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Posted by South Ferry on Mon Aug 14 16:09:40 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 13:10:50 2006. AND teh wrath of teh G is a force 2 B reckoned with hear ye~hear ye! |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Aug 14 17:29:38 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:40:34 2006. did you get theis pi er..cop's badge # and/or name? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Aug 14 17:30:52 2006, in response to amNY wants to know about it (Was: Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning), posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 13:37:15 2006. I ran into a member of station staff on the overpass at Ruislip this afternoon. I think he asked me if everything was OK (I couldn't quite make out the question). I told him I was just taking pictures. He cheerily responded that that was no problem at all (if anything, he seemed surprised that I thought he might have thought it was a problem) and walked off, and then turned around to remind me to make sure the flash was turned off.Is there any way to import this refreshing attitude to New York? |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Aug 14 17:32:48 2006, in response to Re: amNY wants to know about it (Was: Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning), posted by David of Broadway on Mon Aug 14 17:30:52 2006. 'Is there any way to import this refreshing attitude to New York?' kidnap the guy and bring him to new york and get him a job here |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 17:34:26 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by monorail on Mon Aug 14 17:29:38 2006. No, Canton Viaduct did not. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 14 17:43:45 2006, in response to Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:19:26 2006. Sorry to hear this. This is very similar to what happened to me out here in LA. Only in my case I didn't produce any ID when asked and I was summarily handcuffed, searched, and ticketed. I hope that you don't let this spoil your fun. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 14 17:46:37 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:40:34 2006. I've never had a policeman ask for my SS#. No way that I would EVER give my SS#. I have a BIG problem with that. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 14 17:51:21 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 14 10:59:40 2006. Keep in mind that if/when you are actually required to produce ID (he wasn't in this case), that the Supreme Court says that you have to produce ID that provides substantial identification. Business cards are not considered substantial proof of ID by law enforcement so he will certainly ask for more. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 14 18:01:22 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 11:15:08 2006. I disagree. Not only did Canton Viaduct not do anything illegal, he wasn't even suspected of doing anything illegal. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 14 18:04:33 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 15:52:21 2006. No.This is what you wrote: "US Supreme Court in a 5 to 4 decision upheld a state (not NJ) law requiring that a person being detained on an articulable suspicion furnish his/her name to the police on request." Which is essentially what I said. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 14 18:04:58 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:25:56 2006. I don't think that it's an active database, but I bet that you get a visit from the FBI if there is a terrorist attack in the subway anytime soon. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 14 18:11:18 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 14 18:04:33 2006. This is referring to that Nevada case right? The Supreme Court ruling was that the police have to suspect that a crime was or is about to be committed. Police can't just ask people walking down the street, minding their own business, taking pictures for their ID. They're not supposed to anyway. |
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Re: amNY wants to know about it (Was: Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning) |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Mon Aug 14 18:14:26 2006, in response to Re: amNY wants to know about it (Was: Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning), posted by monorail on Mon Aug 14 17:32:48 2006. But then they'd have to send you over there for compensation.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 18:14:27 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 14 18:04:33 2006. No. As Easy said, you volunteered your business card (your name) without being detained on an articulable suspicion. The police officer was merely just checking you out. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Aug 14 18:16:05 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 14 13:17:15 2006. Then why is it not a sign of the times here in London, and why was it not a sign of the times in London last July immediately following a pair of terrorist bombings? The terror threat seems to be greater here.Yet nobody bothers photographers -- because, very simply, photography is not a security threat. If anything, it enhances security. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Aug 14 18:21:24 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 11:15:08 2006. Exactly which public interest was he protecting? |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Mon Aug 14 18:23:00 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by The I Man on Mon Aug 14 16:03:20 2006. I totally agree, but if that got got called into that situation, he had to respond.And yes, he went over the top with Jarid. People have got to realize the terrorist are beyond the photography satge, and people have been taking pictures of subways, or whatever, this that & everything scince folks could take pictures of things. Jimmymc25 ps...Photography is NOT an "OSAMA" invention!!! |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 14 18:25:31 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by David of Broadway on Mon Aug 14 18:16:05 2006. I think that our transit agencies in the US have been told by the DOHS that photography is suspicious, especially photography of tunnels and secure areas. I'm not sure how they reached that conclusion. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Mon Aug 14 18:30:02 2006, in response to Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:19:26 2006. I think that the cop would have been in a shitload more trouble if CV just ground through the whole procedure and the cop would have been cited for false arrest or some other discipline. Yes, it would have been frightening and grotesquely inconvenient to be arrested and processed, but if the truth is on your side, you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to worry about. The minute anybody starts challenging a policeman's authority or judgment, they lose the high ground. Yes, cops do make mistakes, but they do not have the same luxury of judging whether a mistake has been made like we do. That's why they are naturally defensive, and have to give the appearance of being correct and in control even though they may not be. Remember: They don't know us, nor do they have to know us, but they have to act with the highest level of defense until they do. Just like with animals, assume all unidentified animals are rabid raccoons regardless of size or appearance. This should teach us all something: Let another party know you are railfanning and taking photographs, this way if you are detained, your mother or your wife won't worry that you actually committed a crime, and that you may not be home for dinner. From the outside, your contact then may spread the "alarm" to everybody else on here by phone or by Internet so that we can come to the defense of the detained in as cordial and organized a manner as possible, with full cooperation and respect for the law. Maybe even announce your railfan trips here. If the "wigs" at the MTA read this board like everybody says they do, seeing your name on here (which cannot be duplicated by anybody with an axe to grind against us or the system) will tell the wigs "Oh, I saw that Terrapin Station announced he was going to take pictures here, here, and there. Officer, he's good." Take down the officer's name, badge number, command, time of incident, location, circumstances, witnesses if possible, time length of procedure, and anything else that may assist in any further dealings if the incident does not go as far as arrest, but you have been harrassed. No, I'm sorry: Being asked for identification does not constitute harrassment, and I am highly skeptical of the claim that your name will be entered into some shit list dossier if the officer does not record the information, or even if he does. Those records must be expunged if you are not found guilty of a crime. Again: We have truth on our side. We actually have the law on our side. Cooperate with the officer. Fully. Everything will then come out in the wash. But don't EVER give the appearance of fright, concern, upset, or worse, arrogance. Once again, with truth on our side, the further the cop goes in investigating your matter, the more wrong he becomes, even though it is NOT our aim to show cops up or otherwise disrespect their efforts. Do not poo-poo the claim that this is "a sign of the times." Concerned railfans will recognize the theoretical possibility that their actions can be construed as malicious, especially by an ignorant and frightened public, and do whatever it takes to assuage the public and the authorities of their fears. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 14 18:36:57 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 14 17:51:21 2006. A Social Security card is not substantial identification either.If he asks for an ID, a business card will do. If he wants to make an arrest or write a citation, perhaps more ID will be required. He will ask for it. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 14 18:43:17 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by David of Broadway on Mon Aug 14 18:16:05 2006. I dont know David you have to ask somebody in London that question...Since i dont live over there im the wrong person to ask... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 14 18:50:20 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by SilverFox on Mon Aug 14 18:30:02 2006. Exactly i couldn't have said it better myself this all sounds great on a computer screen, (sorry old wounds get opened up with this topic)We have a lot of ingorant frightened people out here and its growing... You have to respect the cops though even when they are wrong... Dont give them a reason to make matters worse beacuse remember they are only human as well. In simple terms.. C.Y.A!!! |
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Posted by zdeno on Mon Aug 14 18:51:02 2006, in response to Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:19:26 2006. You don't look like a jew or arab, right? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Aug 14 18:54:34 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by David of Broadway on Mon Aug 14 18:16:05 2006. BNSF has enlisted railfans as additional eyes and ears on their system. They set up a website for interested railfans to sign up. Those who do will recieve an offical identification card plus access to news and information on the BNSF CRS (Citizens United for Rail Security) website.Every railroad and transit system in this county should do the exact same thing!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 18:57:07 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 14 18:43:17 2006. Railman, David WAS in London immediately following the terrorist attacks last year and took hundreds of photos (maybe thousands) without problem. Now he is again back in London following the terrorist threat and he is taking hundreds (soon to be thousands) of photos there and has not had any problems at all. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 14 19:00:03 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 14 18:36:57 2006. If he asks for an ID, a business card will do.Not really. Your name on a business card carries no more weight than you stating your name. Neither are considered substantial proof of identification. I usually have more than one business card in my possession (from various contacts). I could potentially hand anyone of those to a police officer. They mean absolutely nothing unless you have additional ID. Technically, according to the Supreme Court you are only required to give your identity. There is no law that requires that you give identification (unless you're driving of course). That's an important distinction that seems lost on most law enforcement. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 14 19:01:17 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 18:57:07 2006. Thanks for giving me the 411 on that Terrapin.Maybe we should learn a few tricks from over there then. If it helps to keep crap like this from happening to innocent people im all for it. Sorry this is a sore subject for me... Too many bad memories... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 19:10:06 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by SilverFox on Mon Aug 14 18:30:02 2006. Cooperate with the officer. Fully. Everything will then come out in the wash.Why should Jarid have gone through that 10+ minute frightening procedure when it could have been over in 1 minute? Officer: What are you doing? Jarid: I'm a railfan taking photos. Officer: Can I see some ID? Jarid: I'm partaking in a legal activity and I do not wish to provide any further information. Then the officer has to make a choice: either let Jarid go or detain him further based upon articulable suspicion or arrest him based upon probable cause. Since there is clearly no probable cause or articulable suspicion that any crime has been committed, the officer has to let Jarid go or face potential department disciplinary action and/or a civil lawsuit. Officers that know the law will let Jarid go in this case. Officers that don't will hold him longer and will get in trouble and then quickly learn the law. but if the truth is on your side, you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to worry about. Huh? What if the officer started erasing photos? He made Jarid hand him the camera. If Jarid had ended the meeting like I outlined above, the officer never would have gotten his hands on the camera. No, I'm sorry: Being asked for identification does not constitute harrassment Being detained without articulable suspicion is harassment. Taking his camera is harassment. Telling him to put his camera away and leave (i.e. no more photos) is harassment. Being prevented from going on about his legal hobby after it was clear Jarid was not a threat was harassment. Telling Jarid that stuff like this can be turned over to the FBI was harassment. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Aug 14 19:29:33 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Aug 14 18:54:34 2006. Bad idea. We shouldn't have to sign up for an ID card just to take pictures. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 19:34:23 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Aug 14 18:54:34 2006. I'm not sure I want to belong to an organization calling itself CRS, Dan. LOL, I gots CRS already.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Aug 14 19:40:52 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by SilverFox on Mon Aug 14 18:30:02 2006. His time and trouble counts for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?I am writing this from a city that is under greater terrorist threat than New York yet whose police and transit staff smile at photographers and remind them to turn the flash off. The very notion that photography might possibly pose a threat is a foreign one here, and I will readily poo-poo any notion that it might possibly pose a threat in New York. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 19:42:56 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by David of Broadway on Mon Aug 14 19:40:52 2006. Different mindset there, and refreshingly so. We in the U.S. are n00bs when it comes to this sort of thing.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:07:12 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 14 10:58:17 2006. And why should he file a CCRB report? It is obvious the cop was doing his job. Whether it's legal or not to take pictures it is obvious he is just following up on a passenger's complaint. And he is perfectly allowed to question someone on a passenger's complaint. As a matter of fact he is obligated. If he did nothing he would be wrong.Civilian complaints, whether founded or unfounded can very well hinder an officer's career as far as transfers and special assignments are concerned. Unfortunately the NYPD lookes at the total number of complaints, not how many are founded. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:11:04 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:59:33 2006. It is department policy that an officer MUST take down information on any person they stop, question, or frisk. It is more for the protection of the department from future civil matters. The officer puts the info on a form (called a UF 250) with an explanation of why the person was stopped. ie: radio run, passenger complaint, suspicious behavior, etc. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Aug 14 20:11:27 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:07:12 2006. He's obligated to demand ID from someone who has not broken any laws?He's obligated to seize someone's property? If he thinks that those are his obligations, then I hope this CCRB complaint spurs him to search for a job that he is better suited to. |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 20:15:33 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:07:12 2006. He continued asking for ID after I told him that I didn't feel comfortable doing so, and when asked why, was told "because I had been pulled off a train." He told me what I was doing was perfectly legal, but that it also involved documenting sensitive areas of the subway system. He placed my camera in his pocket. He had me go through the photos I had taken that morning. He read me the riot act, and even mentioned the FBI investigating similar activity. Then he told me to place the camera in my pocket and be on my way. Throughout it all, I could not leave the area, and was pulled off a train for activity within MTA guidelines.Following up on a complaint is one thing, and I have no problem with being questioned about what exactly I was doing, though I also believe he went over the line more than once, and that should go reported so both: a) it doesn't happen again, and b) he (or his superior) is informed how to properly handle subsequent situations. Until then, I would be concerned with an officer unaware of standard protocol moving around in the system. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Aug 14 20:17:02 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:11:04 2006. That's the officer's problem, not Canton Viaduct's. Canton Viaduct is not employed by the NYPD; he is subject to the law, not to NYPD policy.And Canton Viaduct can supply his name, satisfying the officer's need, without supplying a physical identification card. (Yes, he might be lying. Again, that's the officer's problem. Canton Viaduct's job, when it comes to his relationship with the NYPD, is to obey the law or to accept the appropriate penalties when he does not.) |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Aug 14 20:17:58 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 11:15:08 2006. I hate to say this, but although I'm sorry you had to go through this experience, the cop was doing his job. You may know who you are, but the cop didn't and given today's atmosphere, he could not take the chance that you were harmless."Today's atmosphere"? All panty-piddling hype. Here is an analysis of the REAL threat that Islam poses, courtesy of Steve Sailer: Contrary to what is being printed in the neoconservative fever swamps, we are in no danger whatsoever of being conquered by Islam's military might, such as it is. We don't need to nuke large swatches of the Muslim world. The United States is vastly more powerful militarily than all the Muslim-run nations put together. We account for either 48 percent or 49 percent of all military spending in the world. That's almost eight times more than that of all 44 or so Muslim-dominated countries combined. (Of course, in the real world, Muslim nations can seldom get themselves combined over anything.) We have complete air supremacy. We have twelve aircraft carriers, featuring more than 80 percent of the naval aircraft in the world. All the Muslim countries in the world have zero. One obvious reason for the military weakness of Muslims is that, despite much oil, they aren't very economically productive so they are mostly poor. According to the CIA World Factbook, Muslim countries account for just 8.4 of the global GDP, compared to America's 20.3 percent. Interestingly, the notorious Iranians devote only 3.3 percent of their GDP to military spending, while we allot 4.06 percent. Not much of a threat, I'd say. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 20:20:15 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:11:04 2006. Do those stopped have access to these forms, let alone awareness that a form has been submitted? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 20:24:44 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:11:04 2006. Sorry, I am not referring to the fact that the officer took down information that Jarid handed over. Instead, I am referring to the fact that the officer stated that Jarid HAD to hand over the info after Jarid expressed displeasure at wanting to do so. The officer told Jarid that because he pulled him off the train, Jarid was required to provide ID. That is a lie. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:28:57 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 20:15:33 2006. In my 21 years in the NYPD I responded to numerous calls of "man with a gun". Most, 95% are unfounded. Many are called in by trouble makers who just want to see us put a guy against the wall and frisk him. They do it just for fun. Nevertheless the proper procedure is to put the guy against the wall and search him, then take his information for a report. In the majority of times it is at gunpoint. Unfortunately it has to be done. This is a lot more traumatic to an innocent person than stopping someone for taking pictures on the subway. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 20:32:12 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:28:57 2006. That sounds like a case of detainment based on articuable suspicion, which is not what Jarid experienced. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 14 20:32:17 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:11:04 2006. From what I saw by googling you misstate the purpose of that form. It does not require that the person stopped give their drivers license or address. There's a box for the officer to check if the person stopped refuses to identify themselves. That form is a voluntary form that the NYPD adopted to see whether or not minorities are stopped disproportionately for minor offenses. |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Aug 14 20:35:03 2006, in response to Re: amNY wants to know about it (Was: Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning), posted by jimmymc25 on Mon Aug 14 18:14:26 2006. might turn out to be quite interesting! |
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Posted by zdeno on Mon Aug 14 20:38:16 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by zdeno on Mon Aug 14 18:51:02 2006. because that in itself, if you were photographing would probably scare some passengers. |
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Posted by Clayton on Mon Aug 14 20:40:21 2006, in response to Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:19:26 2006. The good old NYPD RantBy most people's logic here, I assume no one would not want Mohammad Bin Terrorist's ID to be checked NEARLY as rigororously if he was partaking in the same activities as our friend Canton Viaduct was. How the hell are we supposed to catch the enemy if we do not investigate? Sure, photography is legal. He gave back your camera, right? Pictures not deleted, right? No summons, right? Keep on keepin' on. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:42:37 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 20:20:15 2006. No. However if for some reason there is a violation and the case goes to court, the department does have an obligation to turn over anything written under the Rosario rules. |
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Posted by zdeno on Mon Aug 14 20:44:33 2006, in response to *** What the NYPD thinks about this *** WAS/STILL IS Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morn, posted by Clayton on Mon Aug 14 20:40:21 2006. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:49:34 2006, in response to *** What the NYPD thinks about this *** WAS/STILL IS Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morn, posted by Clayton on Mon Aug 14 20:40:21 2006. ["By most people's logic here, I assume no one would not want Mohammad Bin Terrorist's ID to be checked..."]
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 14 20:56:42 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 20:32:12 2006. Since we do not know the reason for the officer's stop, it can very well be the same situation. There could have been a radio run of "a terrorist on the train acting very suspiciously AND taking videos". As a rule, I always tried to explain the reason for the stop. Not all cops do though. |
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