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Posted by BIE on Mon May 21 21:47:47 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 20:44:59 2007. I'm just waiting for a southern sheriff to rack n' jack an NYPD cop doing an ILLEGAL harassment/sting of a gun dealer who is following the law in a southern state. That NYPD cop would learn that there are LIMITS, now we need to teach the other umpteen thousand NYPD cops their LIMITS. |
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Posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 22:01:28 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by BIE on Mon May 21 21:47:47 2007. I would hope for the best for the cop who is actually down south, but his or her boss(es) should be reamed a new one for initiating this whole fiasco. Though, I think the whole southern gun dealer sting came down from the tip top, from Mayor Mike himself. If not, then it's on Commissioner Kelly. This is on par with the NYPD tailing cars who buy fireworks in PA to bring them back to City limits, pulling them over in the City. |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon May 21 22:04:25 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by BMTLines on Mon May 21 21:27:19 2007. Very good video! Loved the 1950’s look, complete with artificial scratches on the “print”! |
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Posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 22:04:26 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by BIE on Mon May 21 21:39:31 2007. I think the bad reputation isn't stemming from this issue of deleting photographs, but rather the NYPD's Applicant Processing Division is essentially allowing anyone now with a pulse and in decent shape to join up with the NYPD. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 21 22:05:01 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 22:01:28 2007. This is on par with the NYPD tailing cars who buy fireworks in PA to bring them back to City limits, pulling them over in the City.So That's why they pulled me over once when I came back from spending 4th of July weekend in South Carolina. Went there so I could enjoy the pleasure of shooting my own fireworks like I used to be able to get away with pre-Giuliani... Anyway they found nothing since I made sure to shoot them all off in SC before heading back home :-D |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 21 22:11:53 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 22:04:26 2007. The old saying "You get what you pay for" applies... If the city wants a professional police force then it should be prepared to pay for PROFESSIONALS! 32BJ Cleaners make more than cops!!! |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 21 22:12:46 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by BMTLines on Mon May 21 22:11:53 2007. When you count tips and OT, we made a lot more than starting pay for rookie cops. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon May 21 22:15:59 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 22:01:28 2007. They won't find me with fireworks. There's no more to celebrate. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon May 21 22:19:12 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 22:01:28 2007. And you condone dirty tricks like that? No one with any sense of morals would want to get into that job. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon May 21 22:26:00 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Nilet on Mon May 21 18:22:54 2007. Do you have proff of anything you've alleged? Are there any witnesses? Did anyone shoot a video on their camera-phone? |
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Posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 23:29:33 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by BIE on Mon May 21 22:19:12 2007. I don't condone schemes such as that, but the cop(s) doing the actual surveillance/pulling over shouldn't be scrutinized as they are just following orders. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 21 23:50:37 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 23:29:33 2007. I remember many years ago when NYC sent cops to the New Jersey malls to write down the license numbers of New Yorkers who shopped there and bill them for sales tax. I consider these things an abuse of police power. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 22 03:46:09 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by BMTLines on Mon May 21 21:27:19 2007. great vid! |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Tue May 22 04:26:10 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by HarryP on Mon May 21 21:03:53 2007. I heartily second that. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Tue May 22 04:36:05 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 21 18:19:56 2007. Transit photographers are getting sick and tired of being treated like lowlifes and criminals.Why is it so hard for you to understand and appreciate that fact? Your cruelty and insensitvity on this forum toward many of us regarding this issue appears to have no limit whatsoever. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 07:21:31 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Dave on Mon May 21 22:26:00 2007. Unfortunately, I doubt someone got the incident with a cell phone. There were witnesses, but it would be a chore to track any down and maybe impossible.I was hoping that the memory card would help, but apparently, there's no way to find out when something was deleted from it. :( |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 07:35:48 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 19:32:57 2007.  They're only photos of subway trains... ...which represent 3 hours of work and can't be retaken even if I had another 3 hours. ...one would think a reasonable person could get over it and move on with their life! Who says I haven't? Since a cop performed an illegal search and seizure, and destroyed my property, I'm making an effort to make sure that the cop in question is informed of the law or removed from that job, but that doesn't exactly require my 24-hour devotion. What exactly do you think I did in the 3 weeks between this post and this one? Obsess over the incident constantly? If it was a photo shoot that you got paid for on the other hand... Why does that matter? The only work that matters is the work that you do for somebody else? Do you mean to say that if someone destroyed everything you ever did just for the fun of it (or at least 3 hours of work that you weren't specifically paid to do) then it wouldn't matter? 3 hours of my work was destroyed illegally. Whether I did it for me or somebody else is irrelevant. Somehow, if you were kidnapped and held for 3 hours before you escaped while you were on vacation, you'd be just as angry as if it happened on the way to work. Would you refrain from calling the cops, saying: "I'll get on with my life, it's not like I would have been paid for that time anyway?" Of course, it's more than that. A cop who is willing to violate the 4th Amendment cannot be trusted as a cop. If she was willing to delete my photos in violation of the law, how do we know that she won't arrest someone innocent, or subject someone innocent to a strip search in public, or take the next railfan's camera permanently? |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 07:37:10 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by JohnL on Mon May 21 19:45:04 2007. Quite true.For all I know, she may have harrassed a dozen railfans, and I'm the first to report it. Letting someone get away with harrassment only encourages more. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 07:37:29 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by J trainloco on Mon May 21 19:46:43 2007. Exactly! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 07:38:14 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 07:35:48 2007. Very well said. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 07:45:07 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 20:43:47 2007. That's easy to say when it happens to somebody else. If you were detained for three hours after work, you probably wouldn't dismiss it with a casual: "Well, if it were at work, I'd be upset because that's how I make a living, but since I only lost my free time, it doesn't matter." You still have the right to do whatever the hell you wish. Yay for reading comprehension! I was doing what I wanted (within the confines of the law) and I was harrassed anyway. My pictures (the results of 3 hours of work) were deleted in violation of the 4th Amendment prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure, something that I would certainly consider a right. I suppose if I did nothing but work and watch sports on TV, I could have avoided the incident, but I certainly wouldn't want to live like that. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 22 07:55:30 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 19:34:47 2007. She..Not "He"...Also the officer in question DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT SHE DID..there was no "cause" for it. The kicker was "You can't PROVE that I did it.." which was more than enough to understand that it wasn't the FIRST TIME she did something like that. She needs to be punished...and SWIFTLY. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 22 08:04:15 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 20:44:59 2007. Shut up now.It didn't happen to You..so You couldn't possibly understand How he feels. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 22 08:11:48 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by BIE on Mon May 21 22:19:12 2007. Not that anybody notices Now..but cops have done FAR WORSE than that,and got away with it clean.Lately..they have been called on it..and paying the price for injustice. YOU PUT ON A BADGE..YOU TOE THE LINE...or PAY THE PRICE. God does not like Ugly sin. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 08:22:09 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 20:44:59 2007. No argument there... Ah, finally we agree. ...but to make a big hissy fit over this is ridiculous. Reporting police misconduct to the CCRB is a "big hissy fit?" Why, exactly, do you think the CCRB exists? Hint: It's to investigate reports of police misconduct. Move on already! Although I've already said this, I'll say it again: I already have moved on. See this post for additional details. Better luck next time! If cops were informed that photography was legal and people were to apply a little common sense, there wouldn't be a next time. There probably wouldn't have been a this time. Yeah, it sucks! Yes, it sucks. That's why I'm doing something about it. That's why I'm taking steps to make sure that the cop in question is held responsible and it never happens again. Life's a bitch! The fact that life is often unfair is not reason to refrain from trying to make it a little more fair. If you were robbed, you wouldn't say "Life's a bitch!" and walk away, you'd call the cops. If someone grabbed you and tried to force you into his car, you wouldn't say "Life's a bitch!" and go with him, you'd punch him, then call the cops. If you were an artist and found 3 hours of your work destroyed, you wouldn't say "Life's a bitch!" and forget about it, you'd call the cops! Or, if it were done by a cop, you'd call the CCRB. Saying: "Life sucks, therefore there's no reason to try and improve it" is ridiculous. People like that are part of the reason why life sucks. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue May 22 08:42:07 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by SMAZ on Tue May 22 03:46:09 2007. Wish it was mine - LOL - the group organizer took it while the rest of us were taking pics... |
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Posted by Pk Slope F on Tue May 22 10:36:56 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by BMTLines on Mon May 21 21:03:41 2007. trains are our models. :) |
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Posted by Deaks on Tue May 22 10:44:08 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Grand concourse on Mon May 21 19:49:51 2007. For goodness sake, why don't you get the fuck over Error already? You make yourself look more of a petty-minded child than him with your continual bitchy posts about him - honestly.... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 22 14:02:02 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Edwards! on Tue May 22 08:11:48 2007. Paying the price,mind you,[for all the "nitpickers"] is being brought up on charges of misconduct.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 22 14:09:33 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Deaks on Tue May 22 10:44:08 2007. Y don't you tell him how You REALLY feel?Lol.. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 22 15:14:29 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Nilet on Mon May 21 18:38:33 2007. It was a good thought on your part. Can't fault you for trying. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 22 15:15:00 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by JohnL on Mon May 21 18:08:29 2007. Thanks for your help, John. I wish there were a way to help him. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 15:21:50 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 22 15:14:29 2007. Actually, it wasn't my thought. It was the thought of a former cop who'd once worked in forensics, so I thought it was worth a try.Incidentally, what's with this? "For a deleted file, its original file time and date; deleted files have their normal time and date fields set to the time of deletion" Anything? *hopes*
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 22 16:15:10 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 15:21:50 2007. The comments you reproduced are from DR-DOS, which was Digital Research's competing OS to Microsoft's DOS. That operating system existed on a number of machines but was an orphan before long. I don't know anyone who usest anymore. It predated Windows. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue May 22 16:46:45 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 07:21:31 2007. You've got a problem, then. You can file all the complaints you want to with the CCRB but without corobborating witnesses, or video showing the cops deleting your memory card, you have no proff that anything you allege actually happened. As far as the CCRB will be concerned you made up the entire incident and it never actually happened. |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue May 22 16:51:48 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Dave on Tue May 22 16:46:45 2007. There are corroborating details about the incident: if the officer called in and requested a check on Nilet’s personal details, that should be on a log somewhere. It’s a start. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 16:56:39 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by JohnL on Tue May 22 16:51:48 2007. Yeah, at minimum, they know I encountered those cops that day at that time. They can also know that the photos were taken that day and deleted, even if they don't know the time. Furthermore, there's a (time-stamped) recording of my voice saying their badge numbers (that's how I "wrote" it down), which was deleted and can (hopefully) be recovered, and a (time-stamped) re-recording afterwards, which hopefully hasn't overwritten anything important. |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue May 22 16:58:13 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 16:56:39 2007. But you should still go to the station concerned and request log excerpts in support of your complaint. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 17:00:46 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by JohnL on Tue May 22 16:58:13 2007. The police station where they work?Presumably the CCRB would get those logs as a standard part of the investigation. |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue May 22 17:09:36 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 17:00:46 2007. I wouldn’t bet on it. I would request all records that pertain to the timeframe. ASAP. That way they can’t get lost. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue May 22 17:15:58 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 21 18:19:56 2007. You are an asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 22 17:55:08 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon May 21 18:19:56 2007. No, he's just trying to correct a police officer's malpractice. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 22 20:20:07 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by HarryP on Mon May 21 21:03:53 2007. I'm glad we have more than one retired police officer on this board. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed May 23 13:01:54 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 22 20:20:07 2007. Make that two of us.And a knowledgeable, intelligent, and decent one as well. |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Wed May 23 13:15:18 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by HarryP on Mon May 21 21:03:53 2007. How can you critize a man when you never worked with him?I learned as a rookie to keep my mouth shut&my eyes open& ask why certain things were done face to face with the others involved.I,m assuming you were TP.your whole career.Its 2 different worlds being in the hole&being on the street.If you never have been working the streets your scope of policing is very limited.this is coming from one who was transit for a year&"street"for 14[75pct 10 years&transit,dist.33 1 year.the other 4 years on limited duty] |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed May 23 13:48:36 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Nilet on Tue May 22 08:22:09 2007. I admire you for what you are doing.Don't let the naysayers discourage you. You're doing the right thing, in the right way. |
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Posted by HarryP on Wed May 23 14:38:59 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by TunnelRat on Wed May 23 13:15:18 2007. Its quite apparent, SIR,you don't read all the postings on this board. Because if you did,you would see why I had to respond to Mr. Rosen. No, I never did work with him, or know anyone who did,but from the statements he has made here, one has to wonder if he has acted with good intentions and common sense,qualities needed to b successful in law enforcement. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Wed May 23 15:51:48 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by HarryP on Mon May 21 21:03:53 2007. Officer Harry P.........I wish you were still on the force. The moniker New York's Finest applies to you. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed May 23 17:32:03 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Bingham C50 on Wed May 23 13:48:36 2007. Thanks for your support. Although it seems I can't recover a time stamp of the deletion, which would have been prime evidence, at least I have the time stamped video of myself recording their badge numbers (deleted, can be recovered), and the time-stamped re-recording of them (not deleted) which should at least help to back up my story. If that's not enough, I'd have to make an effort to track down the eyewitnesses. Perhaps the MTA would be able to tell me or the CCRB investigators who was assigned to Utica Avenue on that day? |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed May 23 22:30:43 2007, in response to Re: Technical Details Required... (Cop Incident Update), posted by Clayton on Mon May 21 20:44:59 2007. This man is simply standing up and fighting for his legal and Constitutional right to persue his interest in peace.And you persist in putting him down for it. Why? |
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