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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Mar 6 12:24:35 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by daDouce Man on Sun Mar 5 08:38:47 2006. The FRA needs to be crushed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 12:26:05 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 5 23:46:07 2006. That's a fixable problem. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 12:30:46 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Mar 6 12:24:35 2006. I'm all for less government, but that's an insane proposal. |
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Posted by rashidas on Mon Mar 6 12:33:38 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by daDouce Man on Mon Mar 6 09:33:54 2006. Connecting the Archer Avenue/Hillside Avenue Lines:Which is easier/cheaper? Extending the Archer Ave. upper level to 168st./Merrick Blvd, then turning right to Hillside Avenue to connect to the 179th St. station west of 179th St. or to extend the Archer Ave. tracks east to 188th St., turn north and have them loop back to the storage tracks east of 179th St - Hillside Ave., leaving space for some future extension east of 179th St.? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 12:36:54 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by rashidas on Mon Mar 6 12:33:38 2006. Extending the lower level anywhere is pointless. It'll just act as a shuttle for people to get the E train at Jamaica Center. I'd rather see money spent extending the F line down Hillside Ave. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 6 12:44:03 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 12:36:54 2006. I agree. The E would be the way to go. However, I would think if the Upper Level was extended, the Lower level should be brought up to allow for a track connection between the two levels. I wouldn't think revenue operation of it would be necessary (keep the J ending at Jamaica Center or at best the next station east, however, the track connections would be great for flexibility of equipment moves. And also for emergency reroutes and GO's. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 6 12:50:16 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Dan on Mon Mar 6 09:36:23 2006. I sent you an email. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 12:51:34 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 6 12:44:03 2006. Seems like a lot of money to spend for a connection that would not generate any income. |
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Posted by jabrams on Mon Mar 6 12:56:13 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Tunnel Rat on Sun Mar 5 23:44:58 2006. 3000 feet or more than 1/2 mile, whic is approximately 10 city blocks, definetly a space for another station. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Mar 6 13:55:56 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 5 23:46:07 2006. Just add the 3rd track and redo the Valley interlocking (it really should be redone anyway) as a (partially) flying junction. |
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Posted by xtimx on Mon Mar 6 16:49:08 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 6 12:44:03 2006. but you have to remember that 75 foot equipment can't go over most of the J. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Mar 6 16:53:38 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 12:51:34 2006. It would have been great to have such a connection during the Willy B shutdown in 1999. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 17:28:26 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Mar 6 16:53:38 2006. Why? A connection to the rest of the system already existed. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Mar 6 17:37:28 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 17:28:26 2006. Where? |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Mar 6 17:48:56 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by xtimx on Mon Mar 6 16:49:08 2006. but you have to remember that 75 foot equipment can't go over most of the J.Well, considering that the E rarely every uses 75 foot equipment, you should be fine(for equipment moves anyway). Its the 540ft platforms that would be the bigger problem. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Mar 6 18:34:11 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Mar 5 23:49:06 2006. A loop isn't needed - 179th has more capacity than it'll ever need, and Jamaica Center's can be increased by simply putting a station past the end of the tunnel, with sufficiently long tail tracks. That'd probably run less than the initial SAS segment (probably MUCH less). |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Mar 6 18:45:33 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Mar 6 18:34:11 2006. Jamaica Center's can be increased by simply putting a station past the end of the tunnelJamaica Center's can be increased by putting the crossovers closer to the station. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 6 18:47:21 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 17:28:26 2006. What, via the LIRR Bay Ridge line? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 6 18:49:21 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by xtimx on Mon Mar 6 16:49:08 2006. Yeah, but the J's equipment doesn't have a problem, not to mention that in the future, the R160's replacing the E's equipment, will be the same cars the J will be using (although in 5 car sets instead of 4), but that doesn't matter for equipment moves or emergenciy reroutes and GO's as GO's are usually done off hours anyway. |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Mar 6 18:56:38 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 6 18:47:21 2006. What, via the LIRR Bay Ridge line?Yes, through Linden yard. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Mar 6 19:37:33 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by mambomta on Mon Mar 6 18:56:38 2006. I think he was referring to the connection at New Lots Ave on the L, which is now gone. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Mar 6 19:38:42 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by mambomta on Mon Mar 6 18:45:33 2006. Wouldn't that be incredibly difficult without major disruption to E, J, and Z service? And with that big tower room at the end of the platform, how close could it even get to the platform? |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Mar 6 19:42:03 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Mar 6 19:38:42 2006. Wouldn't that be incredibly difficult without major disruption to E, J, and Z service?It would depend upon whether there are structural changes that need to be made. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 19:47:28 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Mar 6 19:37:33 2006. Yes, I was. It can always be restored. Far more cheaply than the proposed connection at JC. |
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Posted by Tunnel Rat on Mon Mar 6 19:50:54 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Mar 6 19:37:33 2006. WHAT about the flyovers between linden yard&the irt/bmt.did we forget about them already being in place? |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Mar 6 19:53:19 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 19:47:28 2006. Yes, I was.It can always be restored. Far more cheaply than the proposed connection at JC. Considering that you can use Linden Yards for the transfer, that connection isn't even needed anymore. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Mar 6 20:14:38 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Tunnel Rat on Mon Mar 6 19:50:54 2006. No, we didn't. |
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Posted by xtimx on Mon Mar 6 21:08:03 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 6 18:49:21 2006. you're completely right. i forgot the E is almost entirely R32's. for some reason i was thinking of the E still running R46's which is way off. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 6 21:18:27 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Tunnel Rat on Mon Mar 6 19:50:54 2006. The BMT cars would have a hell of a time traversing the Brooklyn IRT, especially west of Atlantic Ave! |
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Posted by Tunnel Rat on Mon Mar 6 21:45:59 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 6 21:18:27 2006. true dat,but I meant only the bmt conn. |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Mar 6 21:51:07 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 6 21:18:27 2006. The BMT cars would have a hell of a time traversing the Brooklyn IRT, especially west of Atlantic Ave!There is a connection to the Bay Ridge Branch in that yard. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Mar 6 21:57:33 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by mambomta on Mon Mar 6 21:51:07 2006. "There is a connection to the Bay Ridge Branch in that yard."And through it the train can deliver its load of lard, How many passengers can get through at rush hour, The railroad has to admit it's hard. The lady drops her glasses on the swaying train; watch that shard! Unsympathetic geeks shriek, "What a retard!" But you know she's just exhausted after all that work, She even lost a poker game in the bar car, on just one card! |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Mon Mar 6 22:00:16 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by xtimx on Mon Mar 6 21:08:03 2006. yeah, but lucky me I got to see AND ride one today!! :D Least now I can say I rode one, even when they are almost never on the E, now I seriously need to keep a camera with me while on the subway at all times, i've seen so much "hard to find sets" on trains..........its scary 0_o maybe i'm a lucky person? *ponders to self* |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Mar 6 22:00:24 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by RonInBayside on Mon Mar 6 21:57:33 2006. And through it the train can deliver its load of lard,How many passengers can get through at rush hour, The railroad has to admit it's hard. The lady drops her glasses on the swaying train; watch that shard! Unsympathetic geeks shriek, "What a retard!" But you know she's just exhausted after all that work, She even lost a poker game in the bar car, on just one card! Either someone has your password, or you're going senile. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 7 08:03:01 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by mambomta on Mon Mar 6 22:00:24 2006. Either someone has your password, or you're going senile.I was thinking the same thing over some of the recent posts. Maybe Ron took up drinking? |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Mar 7 12:41:11 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 7 08:03:01 2006. I was thinking the same thing over some of the recent posts. Maybe Ron took up drinking?It's possible. Even his personal attacks have changed. |
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Posted by mkeit on Tue Mar 7 13:12:38 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 5 02:48:33 2006. Only two tracks curve under the LIRR and terminate at South Road. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 7 13:14:21 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 12:26:05 2006. How? |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 7 13:15:32 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Mar 6 13:55:56 2006. There would have to be a lot of "takings" to third track the Montauk branch, plus significant work east of Jamaica. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Mar 7 13:39:15 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by mkeit on Tue Mar 7 13:12:38 2006. Would that be a good place to build another station? I'm trying to picture exactly where this is. Anywhere close to the St. Albans VA Hospital shown on the MTA Queens Bus Map? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Mar 7 14:33:14 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 5 09:55:19 2006. Don't forget all that FRA doodoo. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Mar 7 14:35:41 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 5 12:34:50 2006. Correct. And the LIRR objected. |
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Posted by Line 13 on Tue Mar 7 16:02:24 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Mar 7 14:33:14 2006. What if you widened the ROW and added subway tracks parallel to the LIRR tracks?Or even build a subway tunnel following the ROW itself. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Mar 7 17:36:19 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Line 13 on Tue Mar 7 16:02:24 2006. I'd think it'd be fine as long as the subway and railroad tracks don't have a connection. But you'd have to ask the FRA about that. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Mar 7 21:38:35 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 5 23:46:07 2006. "The Atlantic Branch is not redundant by any means."Definitely not. Based on what I've seen, I think eliminating the Atlantic Branch would result in significant reductions in peak service on all four lines that feed into it in whole or in part. (Some Babylon line trains use that trackage, especially peak.) At a minimum, both tracks would have to be moved to the Montauk ROW to maintain current peak service levels without overcrowding. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 7 21:42:54 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 6 12:26:05 2006. It's not. You are taking the extremely busy Babylon Branch, adding the through Montauk trains, the Long Beach, the West Hempstead, and the Far Rockaway branches to all squeaze into two tracks? It ain't going to happen. Look at the MTA website, and see how many trains use those four tracks all day, and forget about rush hours. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 7 21:46:09 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 5 12:40:50 2006. Have you ever seen the amount of LIRR trains that use those tracks? Those tracks are FAR from redundant LIRR tracks. The Babylon line alone needs two tracks to full capacity, that doesn't even take into account through Montauk trains, the Long Beach, the West Hempstead, and the Far Rockaway lines. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Mar 7 21:51:17 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 5 14:53:00 2006. How about at the end of it? Isn't that somewhere near the VA? |
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Posted by Tunnel Rat on Wed Mar 8 00:16:29 2006, in response to Re: questions about archer ave extension., posted by RonInBayside on Tue Mar 7 21:51:17 2006. Iwas at the V.A.today,the E layup tracks are at least 3 miles away and a mile from the atlantic branch.Guys,we had this sane talk 2 months ago,remember? |
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