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Fate of R110B

Posted by SLRT on Thu Jan 5 12:01:53 2006

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They should spend their life on the Framklin Shuttle, the last home of many oddballs, including the Zephyr, Hornet, and R11s. They're 67' cars, so they'd he right at home there.

Unfortunately, the platforms are too short, but we van fix that. Where's my home carpentry set...

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by 7trainkrys on Thu Jan 5 12:04:22 2006, in response to Fate of R110B, posted by SLRT on Thu Jan 5 12:01:53 2006.

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They can always do the Rockaway Park shuttle.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 13:18:52 2006, in response to Fate of R110B, posted by SLRT on Thu Jan 5 12:01:53 2006.

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I thought an R-110B car was sitting behind Transit Tech High (the MTA Academy) in Bensonhurst?

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by joe c on Thu Jan 5 13:34:12 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 13:18:52 2006.

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That's PS 248,an MTA training center near the D line.yes there is an
R110B car there.




til next time

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by joe c on Thu Jan 5 13:37:06 2006, in response to Fate of R110B, posted by SLRT on Thu Jan 5 12:01:53 2006.

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I don't see them going back into service ever.




til next time

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by mambomta on Thu Jan 5 13:38:16 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by joe c on Thu Jan 5 13:34:12 2006.

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A "B"-car to be precise.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jan 5 13:54:28 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by mambomta on Thu Jan 5 13:38:16 2006.

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And the two A cars are inside the Fire school at CIY from that unit.

Robert

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by joe c on Thu Jan 5 14:50:17 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by mambomta on Thu Jan 5 13:38:16 2006.

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I know.



til next time

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by R68A - 5200 on Thu Jan 5 19:44:27 2006, in response to Fate of R110B, posted by SLRT on Thu Jan 5 12:01:53 2006.

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They'd have to run 'em in two car sets if anything on the shuttle. The platforms are only 170' long.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Jan 5 20:06:43 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by mambomta on Thu Jan 5 13:38:16 2006.

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Aw, damn.

Ah well, I'll get a shot of it anyway.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by L Train on Thu Jan 5 23:01:50 2006, in response to Fate of R110B, posted by SLRT on Thu Jan 5 12:01:53 2006.

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It sucks how the MTA teased us by giving us a taste of the R110B and subsequently taking it out of service. The R143 is a great car but it pales in comparison to its predecessor.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jan 6 00:00:13 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by L Train on Thu Jan 5 23:01:50 2006.

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What's wrong with the R143?

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by L Train on Fri Jan 6 00:02:00 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jan 6 00:00:13 2006.

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Nothing, but the R110B seems to be the better car.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 6 07:01:19 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by L Train on Thu Jan 5 23:01:50 2006.

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"It sucks how the MTA teased us by giving us a taste of the R110B and subsequently taking it out of service."

I don't think the MTA teased anyone. The R-110B was just a test vehicle for new technology and new ideas. The 67ft. design was ditched in favor of the 60ft. length. The R-1110B essentially gave us the R-143/160.

Bill "Newkirk"

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Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos)

Posted by monorail on Fri Jan 6 13:12:15 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jan 5 13:54:28 2006.

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both from april '05

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by monorail on Fri Jan 6 13:42:45 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by L Train on Thu Jan 5 23:01:50 2006.

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It sucks how the MTA teased us by giving us a taste of the R110B and subsequently taking it out of service


it also sucks that they took the 1-9's, AB's, Q's, C"s, D's out of service as well

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 6 13:45:25 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 6 07:01:19 2006.

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Most people fail to understand that. Being a test vehicle for all that new technology, I'm sure they would be a major headache to keep on the road.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 6 13:49:35 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by L Train on Fri Jan 6 00:02:00 2006.

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Why?

Cosmetically, I agree. I prefer the seating arrangement, and I like the manual rollsign and train identification sign on the bulkhead.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jan 6 13:51:19 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by monorail on Fri Jan 6 13:42:45 2006.

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'cmon, those cars you mention had seen thier day, were in service for a long time, and cannot be compared to the R-110s.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 6 13:52:42 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by L Train on Thu Jan 5 23:01:50 2006.

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What doesn't suck is that the MTA did NOT repeat the mistake they made in 1971 when they bought that era's "new technology car" in large numbers without a prototype to test the feasibility of these new bells and whistles. 35 years later, the R44 is STILL a major headache.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jan 6 14:24:03 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 6 13:45:25 2006.

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And besides, small fleets have not fared as well as the larger ones.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by Subway Camper on Fri Jan 6 18:36:50 2006, in response to Fate of R110B, posted by SLRT on Thu Jan 5 12:01:53 2006.

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Um, the R68s are fine and do their job well. Remember, the MTA doesn't, and shouldn't, care the least about railfans.

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Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos)

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 6 23:37:39 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos), posted by monorail on Fri Jan 6 13:12:15 2006.

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*sigh*

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by Amanda on Fri Jan 6 23:47:38 2006, in response to Fate of R110B, posted by SLRT on Thu Jan 5 12:01:53 2006.

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Framklin Shuttle? Is this line the home of 76th St?

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sat Jan 7 00:10:36 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by R68A - 5200 on Thu Jan 5 19:44:27 2006.

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If that if the case, they will not be able to use the "B" cars in any of the sets. They would have to run them as an "A-A" set.

#3 West End Jeff

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by mambomta on Sat Jan 7 00:38:41 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sat Jan 7 00:10:36 2006.

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If that if the case, they will not be able to use the "B" cars in any of the sets. They would have to run them as an "A-A" set.

You can't run A-A sets. You would be missing necessary equipment.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by monorail on Sat Jan 7 03:27:52 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jan 6 13:51:19 2006.

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since the 110's were EXPERIMENTAL


their days were numbered as soon as they started running

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Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos)

Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Jan 7 12:24:46 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos), posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 6 23:37:39 2006.

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Well, at least they're preserved in mint, clean condition.

Bill "Newkirk"

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Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos)

Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 7 12:26:08 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos), posted by monorail on Fri Jan 6 13:12:15 2006.

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Ah so they finally took out those RedBirds huh? My turn will be up soon again for Fire School,look forward to seeing them.

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Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos)

Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Sat Jan 7 12:45:11 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos), posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 7 12:26:08 2006.

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Thats right. I been to Fire School two times in 2005. The first time had the Redbird in Feb and the second time in Aug it had the R110B.
They also got a R110B at PS 248.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 7 13:01:39 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by monorail on Sat Jan 7 03:27:52 2006.

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Well, in the past most experimentals saw more service than these.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 7 13:27:11 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 7 13:01:39 2006.

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Not the Green Hornet. That baby saw about 7-8 years of service before the War Dept. "drafted" it for scrap.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 7 14:35:45 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 7 13:27:11 2006.

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Yeah, but the R110's didn't even see that!

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 7 14:38:00 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by Subway Camper on Fri Jan 6 18:36:50 2006.

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What does it have to do with railfans?
It had nothing to do with railfans when they threw the other experimentals on the shuttle in years past. It's sort of a waste to have a trainset just unused instead of put to good use.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by monorail on Sat Jan 7 14:38:47 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 7 14:35:45 2006.

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the previous 'experimental' cars(other than the R11/34)
were received by private companies
the R110's were received by MTA

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 7 14:39:23 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 6 13:45:25 2006.

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That's the main reason they aren't used. It would be expensive to keep a few oddball cars around, needing to keep parts for them handy.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by ALP44 on Sat Jan 7 14:45:34 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by Amanda on Fri Jan 6 23:47:38 2006.

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Nope. That is the home line to Dekalib Ave station.

Until then.....
ALP 44 8^P

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Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos)

Posted by monorail on Sat Jan 7 14:55:02 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos), posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Sat Jan 7 12:45:11 2006.

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hopefully, you did not get 'burned' while you were there

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 7 14:57:39 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 7 14:35:45 2006.

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Yes it did. It first ran on the A line in 1992, and was running on the C line as late as 2000.

The R110A had a shorter service life. I believe it hasn't run in revenue service since 1997/98.

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by David H on Sat Jan 7 15:58:03 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 7 14:39:23 2006.

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Then they should be gutted and retrofitted to run with the rest of the fleet..

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by mambomta on Sat Jan 7 17:38:10 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by David H on Sat Jan 7 15:58:03 2006.

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Then they should be gutted and retrofitted to run with the rest of the fleet..

It is not worth it for 2 reasons:

1. It will probably cost as much as a brand-new R160 trainset.
2. Unlike the R11/34 cars, you cannot intermix the R110B cars with anything else as there are no other 67-ft equipment.

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Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos)

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Jan 7 18:02:52 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos), posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 7 12:26:08 2006.

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Again? When I first went to fire school in 1988, they removed a long bench seat from one of the R12s and used it as a bridge to go from car to car between adjacent tracks and the TSSs showed us how to fire a powder extinguisher into the wind. The only other time I went was after 911. The smoke generating contraption under the R30s was the only addition in those 13 years I can recall. They did not set up regular refresher courses for us before 911 and I never visited an emergency exit other than C/R and T/O breakins. I hope they send you to these important classes on an annual basis, like they do with medicals

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Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos)

Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Sat Jan 7 19:33:08 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos), posted by monorail on Sat Jan 7 14:55:02 2006.

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No I was playing the disorderly Customer saying Transit workers suck and I'm late for my date because they stopped in the middle of the tunnel and I had to leave the train.
I sprayed the guy who started the fire with the extingisher. They said aim for the source of the fire?

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Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos)

Posted by Line 13 on Sat Jan 7 20:13:27 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos), posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 6 23:37:39 2006.

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There are still six cars left...

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by Line 13 on Sat Jan 7 20:14:59 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by mambomta on Sat Jan 7 17:38:10 2006.

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2. Unlike the R11/34 cars, you cannot intermix the R110B cars with anything else as there are no other 67-ft equipment.

Run them with BMT Standards! ;-)

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Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos)

Posted by monorail on Sat Jan 7 20:56:56 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos), posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Sat Jan 7 19:33:08 2006.

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hopefully it worked

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by monorail on Sat Jan 7 21:09:49 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by Line 13 on Sat Jan 7 20:14:59 2006.

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use an adapter and find something

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Jan 7 21:28:30 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by mambomta on Sat Jan 7 17:38:10 2006.

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"2. Unlike the R11/34 cars, you cannot intermix the R110B cars with anything else as there are no other 67-ft equipment."

Hey, SEPTA's Broad St. subway cars are 67ft long. That would make a weird lashup !

Bill "Newkirk"

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Re: Fate of R110B

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 7 22:51:08 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 7 14:57:39 2006.

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I only got to ride the R110A once, and the R110B twice (both on the A).
A shame, I really like them. I do like the R143's too, but I REALLY liked the R110B. I think they were the most attractive car, especially the exterior. the rollsign makes all the difference.
I didn't much care for the R110A that much.

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Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos)

Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jan 8 11:10:14 2006, in response to Re: Fate of R110B(fire school photos), posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Sat Jan 7 12:45:11 2006.

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What is the purpose of the car at P.S. 248?

avid

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