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Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!) |
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Posted by American Pig on Thu May 24 06:11:47 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon May 7 17:33:07 2007. Paying more just to have someone else with no relation to me keep their job is a form of charity. It's not a charity I wish to contribute to. |
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Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 24 21:51:06 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Bingham C50 on Wed May 23 13:01:54 2007. Yep! |
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Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update) |
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Posted by BIE on Thu May 24 21:52:46 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by HarryP on Wed May 23 14:38:59 2007. I bet you were a DAMNED GOOD COP. |
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Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update) |
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Posted by JPC on Thu May 24 23:11:54 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 21 18:19:56 2007. Deletion of photos is destruction of property.If this officer came up to someone and (for the sake of argument), took something out of their purse and intentionally broke it, would that officer be "doing their job?" No, on the contrary, unless they have a valid reason to seize the property (i.e. it is contraband or being used in the commission of a crime) they are acting in a manner utterly incompatible with their job description. The law says that subway photos are NOT contraband. The law says that subway photos are NOT illegal. Nilet was NOT committing a crime when he took those photos. Therefore the officer had absolutely zero justification in seizing and/or destroying Nilet's property. Yet the officer did so anyway, and quite blatantly and intentionally at that. I really don't have a clue how I can make it any more elementary than that. |
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Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 25 01:27:43 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by HarryP on Wed May 23 14:38:59 2007. Excellent response, Harry P. |
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Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update) |
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Posted by HarryP on Fri May 25 06:52:10 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by BIE on Thu May 24 21:52:46 2007. Thanks for all the support, fellow Subchatters. |
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Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update) |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 25 07:02:11 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by HarryP on Wed May 23 14:38:59 2007. I did read them, Harry and thanks for stepping up to the plate. Your comments are spot on.your pal, Fred |
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Another Update (Re: Cop Incident) |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 29 17:13:01 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007.  I took the memory card to the CCRB and gave it to the supervisor there. She says she'll give it to the investigator, who will call me back. Presumably, they'll be able to recover the photos, along with the key video of me recording the officers' badge numbers for the first time. Since the first (deleted, can be recovered) recording is time-stamped, and the second recording is also time-stamped, this will help back up my case, if not as well as time stamped delete information. |
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Re: Another Update (Re: Cop Incident) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 29 18:07:13 2007, in response to Another Update (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Tue May 29 17:13:01 2007. Good luck. I hope this helps you get a little justice. |
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Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 23:40:05 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. Yes, it's another post relating to the cop incident at the end of this past April. (You can always click for the OP if you don't remember what I'm talking about.) Shortly before leaving for vacation, I called Investigator Cody from the CCRB, asking if they were finished with the memory card. (Quick recap: The cops deleted my photos; I had recorded their badge numbers, and they deleted those too. I re-recorded them. Since both the re-recording and the (undeletable) original recording were time stamped, this would support my complaint.) He said that they weren't. I said that I would be out of the country for two weeks on vacation. Several days ago, I left him a message asking if they were done. Yesterday, he called me saying that he wasn't sure of (actually "couldn't disclose" were his exact words) the undeletion status. Today, he called again, saying that the card was "supposed to" have been done today, but they weren't doing anything to the card in-house, and he couldn't reach the supervisor at the agency which was performing the undeletion. He said he'd call on Monday, and that the card should probably be done then. Investigations take a long time, it seems. Hopefully, there'll be enough evidence in the card to back up my complaint, but more-hopefully, I'll get my photos and videos back, since some of them are impossible to retake easily. |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by monorail on Sat Jul 7 00:21:06 2007, in response to Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 23:40:05 2007. good luck |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 7 00:39:14 2007, in response to Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 23:40:05 2007. I must commend you on your dedication...Some might have given up already... |
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Reef |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 7 02:34:47 2007, in response to Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 23:40:05 2007. Drop it already, eh? |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 7 02:52:29 2007, in response to Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 7 00:39:14 2007. Heh, no one deletes my RFW video of the (J) train leaving Broadway Junction and crossing the entire main line and gets away with it! Actually, not much dedication is required. I haven't missed a single new event, so the lack of posted updates should give you a good idea of how slowly these things go. The main thing is that I don't want a cop who is willing to violate the fourth amendment patrolling anywhere. Her casual remark: "You can't prove I deleted them" seemed to suggest (to me, and also a couple other people I told the story to) that she was used to breaking the law. There's no excuse for illegally damaging someone's property, but if she was indeed used to doing things like that, it's especially important that she's either corrected or fired. One other (minor) update: Investigator Cody said that they may not be able to release the undeleted pics to me. I can't see why that would be the case; I'd understand why they wouldn't release evidence used in an investigation, but these pictures are my property, and I've already seen (most) of them on the camera's screen. Hopefully, I'll be able to get the recovered pics back. If not, I actually considered going to small claims court and suing the individual cop who deleted them for the $30 cost of an undeletion program for my own computer so I can recover them myself. Dragging her into court and making her pay for the damage she caused, however minor it may be, would be a good way to make sure she thinks twice before violating someone's property rights! Incidentally, as a result of that incident, I am now taking matters into my own CCD and leaving the camera on during any and all encounters with cops in the subway. With a video camera running the whole time, there's no way a cop could delete anything and get away with it! Even if a cop takes the camera from me and turns it off, I'd still have a video of him/her reaching for and taking the camera, which is illegal without probable cause and would give him/her some splainin' to do. It also means that, unless the cop goes so far as to delete stuff or take the camera, I can email entire videos of cop incidents to someone I know who was a former cop and a former CCRB board member. The most recent cop incident (and the only one since "the big one") was a couple days ago, at 145th Street. (This was relatively shortly after a non-cop incident at Times Square.) Although I could make the argument that I was detained illegally, this one wasn't nearly as bad as the last one. Unfortunately, the video is eight minutes long, and Photobucket wants it to be five minutes or less. :( |
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Re: Reef |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 7 02:53:38 2007, in response to Reef, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 7 02:34:47 2007. If you don't want to read any updates, you're perfectly free to put this thread on Mental Killfile. |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 7 03:02:22 2007, in response to Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 7 00:39:14 2007. He's very dedicated. Check out his PATH thread. |
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Re:Don't Reef |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sat Jul 7 04:09:33 2007, in response to Reef, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 7 02:34:47 2007. Keeping us updated is fine, Don't respond if you don't want to read! |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sat Jul 7 04:11:45 2007, in response to Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 7 02:52:29 2007. Use Google for videos longer than 5 minutes. |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 7 05:03:27 2007, in response to Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 23:40:05 2007. Yawn. |
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Re: Reef |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 7 05:35:39 2007, in response to Reef, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 7 02:34:47 2007. No, I disagree with you. Our votes cancel each others out :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 7 08:00:01 2007, in response to Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 23:40:05 2007. Time for Tappy Phillips with "7 on Your Side". |
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Re: Reef |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 7 10:40:05 2007, in response to Re: Reef, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 7 05:35:39 2007. I think we should follow this story to its conclusion - if what Nilet said is true then those cops should be punished severely because of what they did. Photographer harassment must stop!!! |
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Re: Reef |
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Posted by error46146 on Sat Jul 7 10:42:39 2007, in response to Reef, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 7 02:34:47 2007. No, he shouldn't. |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by error46146 on Sat Jul 7 10:42:59 2007, in response to Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 23:40:05 2007. I'm glad to hear this is making progress, good luck on the whole thing! |
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Re: Reef |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jul 7 10:45:37 2007, in response to Re: Reef, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 7 10:40:05 2007. Exactly!Jimmymc25 |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 7 11:11:05 2007, in response to Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 7 03:02:22 2007. You don't get anywhere in this world without being persistent. |
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Re: Reef |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 7 11:11:47 2007, in response to Reef, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 7 02:34:47 2007. You have no right to tell him what to do. |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 7 11:12:51 2007, in response to Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 7 08:00:01 2007. She's very good. I used her once. |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Sat Jul 7 12:47:21 2007, in response to Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 7 08:00:01 2007. Yup. Make it big. 7 on Your Side, New York 1, Shame On You, etc. Do what it takes. Not much you could do with PATH but getting Transit Bureau cops to stop harrassment needs to be done. Nilet, you have my support. Another suggestion I can offer is the Daily News Voices of the People page. Post something there and I'm sure eyes will open up.Lord Vader |
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Re: Reef |
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Posted by 3440 on Sat Jul 7 16:22:00 2007, in response to Re: Reef, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 7 10:40:05 2007. ''Photographer harassment must stop!!!''When yay going to do something about it? BJC |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 7 17:26:02 2007, in response to Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by JBar387 on Sat Jul 7 04:11:45 2007. Hm, I could try that. |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 7 17:27:56 2007, in response to Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 7 03:02:22 2007. I guess, but I can't seem to dedicate myself to things that matter. Right now, I'll see if I can dedicate myself to wading through 1,472 vacation photos and sorting out the ones worth posting. |
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Re: Reef |
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Posted by error46146 on Sat Jul 7 17:57:47 2007, in response to Re: Reef, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 7 10:40:05 2007. The cops should be fired and then have their cameras taken away. It's only fair. |
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Re: Reef |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Jul 7 18:35:12 2007, in response to Reef, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 7 02:34:47 2007. Shut up, Nazi! |
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Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!) |
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Posted by Error46146 on Sat Jul 7 20:44:02 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by Nilet on Sat May 5 13:56:40 2007. The police are the terrorists, not the terrorists.They create terror by yelling at people taking pictures |
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Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 7 21:31:01 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by Error46146 on Sat Jul 7 20:44:02 2007. they have courts the state the city the government county judges etc,....................... all backing them up from the rear !! ........... and you and i do not all whe have is a attorney if you got the dough $$$$ enough to pay and afford one !! i know !! it SUX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 7 21:31:12 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by Error46146 on Sat Jul 7 20:44:02 2007. they have courts the state the city the government county judges etc,....................... all backing them up from the rear !! ........... and you and i do not all we have is a attorney if you got the dough $$$$ enough to pay and afford one !! i know !! it SUX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!) |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 7 22:02:32 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by TunnelRat on Thu May 3 15:17:16 2007. Steve, every time BIE posts he makes a stupid statement. And do you think BIE cares if a cop makes O.T. or not? I mean he thinks cops are nazis!! |
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Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!) |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Jul 7 22:42:33 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by Error46146 on Sat Jul 7 20:44:02 2007. Spoken like a kid. |
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Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!) |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Jul 7 23:08:11 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by Error46146 on Sat Jul 7 20:44:02 2007. Police just have to remember that they serve the public, NOT the other way around. But we ALL do have to watch out for islamists and cooperate with reasonable police requests. |
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Re: Reef |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jul 7 23:18:16 2007, in response to Reef, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 7 02:34:47 2007. nope. you lose. ha ha ha. |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jul 7 23:19:28 2007, in response to Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 6 23:40:05 2007. Thanks for the update. Good luck. Keep posting as many updates, as often as you want. |
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Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 7 23:25:54 2007, in response to How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by railbus63 on Thu May 3 13:07:29 2007. So what your saying is, that You SUPPORT the officers LYING..Illegal actions..are STILL ILLEGAL ACTIONS.. The very fact that the female officer took his camra away..deleted the film..and CLEARLY STATED THAT HE COULDN'T "PROVE" THAT SHE DID IT ATTEST THAT SHE AND THE POLICE HAVE DONE THIS SORT OF THING BEFORE... Yet You support such actions... What if they were covering up something MORE SERIOUS..Like BEATING SOMEONE..or even KILLING someone...? Its happened before...and Im sure it will happen again. What needed here is More police POLICING the Police. IAD needs to get out there on the street more often. |
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Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!) |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Jul 7 23:30:37 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 7 23:25:54 2007. IAD is a paper tiger. What is needed is an outside agency to watch the police. |
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Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 7 23:43:46 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by BIE on Sat Jul 7 23:30:37 2007. like the FBI..they don't give a rats ass about nycpd jurisdiction. |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sun Jul 8 05:06:53 2007, in response to Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 7 17:26:02 2007. I use gogle for videos more than 100mbThe RFW! You can also use YouTube for videos 100mb or less. This was a weekend GO |
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Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Jul 8 09:55:53 2007, in response to Re: Update: The Memory Card's Still Out, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 7 05:03:27 2007. Yes, when will this saga ever end???? |
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Re: Reef |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jul 8 12:14:14 2007, in response to Re: Reef, posted by error46146 on Sat Jul 7 17:57:47 2007. what cameras? |
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Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!) |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 17 00:16:45 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. Yes, this is a month-old necropost in a thread originally started at the end of April and raised from the dead several times. It was either that or start a new thread on the same topic, and either one probably violates some rule of message board etiquette, which doesn't seem geared towards describing long drawn-out processes like the filing and investigation of a complaint of police misconduct. Anyway. I stopped by the CCRB today on my way to a birthday celebration to pick up the memory card. They had, it seems, recovered most of the deleted photos, if not all of them. I didn't ask specifically about the first recording of the cops' badge numbers, which was the primary evidence I hoped they'd uncover. When I got the memory card back, I found that it didn't have any of the pics on it, although they were obviously not overwritten. Investigator Cody said that strict nondisclosure policies at the CCRB prevent him from releasing the photos to me. I said that since the photos are mine, taken by me, submitted to them by me, and available to me with an undeletion program of my own, I didn't see why it was a problem to release their copies out of convenience. He said I'd need to talk to his supervisors about it. He also said that if I called him, he'd give me details on how I could get my own undeletion software, but I've already looked; it costs about $30, and the selections for Macs are limited, but existent. If I have to pay to recover them, I may pursue civil action to recover the costs, but I'd have to consult with the lawyers in the family. He also said that I should expect a letter relatively soon, though I don't know exactly what to expect in it. Updates will be posted as events progress, unless everyone gets sick of hearing about this and doesn't really care about the outcome. |
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Re: Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Aug 17 00:32:36 2007, in response to Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!), posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 17 00:16:45 2007. Keep the updates coming !! |
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