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Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning |
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Posted by SilverFox on Mon Aug 14 18:30:02 2006, in response to Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:19:26 2006. I think that the cop would have been in a shitload more trouble if CV just ground through the whole procedure and the cop would have been cited for false arrest or some other discipline. Yes, it would have been frightening and grotesquely inconvenient to be arrested and processed, but if the truth is on your side, you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to worry about. The minute anybody starts challenging a policeman's authority or judgment, they lose the high ground. Yes, cops do make mistakes, but they do not have the same luxury of judging whether a mistake has been made like we do. That's why they are naturally defensive, and have to give the appearance of being correct and in control even though they may not be. Remember: They don't know us, nor do they have to know us, but they have to act with the highest level of defense until they do. Just like with animals, assume all unidentified animals are rabid raccoons regardless of size or appearance. This should teach us all something: Let another party know you are railfanning and taking photographs, this way if you are detained, your mother or your wife won't worry that you actually committed a crime, and that you may not be home for dinner. From the outside, your contact then may spread the "alarm" to everybody else on here by phone or by Internet so that we can come to the defense of the detained in as cordial and organized a manner as possible, with full cooperation and respect for the law. Maybe even announce your railfan trips here. If the "wigs" at the MTA read this board like everybody says they do, seeing your name on here (which cannot be duplicated by anybody with an axe to grind against us or the system) will tell the wigs "Oh, I saw that Terrapin Station announced he was going to take pictures here, here, and there. Officer, he's good." Take down the officer's name, badge number, command, time of incident, location, circumstances, witnesses if possible, time length of procedure, and anything else that may assist in any further dealings if the incident does not go as far as arrest, but you have been harrassed. No, I'm sorry: Being asked for identification does not constitute harrassment, and I am highly skeptical of the claim that your name will be entered into some shit list dossier if the officer does not record the information, or even if he does. Those records must be expunged if you are not found guilty of a crime. Again: We have truth on our side. We actually have the law on our side. Cooperate with the officer. Fully. Everything will then come out in the wash. But don't EVER give the appearance of fright, concern, upset, or worse, arrogance. Once again, with truth on our side, the further the cop goes in investigating your matter, the more wrong he becomes, even though it is NOT our aim to show cops up or otherwise disrespect their efforts. Do not poo-poo the claim that this is "a sign of the times." Concerned railfans will recognize the theoretical possibility that their actions can be construed as malicious, especially by an ignorant and frightened public, and do whatever it takes to assuage the public and the authorities of their fears. |
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