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Posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007 Today, well, let's just say my luck ran out.I was at Roosevelt Avenue today coming home from some personal business, I got bored and decided to take out my camera and get some shots. I was standing, with camera in hand lining up and focusing my should-be perfect shot, while this cop on the Manhattan bound platforms yells at me, "HEY NO PICTURES ON THE TRAIN!". I was scared stiff. I couldn't even say anything, I just quickly slipped my camera back in my jacket pocket. Well, it looks like I've been yelled at by all 3 now. First conductors, then train operators, and now finally the police. I really find it disgraceful, even after said on the media (NY1 did a report on cops yelling at people for taking pics), I still have to go through being scared by cops for taking pictures. Hey, I was lucky, at least I didn't get handcuffed and my camera taken away! If you want here are the details:
I put partial blame on myself though, I was so damn stupid to miss that big cop on the other platform. NYPD? New York's Finest? HA! Not in my life, that's for sure. Anyway, pics from today:  Chambers Street  R142 4 train about to leave 14th Street  R46 R train at 14th Street I was lucky and got the R40 Modified N train !!  Inside the R40M  About to leave 42nd Street  Leaving 42nd Street  Times Square!!  Inside the empty 7 train!  Everyone's favorite!  7 train about to leave 74th Street  Bye 7 train!  Manhattan bound 7 train Comments, criticism, sympathy, etc, are all welcome! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 21:57:37 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007. 1) I would have continued with my picture taking.2) I would have turned and taken a picture of the officer. 3) Hope a train comes in before he can get to this platform. 3) I would have published that picture here. If worse come to worse, I could always have my LION *EAT* that officer. Can always claim he looked like a wildebeest. ROAR |
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Posted by LA Blue Line on Sun May 6 21:59:53 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007. You get scared too easily. Go railfanning with SBK and let him show you how it's done. |
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Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07 |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 6 22:00:38 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007.  Nice pics! You're starting to get good at this! Sorry about the cop. Heh, I'd prob'ly have taken the picture anyway! You should print out a copy of Section 1050.9(c) from the MTA rules here and keep it with you just in case, although it didn't do me any good. :( |
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Posted by LA Blue Line on Sun May 6 22:02:08 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 21:57:37 2007. 3) Hope a train comes in before he can get to this platform.LOL! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 22:09:08 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by LA Blue Line on Sun May 6 22:02:08 2007. Of course the Sheriff out here drives a pick-up truck.People have been known to wet their pants when he turns on the lightbar. As the saying goes: "You cannot out run a Motorola." ROAR |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun May 6 22:26:22 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007. There seem to be too many similar reports surfacing again. It has to be more than coincidental - the NYPD and/or the MTA is trying to enforce their non-existant photo ban again. Now that the vocal opposition to the photo ban has died down the cops are once again trying to shut us down. |
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Posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 22:27:12 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by BMTLines on Sun May 6 22:26:22 2007. Alert the media again! |
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Posted by R32 B Train on Sun May 6 23:03:33 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007. Slammin pics, but...Where is the R46 R at 14 Street? Did you try to ride around the City Hall loop? Sorry about that cop. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 6 23:18:15 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007. I tried to brighten up this picture on my computer, but it just came out grainy and miserable. :( |
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Posted by SOUTH FERRY on Mon May 7 01:20:02 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007. YUO should have given him your trademark "Nooooooo..." |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon May 7 01:35:56 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007. If I make a suggestion.Carry copies of all pertinent rules and regulation pertaining to photography on New York MTA property. Make sure all said documents are dated and the source of documents are clearly visible on the documents (web site URL, agency regulation document title, agency memorandums, official agency letters and state or municipal codes if applicable). When confronted by police or employees warning you to not to take pictures, put camera away, hand copy of documents mentioned above to police officer or MTA employees, say nothing, walk away. If enough folks do this often enough maybe people within the ranks of MTA employees and police will finely learn what the regulation really are and this nonsense will stop. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 7 01:55:44 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Sand Box John on Mon May 7 01:35:56 2007. That's a good idea, as I said above. I got stopped, handcuffed, and illegally searched by the police, who then deleted all of my pics despite having the aforementioned paperwork with me. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 7 06:45:58 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Sand Box John on Mon May 7 01:35:56 2007. Haha, walk away from a police officer. That's gonna go over well, John. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon May 7 10:11:21 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 7 06:45:58 2007. Haha, walk away from a police officer. That's gonna go over well, John.Think about it, the police officer or transit employee usually makes these warnings from a distance. You respond by putting your camera away (which is obeying the warning made by the police officer), approach police officer or transit employee, hand copies of documents mentioned previously to police officer or transit employee, say nothing, walk away. In my opinion if one does this in a cooperative, friendly and non confrontational manner one will likely not end up being detained. The single page that is shown in the photograph that Nilet posted is in my opinion insufficient. A complete copy of all the pertinent document should be presented. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 7 10:23:09 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Sand Box John on Mon May 7 10:11:21 2007. I do not think he will allow you to just walk away after you came over to him and handed him a piece of paper that he has not had time to read. He might not even accept the paper from you in the first place. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 7 10:26:06 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 7 06:45:58 2007. However, if you walk away, and then the police officer tries something else, claim police brutality afterward, claiming that the officer was looking to pick a fight for no reason. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 7 10:33:22 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 7 10:26:06 2007. Nah, that wouldn't be my plan. I'm not out to get the police or any specific patrolman. I just want them to respect both photographers and the rules. |
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Posted by roscoman1986 on Mon May 7 14:35:53 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007. I know that they are obviously newer, but why does it seem like the R142/R142A cars have no scratchitti or vandalism visible on the windows? Forgive me if it is a dumb question, but it seems that the trains that ran before on these lines (and the R62/R62As) had scratched up windows. Do the R142/R142A cars have some new "anti-scratch" stuff on the windows, or is it there as well but not as bad since the trains are newer than the others (running since 2000) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon May 7 14:45:14 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by roscoman1986 on Mon May 7 14:35:53 2007. Trains from R142 on up have a "membrane" placed over the glass. This can be scratched and win it is it is easily revoved and replaced with a new one. They are retrofitting some older trains with it but it is a slow process. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon May 7 16:33:44 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007. Damn, you got bad luck. But nice pictures! |
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Posted by P-rad M on Mon May 7 17:14:20 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007. Hmm...that sucks, but don't let it get to you. Don't go out railfanning and taking pics and be afraid of being told to stop by employees or cops. Nice pics BTW! |
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Posted by Thunderbolt on Mon May 7 17:59:38 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon May 7 14:45:14 2007. From what I've read, it's Mylar, and it's my belief that the R-32 on the A that recently went through an SMS was fitted with the coating as well. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 7 20:58:35 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Thunderbolt on Mon May 7 17:59:38 2007. I've been on a R62 (3) recently that also had the "membrane" (don't remember the car number though.) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 7 21:00:59 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007. Wait, you were on the Jamaica platform and the cop was on the Manhattan-bound platform? Why should you have to listen to him if he can't immediately do anything to you because of his location?I don't think he was intending to confront you -- if he wanted to do that, he wouldn't have yelled. He would have crossed over and talked to you there. That's not really a "confrontation." |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Mon May 7 21:03:09 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by BMTLines on Sun May 6 22:26:22 2007. I agree - something's going on... |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue May 8 08:52:54 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 7 21:00:59 2007. I stand by my comment " go in pairs and take photos in these problem locations " as long as this problem exists, how hard is that ? schedule time when you guys can rail fan together maby evidently the cops and employees will get it...but I doubt it, but force must be met with numbers and education. Karl M |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 8 16:35:59 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 21:57:37 2007. In other words, sic 'em! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 8 16:36:35 2007, in response to Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by error46146 on Sun May 6 21:46:52 2007. I miss those original "TIMES SQ" pillar signs. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue May 8 21:25:18 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 7 21:00:59 2007. Error's just paranoid by any cop yelling at him. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 9 03:01:51 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Grand concourse on Tue May 8 21:25:18 2007. poor kid |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed May 9 07:33:30 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Bob Andersen on Mon May 7 21:03:09 2007. Perhaps it's because of fear of home grown terror like the foiled plot at Fort Dix that we found out about on Tuesday.As said before, there are too many people who have become paranoid in my opinion since 9/11, and people in general in New York from my trips there have seemingly become increasingly hostile in part because of that. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed May 9 08:13:59 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed May 9 07:33:30 2007. Perhaps it's because of fear of home grown terror like the foiled plot at Fort Dix... Didn't that plan involve a bunch of guys planning to get guns and storm a military base? Anyway, I think a big problem is that the TA tells people to report "suspicious activity" but doesn't elaborate on what "suspicious" is. All I know is that I should consider unattended bags to be "suspicious" and report them. I never do, of course, because the last time an unattended bag was reported, I got one of these and was unable to reach my destination on time via beese or feet. And it doesn't help that the police deliberately place seemingly unattended bags in subway stations in order to conduct legally dubious sting operations. I've seen a few lucky bags in Times Square; there were 3 bags involved on 2 seperate occasions, and they were so obvious that I strongly doubted that they would catch anybody. (Of course, if it was less obvious, someone could take the bag and say they were taking it to a lost and found.) (Although no matter how nearby the officers are, it still isn't illegal to take an obviously abandoned bag; you have to turn it in or something within a certain time period, but it's certainly not illegal to pick it up and walk away with it.) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed May 9 09:25:05 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed May 9 07:33:30 2007. That does not excuse the de-facto suspension of our freedoms that is going on. |
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Posted by tankertom on Wed May 9 10:33:20 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Nilet on Wed May 9 08:13:59 2007. darn! I never even saw one of those things. I wonder what it would fetch on e-bay? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 9 15:44:10 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Nilet on Wed May 9 08:13:59 2007. Nice nails..though you need to take care of them. |
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Posted by LA Blue Line on Wed May 9 15:59:40 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 7 10:26:06 2007. And then witnesses will describe what really happened and you will go to jail for no good reason. That sounds like great advice. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed May 9 16:50:22 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by tankertom on Wed May 9 10:33:20 2007. It's probably not worth very much. You could probably try to use it as a subway fare; it's date-punched but without the year listed... |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed May 9 16:51:51 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 9 15:44:10 2007. Heh, it's an old picture. I was trying to grow claws, but I couldn't get them all to grow long and even enough to file them into points. Eventually, I gave up. I don't have long nails anymore. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed May 9 21:35:07 2007, in response to Re: Subway pics, videos, and also rantings about NYPD 5/6/07, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 9 09:25:05 2007. I'm not excusing it at all:It's just part of the problem that the rest of us who know better have to unfortunately put with apparently. Not all New Yorkers are like that, but it just seems like the further we get away from 9/11, the more hostile and paranoid some people in New York have gotten. Just my opinion. |
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