. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 11:06:29 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 28 07:41:09 2007. If there is an existing frequent bus to the location that cuts out significant walking, then that IS a practical way to get there.Don't take this the wrong way But I have to agree with you that David was 100% correct and Ron is 100% wrong. There are 2 buses that stop in front. Q53 and Q21. even if buses DO SUCK. No arguement on that. Like I said elsewhere on this thread I worked there one summer when I was in college. The train requires a good walk from station to park. Not bad on a sunny morning. But a pain when the weather's bad. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 11:11:03 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Nov 28 01:10:42 2007. There are not that many people who use the station as an entry point.But for all the people that use the stations in the Rockaways, they have to pass thru Broad Channel. If they are transfering to/from the A or S trains, the agent working there sees a crowd. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 11:16:02 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 07:22:50 2007. I'm not stating the stats were accurate.Just the number of paid fares were more honest as opposed to the number of unpaid fares. At best it gave me an idea how busy some booths were. I suspect that would be more or less correct today. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 11:35:00 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 28 07:55:43 2007. No. Broad Channel to Jamaica Bay National Wildlife Refuge. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 11:52:07 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 10:58:32 2007. The bus stop's location is very good.But for purposes of this thread, disqualified.... |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 28 12:30:07 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 28 11:52:07 2007. If you want to walk from Broad Channel Subway Station,Go ahead. Let us know what you think about the walk or what's it's like in bad weather. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 28 16:57:23 2007, in response to Re: Rockaway Train Stations To Get Overhaul, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Nov 27 23:14:31 2007. I see, thank you. |
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