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MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 13:05:09 2025 Yet they expect you to take the subway with all the crime.Read how the city created all the congestion they are now charging you for: |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jan 6 13:41:06 2025, in response to MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 13:05:09 2025. Needs trains for service increases… |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 6 13:44:15 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jan 6 13:41:06 2025. A point that's very often overlooked. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 6 13:48:55 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 6 13:44:15 2025. Yes I’ll bet. Especially in the name of having newer cars just to have newer |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jan 6 14:31:11 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 6 13:44:15 2025. Cannot see the big picture only what’s in front of them… |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Jan 6 14:32:49 2025, in response to MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 13:05:09 2025. The connected layer has guards, almost-Mandarins have chauffeurs, tens of thousands with government creds have parking placards. Using the subway is for the non-connected suckas, not for them. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Mon Jan 6 18:14:29 2025, in response to MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 13:05:09 2025. You ignore the fact that all through 2023 and 2024, in anticipation of Congestion Pricing, the MTA increased subway frequencies 6 different times, affecting most of the subway lines. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jan 6 19:09:18 2025, in response to MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 13:05:09 2025. The sad part is that congestion pricing isn't going to change anyone's driving habits. Tradesmen and delivery trucks drive into Manhattan because they have to drive-- they aren't getting on the subway or railroad, crime or no. Individual commuters who drive have already evaluated the alternatives and found them wanting. Keep in mind that a round trip peak LIRR ticket from zone 7 costs $29. Congestion pricing isn't going to tip the balance on that. Beyond that, anyone who has to drive from Long Island to New Jersey can choose between the chronically congested Belt Parkway and Staten Island Expressway and the horror show called the Cross Bronx Expressway; sometimes, travel times through Manhattan compare favorably, without the MTA B&T tolls. An hour to get from the Throgs Neck Bridge to the George Washington Bridge isn't uncommon.Really, there are few alternatives, none particularly palatable. Congestion pricing is simply going to get passed along by businesses and absorbed by individuals who simply refuse to deal with mass transit or bumper-to-bumper traffic on tolled roads, and in the end all it will do is feed a bloated bureaucracy that can barely sustain itself. It will do just about nothing to improve the environment, reduce pollution, or alleviate traffic jams and gridlock. It's all smoke and mirrors without viable alternatives-- and those alternatives aren't going to be financed by congestion pricing. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 6 19:40:25 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jan 6 19:09:18 2025. congestion pricing isn't going to change anyone's driving habits.I scanned NYCDOT's online traffic cameras between 8 and 9 am this morning. Traffic was extremely light. Traffic was moving smoothly. This was true just about everywhere in the City. Whether the snow threat or the $9 scared away people, we will have to wait and see. A single day's data does not prove or disprove a theory. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 6 19:47:13 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jan 6 19:09:18 2025. congestion pricing isn't going to change anyone's driving habits.Sometimes to get from parts of Brooklyn/Queens into New Jersey it was a little longer to go through Staten Island than to go through Manhattan and the Lincoln or Holland. At this point, unless I'd be saving at least 20+ minutes via Manhattan I'll always be going through Staten Island. At the same time, if I've already paid the congestion toll on the way to NJ then it won't matter to me how I'm coming back -- just whatever's faster. |
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Posted by Q4 on Mon Jan 6 19:52:11 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 6 19:40:25 2025. It’s also Monday. Check the cameras Tuesday through Thursday to see if there is a difference to the naked eye. |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Mon Jan 6 20:13:28 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jan 6 13:41:06 2025. I can’t help but thinking years ago some MUs were sent to the grave too early, especially the re-built R27s/R30s/R32s. I know the R44s had frame rot.Now with 68s from CI YD providing IND GG service, curious to see how they are going to make normal service with 60 or so MUs gone. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 20:55:18 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Italianstallion on Mon Jan 6 18:14:29 2025. Wasn’t that just to recover from Covid? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 20:59:36 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 6 19:47:13 2025. If Manhattan congestion is so bad why does my gps often route me into Manhattan via the BB or tunnel from Brooklyn and then back to Queens rather than just staying on the BQE?It’s because traffic on the FDR is lighter than the BQE |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 20:59:40 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 6 19:47:13 2025. If Manhattan congestion is so bad why does my gps often route me into Manhattan via the BB or tunnel from Brooklyn and then back to Queens rather than just staying on the BQE?It’s because traffic on the FDR is lighter than the BQE |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 20:59:40 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 6 19:47:13 2025. If Manhattan congestion is so bad why does my gps often route me into Manhattan via the BB or tunnel from Brooklyn and then back to Queens rather than just staying on the BQE?It’s because traffic on the FDR is lighter than the BQE |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 20:59:40 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 6 19:47:13 2025. If Manhattan congestion is so bad why does my gps often route me into Manhattan via the BB or tunnel from Brooklyn and then back to Queens rather than just staying on the BQE?It’s because traffic on the FDR is lighter than the BQE |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 20:59:42 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 6 19:47:13 2025. If Manhattan congestion is so bad why does my gps often route me into Manhattan via the BB or tunnel from Brooklyn and then back to Queens rather than just staying on the BQE?It’s because traffic on the FDR is lighter than the BQE |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 20:59:42 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 6 19:47:13 2025. If Manhattan congestion is so bad why does my gps often route me into Manhattan via the BB or tunnel from Brooklyn and then back to Queens rather than just staying on the BQE?It’s because traffic on the FDR is lighter than the BQE |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 6 21:56:37 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Q4 on Mon Jan 6 19:52:11 2025. Check the cameras Tuesday through Thursday to see if there is a difference to the naked eye.I'll also be checking the vehicle counts on various roads, and the taxi speeds, when the data is available. That won't be for a few months. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 6 21:58:41 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Italianstallion on Mon Jan 6 18:14:29 2025. Those increases were during off-peak hours. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 6 22:20:04 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jan 6 13:41:06 2025. Any equipment in mothballs?? |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jan 6 23:12:23 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 6 19:40:25 2025. Based on my recent experiences driving past the Baldwin LIRR station around 8:45 AM weekdays, I'm going to say that a lot of people stayed home altogether just because it was Monday and it was supposed to snow. Some people may not have returned from holiday travel either. Unfortunately, I stayed home today too, so I didn't get to see the LIRR parking lot. Usually, these days in general it doesn't take much to empty it, especially on Fridays and Mondays.I'm still inclined to think that most people simply aren't that cheap. Today, you can't get out of Chick-Fil-A with just a simple sandwich and a drink for much less than $10, and its competitors aren't much better. For that matter, just parking in midtown Manhattan can easily cost $40 a day in addition to tolls, so another $9 isn't going to faze anyone who is still driving. Much of that crowd might even be brought in by limousine. But we'll see. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 7 07:12:05 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 6 13:48:55 2025. The fact is that the R-44s and R-46s were still viable vehicles. The issue is that fleet size is "mandated" by the federal government by not providing funding for a fleet size above the current level. Serviceable cars must be retired in order to make room for new cars. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 7 07:23:19 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 20:59:36 2025. But remember. . .the BQE is a free road. The route through Manhattan (unless the recommendation was to use free bridges both to get into and then back out of Manhattan, which I've never experienced) is paid because of the toll at the crossing(s). It makes sense that the free route--the BQE--would be slower.Also, the FDR is not part of the CRZ. "Manhattan congestion," as they see it, refers to streets and avenues, not highways. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 08:13:31 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 7 07:23:19 2025. I give them two months before they start includin* the FDR. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 7 08:16:07 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 6 22:20:04 2025. Equipment in mothballs cannot be used except to replace cars removed from the active roster |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 7 10:07:10 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 7 08:16:07 2025. ...and not to be used as extra "put ins" to increase service. Got it. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 7 10:43:28 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 7 07:12:05 2025. Understood |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 7 10:48:22 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 6 19:40:25 2025. A single day's data does not prove or disprove a theory.Good. I’m glad you said that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 7 14:34:00 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jan 6 13:41:06 2025. All within the state control. Increase road congestion, pile on the charges while not getting additional trains to help. Fascinating . . . |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jan 7 17:50:34 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 20:55:18 2025. Nope. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jan 7 17:52:22 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 6 21:58:41 2025. So what? That’s where the greatest increase in passengers has been. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jan 7 17:54:20 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 08:13:31 2025. Can’t do that without installing dozens of new plate readers. Doubtful. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jan 7 18:54:06 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by italianguyinsi on Mon Jan 6 20:13:28 2025. The Triplexes were still running like tops when they went to premature slaughter. But that was because the R-32s were being delivered so rapidly, there wouldn't have been any room for them otherwise. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 19:42:27 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jan 6 23:12:23 2025. PB & J sandwiches for awhile because of the "CP" fee? |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Tue Jan 7 20:21:03 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jan 7 18:54:06 2025. That's a shame. Those D Types took a pounding and still were more realiable than most any other steel car. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 7 23:09:18 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jan 7 17:52:22 2025. Congestion pricing will create an increase in peak hour demand. That's where increased service will be required most. The MTA's modest past increases since 2023 don't address this problem. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 8 05:48:52 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 7 14:34:00 2025. All within the state control. Increase road congestion, pile on the charges while not getting additional trains to help. Fascinating . . .Not my problem.... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 8 05:51:12 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 7 08:16:07 2025. Equipment in mothballs cannot be used except to replace cars removed from the active rosterThere's a few more R46s ready for the scrapper sitting in the back of CCYD... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 8 05:52:12 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 6 22:20:04 2025. TD replied but yeah what he said.... |
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Posted by alm on Wed Jan 8 09:41:29 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 7 23:09:18 2025. Congestion pricing will create an increase in peak hour demand.Why particularly in peak hour demand? The pricing will be in effect far more widely than just peak hours. There is no real reason to think that peak hour drivers are the most price-sensitive. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 10:24:55 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by alm on Wed Jan 8 09:41:29 2025. Peak hour drivers are probably most of those who travel 5 days a week. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 8 12:46:04 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by alm on Wed Jan 8 09:41:29 2025. There is no real reason to think that peak hour drivers are the most price-sensitive.Here's a link to the number of private vehicles entering the CBD by hour. https://www.nymtc.org/Portals/0/Pdf/Hub%20Bound/2022%20Hub%20Bound/May%202022/2022%20Hub%20Bound%20Report-%205.17.24-FINAL%20corrected.pdf?ver=maKtK7lupDGBPWG3ZRuVIw%3d%3d#page=24 Apply Bayesian probability to determine the expected number of increased demand by hour, with your assumption that conversion to subway travel probability is independent of the hour. |
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Posted by alm on Wed Jan 8 13:56:30 2025, in response to Re: MTA not increasing subway service as Congestion Pricing begins, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 8 12:46:04 2025. 39K entering at 6 AM vs 31K entering at 1 PM is not a big difference. Especially since it says motor vehicles and not passenger vehicles. Lots of trucks enter very early in the day.If added transit traffic were x% of vehicles entering plus leaving, percentage-wise it would actually have a bigger impact on mid-day transit than peak hour traffic because mid-day transit traffic has a bigger dip than mid-day vehicle traffic. |
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