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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Wed Nov 15 13:01:27 2006 Today makes day 31 if I counted right. Dose anyone know if they did pass the test?Robert |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Nov 15 13:06:10 2006, in response to R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by North-Easten T/O on Wed Nov 15 13:01:27 2006. Yeah i heard it got a 65....;o) |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 13:15:49 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Railman718 on Wed Nov 15 13:06:10 2006. In some schools that's concidered passing :) |
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Posted by South Ferry on Wed Nov 15 13:41:39 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 13:15:49 2006. marginally? |
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Posted by tramrunner on Wed Nov 15 14:02:45 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by South Ferry on Wed Nov 15 13:41:39 2006. So, if it got 65 ... the deliveries should be started.R40ies deserve 100 by their retrospectiveness, robustness, and service. But they work for more then 30 years. ..... So ..... R160 must come in service...... |
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Posted by Jace on Wed Nov 15 15:32:44 2006, in response to R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by North-Easten T/O on Wed Nov 15 13:01:27 2006. They passed. Deliveries already started, 10 160B's have been accepted and may start revenue service this weekend. Don't know when or where at this point. Bye bye R32GE's. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 15:47:48 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Jace on Wed Nov 15 15:32:44 2006. Whoa. The R-160B and R-160A are two different things. The question posed was about the R-160A fleet. Which fleet are you talking about? Or did they BOTH already pass? |
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Posted by Jace on Wed Nov 15 15:56:13 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 15:47:48 2006. They both passed. R160B's were first, the R160A's just finished. The first R160B train has been accepted and is about to begin service. No idea on when the first R160A train starts service. And note that the first train in revenue service doesn't have to be (and likely won't be) the test trains. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 16:08:28 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Jace on Wed Nov 15 15:56:13 2006. Well I guess hopefully the where the R160B will run will finally be answered and all the make the guess threads will be put to an end |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 15 16:13:22 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Jace on Wed Nov 15 15:32:44 2006. I hate you.Now that that's aside, any word on where the first revenue train will run? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 16:16:27 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 15 16:13:22 2006. Whether it is the Q or A I'll be happy since those 2 lines I ride the most that are non IRT.If it is the Q then I wonder if that means the R68A's will be moved to the A? [And maybe the R32's moved to CI.] |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 15 16:17:55 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 16:16:27 2006. I won't be happy riding them until they do something about those hideous seats. |
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R-160B about to begin real service and the R-160A passed too (Was: R160a's test Should be over.) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 16:23:33 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Jace on Wed Nov 15 15:56:13 2006. Thank you for the news! I appreciate it very much. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 16:24:10 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 16:16:27 2006. Why are you happy that the RFW is going away? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 16:33:03 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Jace on Wed Nov 15 15:32:44 2006. Bye bye R32GE'sHow serious are you? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 15 17:04:00 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 16:24:10 2006. Actualy, if the R-160s replace R-44s thru 68s, that may be a good thing since according to most of the T/Os I spoke to, the cab door window does a very good job of eliminating glare so there will be less likelihood of there being copies of last Sunday's NY Times to block the view. Actually, the "drunk's eye view" view thru the cab door window is not too bad and I'll know even better when I develop the photo I took through it. As long as the TSSs and Supts enFORCE the rule against covering the glass it should be OK. As for the lines that the 160s should be on, I would think that due to their automated signage, they should be put on lines that have varying terminals such as the A or the B and the 4 car variations should be on the J/Z and M since I have seen many instances of wrong signs on those lines. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 17:13:35 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by randyo on Wed Nov 15 17:04:00 2006. if the R-160s replace R-44s thru 68sR-44 maybe. But not R-46 and R-68/A. the "drunk's eye view" view thru the cab door window is not too bad Aboveground it is bad but not real bad. Underground it is utterly worthless. And is TERRIBLE for photos at all times and locations, IMO. |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Nov 15 17:14:54 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 15 16:17:55 2006. Agreed. The seats conform perfectly to the back of a five-foot tall person, but are extremely uncomfortable for any other person. I find the R32/38 seats to be the most comfortable. The lumbar support of the new seats does more harm than good. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Nov 15 17:15:07 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Jace on Wed Nov 15 15:32:44 2006. If anything the R160 order is not only supposed to replace the older 60ft cars but they are supposed to add 50 more cars for service increases. They really shouldn't be replacing anything now, they should wait until next year to start replacing any of the older 60ft cars. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 15 17:16:51 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Nov 15 17:14:54 2006. I agree with everything you say, except that I can't imagine the seats are comfortable for five-footers. I'm hardly a tall person and I don't come close to fitting. |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Nov 15 17:22:10 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 16:33:03 2006. Perhaps he's thinking from the view of an average passenger, rather than a railfan... The R32 GEs are among the worst trains mechanically, and the most uncomfortable from an average passenger's viewpoint.Your view is akin to an old curmudgeon lamenting over repaving cobblestone streets, since paved streets aren't historical. Yes, the NTTs have their flaws for ordinary commuters, too. But they are far superior to anything else from a commuter's viewpoint. |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Nov 15 17:25:53 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 15 17:16:51 2006. I was five feet tall a couple years ago, and I found them extremely comfortable if I sat bolt upright. Similar to Aeron chairs. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 15 17:38:15 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 17:13:35 2006. R160 RFV = worthless.Actually, it's not the blur that I hate so much as the lack of peripheral vision. Underground, the columns between tracks act as a polarizing filter of their own, making it hard or impossible to observe passing stations on an express— and that's the best part. The tunnel vision induced by such a window doesn't mean any form of loss in an actual single-track tunnel like a river tube, but in nearly every other case it makes the view all but worthless. (It makes it look like the London Underground. Except they have no view.) I dislike R44s, 46s, 68s, and fat-cabbed 62s for the same reason. |
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Posted by Future Motorman on Wed Nov 15 17:42:12 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Railman718 on Wed Nov 15 13:06:10 2006. LOL! So on a report card it got a D-. Guess it needs to go for tutoring, so it can get at least a B. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 15 17:53:58 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Railman718 on Wed Nov 15 13:06:10 2006.  A 65? That's passing, if only barely! If a train can get a 65, then why do our kids keep failing? It's time we stopped pouring money into failed projects in schools and face the facts: Our kids iznt learnin' nuthin. After all, if a non-intelligent train can get a 65, it's clearly not the school system's fault that our kids don't pass. ...Except the R160s didn't attend our school systems. I propose we hold all classes in the old R10 used for a school training car. That ought to get the grades up! Or maybe kids should be outfitted with CBTC. Oops, did I carry the joke too far? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 18:00:10 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 16:24:10 2006. The Q is mainly R68/A's, A train mostly R44's and occasional R32's. [I end up getting more R44 A's].So for those two lines R160's going to them makes no difference to me. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 15 18:01:16 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 18:00:10 2006. The (A) is full of R38s! Don't wish them away!I might like to see 'em in the Eastern Division, though. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 18:03:34 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 15 17:38:15 2006. But to give the R160 credit, the 'rfv' is slightly better than the R143 and R68/a. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 15 18:04:02 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Nov 15 17:22:10 2006. How are they uncomfortable? The seats, as you've said yourself, are the most comfortable in the system. The HVAC has finally been fixed and works better than what's on the recent cars. The lighting is appropriate, not overly dim and not overly bright. (And I happen to find the interior quite attractive, but that's a matter of taste.)I will admit that the R-160 seems to have finally gotten the airbag suspension system to work right, so the ride is smooth, like on an R-44. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 18:06:00 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 18:00:10 2006. I agree with Nilet. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 18:06:07 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 15 17:53:58 2006. Lol I'd support pulling funds for schools if they aren't making any improvements for transit improvements**note sarcasm ... or is it? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 18:07:22 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Nov 15 17:15:07 2006. They can at least replace some of the cars OOS and ones lost to accidents. Obviously they'll need lots of time to prove themselve b4 any car should be retired. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 18:07:40 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Nov 15 17:22:10 2006. Plenty of commuters enjoy the excellent forward view afforded by the railfan window. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 18:08:13 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 18:07:40 2006. ...of the R-32GE cars. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Nov 15 18:12:05 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 15 16:17:55 2006. The tip-up seats are slightly more comfortable. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 15 18:12:15 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 18:07:40 2006. "Plenty of commuters enjoy the excellent forward view afforded by the railfan window."You mean Brian, Terrapin, Mr. Weinberg and Brian Weinberg, all fighting over that railfan window? |
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Posted by FarRock on Wed Nov 15 18:13:39 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 18:00:10 2006. The (A) has the best RFW wiew out of all the lines. I hope the R160s don't even come near it once their in regular service. |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Nov 15 18:16:22 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 18:07:40 2006. I'll be very sad to see it go, too, but the RFW is a trivial aspect of the train. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 18:18:48 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 15 18:01:16 2006. Sorry, meant R32/38. But the C is more R38's. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 18:20:41 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by FarRock on Wed Nov 15 18:13:39 2006. Only if the window isn't smugged or totally scratched up though. |
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Posted by FarRock on Wed Nov 15 18:54:15 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 15 18:20:41 2006. It doesn't matter to me. A RFW is a RFW. |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Wed Nov 15 18:58:21 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 15 18:04:02 2006. While NTTs are certainly less than perfect, their announcements are much better than those of the R32s. The R32s lack electronic strip maps or the FIND, or any kind of electronic signage at all. They have less soundproofing than the NTTs, and have depressing interiors (I find them too dark, while the NTTs' interiors are too sterile.) Most of my friends who've ridden both the R160 and the R32 agree that the R160 is more comfortable. It's unfortunate that the R110b, whose design was extraordinarily attractive, was merely a prototype.If the NTTs' seats were more comfortable, they would be excellent trains, at least from a rider's perspective... I wonder what Antenna Design, the NTT cars' interior designer was thinking. I know the two lead designers are Japanese, and perhaps smaller than the average American? |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Nov 15 19:00:06 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 15 16:17:55 2006. The straight back seats on the R32s-R42s are far more uncomfortable imo. The seats on the R142s-R160s aren't these back-breaking, horrid seats to the point where you need a chiropractor afterwards as you make them out to be. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 15 19:00:25 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Nov 15 18:12:05 2006. I find that not to be the case at all.And the HVAC might as well not exist in that part of the car. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 15 19:02:41 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 15 18:12:15 2006. On my way home, I usually board the B train at Brighton Beach, where the staircase takes me to the first car.I often -- perhaps more often than not -- see people standing at the window. I've never seen any of the people you mention. Since I'm on my feet all day, I usually want to sit. The last time I decided to stand, Stan Fischler and a friend of his had beaten me to the window. |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Wed Nov 15 19:14:07 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Nov 15 18:12:05 2006. Those are the only seats I can stand. |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Wed Nov 15 19:15:41 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 15 17:38:15 2006. R62s aren't tinted. They're occasionally blocked, though. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 19:24:01 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by RonInBayside on Wed Nov 15 18:12:15 2006. No, I mean exactly what I said, which can be verified by any regular commuters here. Once again, as always, you are out of touch. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 19:37:07 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by FarRock on Wed Nov 15 18:54:15 2006. Exactly. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Nov 15 19:37:45 2006, in response to Re: R160a's Burn test Should be over., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 15 18:07:40 2006. It's quite clear that the MTA doesn't care about a railfan window nor is it a necessity for any train in their fleet. |
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