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Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal |
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Posted by KarmaConditionedCar on Tue Nov 6 11:42:45 2007, in response to Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by KarmaConditionedCar on Tue Nov 6 11:33:23 2007. Conflicting reports, aboard this M train that hit the bumper. WNYC report had this occuring at 10:55. 880 WCBS Reporter Rich Lamb is in the station, and he says it's not as bad as originally reported. Driver did hit the bumper, and he's requesting medical aid, no one else reported hurt.- KarmaConditionedCar A Cannibal in a former life. |
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Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal |
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Posted by Andy on Tue Nov 6 12:17:05 2007, in response to Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by KarmaConditionedCar on Tue Nov 6 11:33:23 2007. From WCBS Newsradio 88 website:"New York City transit officials say a subway train has hit a bumper block at a downtown Manhattan station. The M train, headed from Brooklyn, struck the block at the end of the line at the Chambers Street station. "Fire Battalion Chief Robert Norcross says there were no passengers aboard the train. He says the motorman was slightly injured. "Norcross said it appeared least one car of the train may have gone off the tracks about 75 feet from the station. Authorities at the scene said power was shut off so the problem could be fixed. "NYC Transit spokesman Charles Seaton said the accident happened at about 10:55 a.m. Tuesday." Thank goodness no serious injuries. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Nov 6 13:38:06 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Andy on Tue Nov 6 12:17:05 2007. Isn't the bumper block further down the line than 75 feet? That would mean that one of the other cars may have derailed on the S curve. In any case, thankfully the injuries weren't severe and the damage not as bad as originally feared. When I first heard of the incident, I thought there might have been a structural problem down there, with the station in such a decrepit condition.Moe - watch where you go!!! -w- |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 6 16:16:02 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Nov 6 13:38:06 2007. Moe!!!!! |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Nov 6 16:17:52 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 6 16:16:02 2007. Moe takes a Pie in the Kisser.-w- |
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Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 6 17:13:18 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Nov 6 13:38:06 2007. I wonder if any work was done on that tail track since it began being used regularly back in the mid-90's. Until then, it (as well as both center tracks at Chambers) got precious little use for more than 2 decades. I recall them in the mid 80's with rusted rails. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 6 17:20:21 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Nov 6 16:17:52 2007. And proceeds to knock Curly's and Larry's heads together. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 6 18:16:41 2007, in response to Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by KarmaConditionedCar on Tue Nov 6 11:33:23 2007. Cool, maybe they will consider Chambers St unsafe and begin letting the M terminate at Broad St..... :) |
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Posted by Russ on Tue Nov 6 18:25:29 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 6 18:16:41 2007. But that would provide better service for passengers. Are you nuts? |
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Posted by Ken S. on Tue Nov 6 18:32:31 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 6 18:16:41 2007. I don't think there's room at Broad St. for both lines. They might as well send the M to Brooklyn when it's not a shuttle. Wait, that makes sense and it's what the riding public would want. They'll make the M into a shuttle full-time. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Tue Nov 6 21:24:38 2007, in response to Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by KarmaConditionedCar on Tue Nov 6 11:33:23 2007. I hope it's not a case of "Fresh-From-Schoolcar T/O" meeting a Bumper Block in the tunnel... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Nov 6 21:31:34 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Ferry on Tue Nov 6 21:24:38 2007. I hope it's not a case of "Fresh-From-Schoolcar T/O" meeting a Bumper Block in the tunnel...Not to be mean but.. IF it is Schoolcar takes the hit.. IF its a T/O with time EVERYBODY takes the hit one way or another.. From Supt's on down... It rolls ALL the way down in RTO.. |
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Posted by DOB2RTO on Tue Nov 6 21:51:32 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Railman718 on Tue Nov 6 21:31:34 2007. Same up here, especially with too many "knockdowns and fatalities" within the same depot. The General Manager gets on the depot manager, who gets on the General Superintendent, and AGS, who gets on the Road Superintendents, who gets on the dispatchers (somewhat) and the drivers. They have gave 30+ drivers days in the streets at the same time.A newbie B/O they will get on the Instructors, and the 19-A dispatchers who gave the newbie operator rides. |
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Or do the real sensible thing |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 7 00:11:08 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Ken S. on Tue Nov 6 18:32:31 2007. Or do the real sensible thing and combine the M with the V and have it go up 6th avenue. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Wed Nov 7 01:59:55 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by DOB2RTO on Tue Nov 6 21:51:32 2007. Thanks for the input, guys... My point being that an "experienced" T/O would know the distance beyond the platform where the bumper sits and would know AT WHAT SPEED to approach... barring any unforseen BRAKING DIFFICULTIES with the consist in question, it almost sounds like the T/O was either going too fast, or lacked adequate braking maneuvers. (unless s/he downright mistook the track it was on and assumed those tracks continued out on to Brooklyn) (and since it's OUTSIDE the station, then I imagine the bumper sits in the tunnel itself). Sorry to hear about this incident, regardless. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Wed Nov 7 02:01:40 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Ferry on Wed Nov 7 01:59:55 2007. FWIW, it's one thing to bump into the bumper at Wakefield (IN BROAD DAYLIGHT) and a whole 'nother to bump into a bumper in a dark tunnel (espc. if you're inexperienced or unfamiliar with that particular territory). |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 7 03:17:17 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Ferry on Wed Nov 7 01:59:55 2007. There are at least 2 timers before that bumper block. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 7 03:52:46 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 7 03:17:17 2007. Sure does suggest brake failure ... on my last day with the teeyay, I had several call-ons which I stopped for, did my business and then proceeded at yard speed. The last stop in front of the train ahead of me didn't happen when I pulled that last service, threw the handle, let go of the controller and reached for the cord. By the time it finally dumped, too late.Hope the person in the cab is OK and sorry to hear they got banged up enough to go to the hospital. Given MY wreck, what isaw in that photo wasn't as bad as the one I was in, though it looks like a fairly similar end result. :( |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Nov 7 12:26:46 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 7 03:52:46 2007. The car in the photo was the Third car in the consist - apparently the first two cars wedged together at the blind end and the first car must have gotten her clock cleaned pretty good.wayne |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Nov 7 12:36:28 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Nov 7 12:26:46 2007. Maybe there was a BMT standard hidden in that tunnel. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Nov 7 13:35:07 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Nov 7 12:36:28 2007. Nah, just a mean ol' Bumper Block. They can do up a train pretty good. Case in pernt: R46 #1054 (179th St) - AND #941 which was right behind it. #1054 was smushed for a distance of about 8 feet (just behind the first door) and #941 stopped with such force that it was buckled in the car centre. Case #2 in pernt: R44 #288 (205th St) had its entire forward end swallowed up by the tunnel end, with #285 following right behind.And there's always the best plough-job of all time: MOORGATE. wayne |
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Re: Or do the real sensible thing |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 7 17:16:32 2007, in response to Or do the real sensible thing, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 7 00:11:08 2007. If the MTA doesn't want to use the relay track any more, it can always have the Ms terminate and reverse ends in the station and advise passengers changing from Jamaica bound J trains to make their transfer at Canal St. When I was breaking in as a C/R, that was done on a J train I was working. The J was brought into J-4 Chambers St and went right back to Jamaica from there. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 7 17:19:58 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Ferry on Wed Nov 7 01:59:55 2007. From what I heard from a TA employee, who shall remain anaonymous for the moment, The T/O was not a newbie but a relatively seasoned veteran. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 7 18:32:56 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Nov 7 12:26:46 2007. Yesterday was a bad day all around ... this, the runaway on Rockaway, a possible derailment (something happened, but all is mum) on PATH and Journal Square and the Hitler Channel, DSC, NGC and Fox reality were all running trainwreck shows. :-\ |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Nov 7 18:39:37 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 7 17:19:58 2007. From what I heard from a TA employee, who shall remain anaonymous for the moment, The T/O was not a newbie but a relatively seasoned veteran.Oh great... Looks like the Monkey is going to be busy again.... Friday should be "interesting" indeed i can also look for some "company" at 205 street this weekend as well... |
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Posted by South Ferry on Wed Nov 7 18:54:13 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Nov 7 13:35:07 2007. oh, so that picture we saw.... that WASN'T the first car?? |
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Posted by South Ferry on Wed Nov 7 18:55:29 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 7 18:32:56 2007. and MTV runs Tila Tequila --another trainwreck. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Nov 7 18:58:07 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Ferry on Wed Nov 7 18:54:13 2007. No, that was the forward end of the third car.wayne |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Nov 7 19:11:35 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Ferry on Wed Nov 7 18:54:13 2007. oh, so that picture we saw.... that WASN'T the first car??Of coruse not.. Only a lucky "few" have been able to "see" those first two cars and im sure its a sight! They are going to "hide" those first two cars somewhere deep in Coney Island Yard.. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 7 19:22:39 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Ferry on Wed Nov 7 18:55:29 2007. Heh. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 7 20:24:13 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Railman718 on Wed Nov 7 19:11:35 2007. oh dear we'll never see themoh dear |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 7 20:26:58 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Railman718 on Wed Nov 7 19:11:35 2007. Heh. Better hope they hide them inside ... one of these birds just might rent a helicopter. :) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Nov 7 20:30:47 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 7 20:24:13 2007. oh dear we'll never see themoh dear (Sarcasm Being put aside)... Sure you will.. Sooner or later... |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Nov 7 22:41:14 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Railman718 on Wed Nov 7 19:11:35 2007. Actually, It's not gonna be C.I.Y... |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 7 22:49:01 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Nov 7 22:41:14 2007. 207????? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Nov 7 22:49:46 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 7 22:49:01 2007. You already know it. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 7 22:50:26 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Nov 7 22:49:46 2007. could always change....may not have been told the truth... |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 7 22:50:58 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Nov 7 22:49:46 2007. did you keep your pants on? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Nov 7 22:51:14 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 7 22:50:26 2007. Your going there tomorrow anyway, so it would have to be the truth. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Nov 7 22:51:28 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 7 22:50:58 2007. Huh? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 7 22:56:01 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Nov 7 22:51:14 2007. told him that I'd have to see how I feelhave a luncheon engagement that I plan on keeping |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 7 22:56:53 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Nov 7 22:51:28 2007. supposedly, you called him a qu**r M*therf*cker? |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu Nov 8 02:18:42 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 7 22:56:53 2007. him or the pants? |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu Nov 8 02:19:48 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Nov 7 18:58:07 2007. ah... de-tached from the first two affected cars, i presume then.. |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Nov 8 09:55:22 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by South Ferry on Thu Nov 8 02:18:42 2007. good question! |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Nov 8 12:08:53 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 7 20:26:58 2007. Isn't it strange how this particular incident is the subject of such hush-hush when the (much worse) accident in Canarsie Yard involving the much-newer R143 #8277 was so widely publicized - even on the news and everything. The iron grip must be tightening...hear it creak....hear it squeak.....=-w-= |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 8 12:14:06 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Nov 8 12:08:53 2007. I don't think this is hush hush at all. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Nov 8 12:22:22 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 8 12:14:06 2007. No, and it's not as much damage or drama as the Canarsie accident.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Nov 8 12:31:02 2007, in response to Re: Injured, potentially trapped employee at J,M Chambers St terminal, posted by Fred G on Thu Nov 8 12:22:22 2007. No, and it's not as much damage or drama as the Canarsie accident.Havent seen the frist two cars yet have you?? Theres a bit more to this... Im sure sooner or later "somebody" will go to where they have those two cars sitting and get some pictures, if they havent already. |
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