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The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by heypaul on Sat Mar 1 22:00:35 2025

I guess I find it refreshing to see a 6xxx series R46 mixed in with the more common 5xxx R46's. Sort of like a distant relative showing up at a family gathering. But I haven't seen a train with both 4 car sections being 6xxx series cars. Has anyone who pays attention to car numbers seen an 8 car 6xxx consist on a Q, N or W train? If not, is there a reason why they're mixing 6xxx and 5xxx cars? I realize that there may not be many people for whom this is of interest.

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by zac on Sat Mar 1 22:17:38 2025, in response to The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by heypaul on Sat Mar 1 22:00:35 2025.

There just aren't that many 6000 series R46s on the Q. I don't think there is any reason other than the probability of 2 sets together is low. They are the same cars even if they've been separated for many years now.

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by heypaul on Sat Mar 1 22:40:58 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by zac on Sat Mar 1 22:17:38 2025.

There just aren't that many 6000 series R46s on the Q. I don't think there is any reason other than the probability of 2 sets together is low. They are the same cars even if they've been separated for many years now.


These 6000 series cars have been displaced by the arrival of new equipment on the A & C lines. I guess they excess an entire 8 car train, rather than excessing 4 cars at a time. Is there a danger of a full 8 car reassigned train set getting homesick for mainline A & C service somehow finagling its way back to its home territory or perhaps hiding somewhere in an out of the way section of track in a fit of pique?

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by gbs on Sat Mar 1 23:28:49 2025, in response to The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by heypaul on Sat Mar 1 22:00:35 2025.


Don't forget that the R46s were all renumbered (not in order) in 1994-95, so some of today's 6xxx series started out with lower numbers than some of today's 5xxx series.

Example:
1220 ---> 5984
536 -----> 6042

R46 Renumbering


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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by heypaul on Sun Mar 2 07:02:53 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by gbs on Sat Mar 1 23:28:49 2025.

Don't forget that the R46s were all renumbered (not in order) in 1994-95, so some of today's 6xxx series started out with lower numbers than some of today's 5xxx series.

Example:
1220 ---> 5984
536 -----> 6042

R46 Renumbering


That's very interesting and suggests a possible explanation for the mixing of 5000 & 6000 cars. Could it be that the mixing of the renumbered cars is governed by regrouping of cars by their car numbers? I will have to do some field research to see if this is the underlying explanation.

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 2 07:46:30 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by heypaul on Sat Mar 1 22:40:58 2025.

I immediately think of Chicago's 6000-Series L cars whenever 6000-series is mentioned.:)

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by heypaul on Sun Mar 2 08:31:15 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 2 07:46:30 2025.

I immediately think of Chicago's 6000-Series L cars whenever 6000-series is mentioned.:)

Let us not forget the venerable 6000 series BMT Triplex cars.

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 2 12:51:31 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by heypaul on Sun Mar 2 08:31:15 2025.

And if we really want to get technical, there are the R-16s and R-17s.

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Mar 2 13:16:40 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by gbs on Sat Mar 1 23:28:49 2025.

Exactly

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Mar 2 13:23:49 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 2 07:46:30 2025.

Some of you may not like it but it reminds me of the 1972-73 5309 GM we had in New York City.

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by heypaul on Sun Mar 2 20:41:00 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by heypaul on Sun Mar 2 07:02:53 2025.

I was out and about today on the Q train..I was able to observe five 8 car R46's and they were all pure bred 5000 series cars. I know that the MTA regularly monitors Subchat, to keep their ears close to the track bed and to the concerns of the railien community. Could it be that the powers read of my concerns and immediately removed all mongrelized R46's?

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by zac on Sun Mar 2 20:53:09 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by heypaul on Sun Mar 2 20:41:00 2025.

No. Not a chance.

As I said, there are few 6000 series R46s on the N/Q/W. I ride the Q and rarely see them myself.

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by heypaul on Sun Mar 2 21:10:04 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by zac on Sun Mar 2 20:53:09 2025.

No. Not a chance.
As I said, there are few 6000 series R46s on the N/Q/W. I ride the Q and rarely see them myself.


Are you trying to aggravate me?

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by zac on Mon Mar 3 11:44:16 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by heypaul on Sun Mar 2 21:10:04 2025.

Of course!

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 3 12:23:17 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by zac on Mon Mar 3 11:44:16 2025.

I'll have to add you to my list of Subchatterers who seek to turn my many well reasoned posts here into a joke.

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 3 12:56:58 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Mar 2 13:23:49 2025.

. Some of you may not like it but it reminds me of the 1972-73 5309 GM we had in New York City.

For me, 6000 series vehicles brings to mind the venerable 1956 C-49 Mack buses.

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Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Mar 3 13:28:27 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 3 12:56:58 2025.

Yes I can understand why.
If I recall correctly we may have taken a ride on that Mack back in 2009 or 2010 when they would run the old timers during the holiday season.

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Mack bus

Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Mar 4 09:20:55 2025, in response to Re: The Increased Presence of 6xxx Series R46's on Q, N and W Trains, posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 3 12:56:58 2025.

Mack bus







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Re: Mack bus

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Mar 4 10:03:01 2025, in response to Mack bus, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Mar 4 09:20:55 2025.

Yes 6259. And then there was a 1973 6259 which was not Blitzed and lasted until around 1991-92

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Re: Mack bus

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 4 11:25:04 2025, in response to Re: Mack bus, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Mar 4 10:03:01 2025.

off topic

take that off the board

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Re: Mack bus

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Mar 4 11:45:16 2025, in response to Re: Mack bus, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 4 11:25:04 2025.

Ha

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Re: Mack bus?

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 4 13:13:18 2025, in response to Mack bus, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Mar 4 09:20:55 2025.

Get thee to Buschat.

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Re: Mack bus

Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Mar 5 10:35:11 2025, in response to Re: Mack bus, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 4 11:25:04 2025.

On the contrary. It was brought up in a previous thread.

It stays. You are not worthy to instruct!

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