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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 14 09:31:06 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 14 07:58:17 2024. Even so, I will always associate them with the N - probably because my very first subway ride was on a shine new R-32 N train. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 14 11:14:14 2024, in response to Retired R46's, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 11 14:41:37 2024. Why retire R46s when they can be used on the C to make as many trains as possible 600' long? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 14 11:27:03 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 14 11:14:14 2024. I've explained this numerous times but perhaps it warrants repeating:NYCT receives federal funding to maintain their rail car fleet. The funding is based on a mandated fleet size. This ensures proper maintenance and efficiency. The funds or space to maintain a larger fleet does not exist. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 14 11:45:36 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 14 09:31:06 2024. Me too |
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Posted by zac on Sun Jul 14 11:54:22 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 14 11:45:36 2024. For me it was the Q. The Q was all R32 and the QT/QB were all R27/30. The N was a mix of both, the T and TT were R32. The RR was R27/30. All up until Chrystie when everything changed. |
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Posted by W.B. on Sun Jul 14 12:54:26 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by zac on Sun Jul 14 11:54:22 2024. And a few days before Chrystie, people started seeing R-32's on AA trains on the 8th Avenue line. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 14 15:19:33 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by zac on Sun Jul 14 11:54:22 2024. Yeah, I grew up with the Sea Beach being mostly 32s, the occasional (rare) 27/30, and there was a period of those damn 46s as well. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sun Jul 14 15:22:53 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by zac on Sun Jul 14 11:54:22 2024. The Brighton M was also all R32. Only saw R32 and I never saw an R27/30 on the Sea Beach N pre-Chrystie (from September 1965), only Post-Chrystie. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 14 15:25:14 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 14 15:19:33 2024. When the R-32s were new I lived in Queens but my father drove me to Brooklyn near where he worked and I took the Brighton train from Ave U to Dekalb Ave. I'll always associate the R-32s & D types with that time in my life. Of course the R-32s would again haunt me in later life when I had 108 of them in my fleet. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 14 18:06:04 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by W.B. on Sun Jul 14 12:54:26 2024. I remember seeing them on Saturdays right after Chrystie St. The old timers disappeared from that line just like that. I'm sure they still ran there on weekdays, but I don't ever remember seeing a prewar AA on any Saturday after Chrystie St. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 14 18:15:48 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sun Jul 14 15:22:53 2024. Shoppers Special M used R32s.The N did use R27/30s before Christie st, and there are plenty of pics available. The RR used R27/30 exclusively, but did use 32s to meet service requirements. The T and TT used R32s. The Q used 32s. QB/QT used 27/30, and 32s to make service requirements. After Christie st,work assignments were crazy. The B/D received southern division R32s formerly serving the Q,T and TT, and prewar Arnine.Some B and D runs were R27/30. The new QB ran whatever was available within the QB,QJ,RR pool based out of Coney Island. The N retained it's original rolling stock..but as the year went along into 1968,some very weird latch ups were seen in service along this line. You would see R38s from the F line,mixed in with 32s. You would see R27/30/32/38 in one train. Later,when the R40s 40m and 42s arrived, you might see them all mixed in one 8 car train The N line actually introduced the R42 into the system,in a mixed train set. This only really happened in the South. Queens Blvd usually operated solid sets. However, the prewar equipment was jumbled up so much, that it didn't make much difference what was what in a train set.. The R10s were in a class of its own, often running in it own groups. There Was a new R42 set ran in passenger service with 10s. It was ridiculous, and never done again. After Christie st, the east began receiving R27/30 from the South, sending R16s to the RR.. and EE |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 14 18:24:12 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 14 18:06:04 2024. Right.AA and B shared equipment out of Coney Island, not 207.. Anything that ran in B service was also used for AA. Equipment moves were carried out Before Christie st, to make sure trains were available for the transition. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 14 19:58:46 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 14 18:24:12 2024. In the very early 80's 4 B trains would remain at 168th St after PM rush, We'd cut the 4 B trains for AA service. 7 would run and 1 would be a gap train. Everything else would be sent south to lay up. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 14 20:34:39 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 14 18:15:48 2024. I remember the 1969-70 time period when it was quite common to see Borgaschmord trains. The only mixed consists I ever saw were R-32/42 lashups on the D. Even the R-11s were thrown in to the fray; there is a photo of an N train headed by an R-11 with a numeral 4 in its front route slot. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 14 20:36:17 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 14 18:24:12 2024. I vivdly remember the pasted-over B signs on the R-32s, both up front and on the side route signs. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 15 01:13:19 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by W.B. on Sun Jul 14 12:54:26 2024. About a month or so pre Chrystie, I rode R-32s on the D. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 15 01:58:54 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 14 20:36:17 2024. It's funny.The B didn't exist before 1967. The prewar R Units did have a B sign, for 6th Avenue Washington Heights express service, but the route the B was supposed to be part of, never built. The BOT introduced the BB Local in 1940,as the 6th Avenue short line rush hour special, to supplement the Concourse CC rush hour service, and direct CPW local service from 6th avenue. The 32s Should have had B signs, since the cars very purpose were to deal with Christie st. However, the "BT" train Was supposed to be the West End Sixth Avenue route around the time the 32s were ordered. This became problematic,when the Transit Authority couldn't seem to settle on a route plan suitable for riders that made sense. The general idea was to route most lines from the South, through midtown, to outer boro terminals. It worked for the most part, but not with every route. The TA had to quickly order new rollsigns for the R16,R32,R38 subway cars with proper headliners. The 27/30 didn't get them, nor did the R10s. What they did receive were pasted or curtain extensions added to rollsigns. The Prewar cars sent to the East received the same treatment. Some 32s only received pasted signs like B over BB, until new signs were ordered for them. Also, the new thing was keeping the destination signs blank, while retaining the Route signs, like the R40s,40m 42s. The R10/27/30s did not follow this practice, but R16s did. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 15 02:27:20 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 14 19:58:46 2024. Use to see some trains with confused identities.One part of the train would be signed as B, the other for the 8th Avenue local. O always loved the magenta AA signs. Guess it was the color. The AA/K did have its own "regular pool" to support the Coney Island cars, thought. |
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Posted by W.B. on Mon Jul 15 10:10:54 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 15 01:58:54 2024. I remember those colored route roll signs on the R-16/32/38. They had by-then defunct routes such as JJ (orange) and TT (dark blue), at the same time they had KK (dark blue) - and the proposed-but-never-placed-in-service 6th-Myrtle MM (green). Two variations existed - one struck by Transign in April 1969, with their own in-house font (called "Transign Standard") used for the route letters (and with TT after RR but before SS); and the other by Trans-Lite in July of that year with the TA's default Standard Medium type (and SS before TT). One wonders what an IRT version of that type of roll sign might have looked like, and what fonts on one sign maker's or another's, plus all the numbers 1 through 8 used. |
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Posted by W.B. on Mon Jul 15 10:11:58 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 15 02:27:20 2024. It was ironic that, after AA was renamed K, it used the same color as the old 6th Avenue-Broadway (Brooklyn) route that was a major casualty of the August 1976 service cutbacks. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 15 18:36:51 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 15 01:58:54 2024. Although I never saw an R-27/30 with a multicolored front curtain, there is a photo of one such train at Ocean Parkway sporting that curtain. So it would seem a few of them did receive that front curtain. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 16 01:05:42 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 15 18:36:51 2024. The cars themselves did not necessarily receive new signs per se, but since the end roll signs on all the R types and the side roll signs on the R-16s and up were interchangeable, an R-32 end sign would occasionally show up on an R-27 or 30. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 16 01:09:25 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 15 01:58:54 2024. Although it wouldn’t have been ideal, a better solution for the lack of B roll signs would have been to cover over one of the Bs with a plain black decal. It certainly would have looked better than what was put on. Actually, the RIGHT way would have been for the R-27s and up to have both single and double letter readings for ALL the BMT and IND lines. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 16 01:15:53 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by W.B. on Mon Jul 15 10:11:58 2024. And not too long after that, the MTA came up with a new skip stop version of the J and since the K had been repurposed to replace the AA, they had to come up with a different letter in this case, a Z. |
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Posted by W.B. on Tue Jul 16 14:57:12 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 16 01:15:53 2024. Thus bringing inspiration to a future rapper for his particular moniker. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 16 15:29:32 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by W.B. on Tue Jul 16 14:57:12 2024. Yeah..that particular rapper hung around Bushwick a lot back in the days.Him and Jazz(Jazzo)had studio time at a recording studio on Hart st and Bushwick Ave. I know the man, and his family, especially his mom,since she's my aunty. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 16 16:11:43 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by W.B. on Tue Jul 16 14:57:12 2024. Yup.I wonder if he would have been JK if NYCT hadn't used the letter elsewhere? The combo JK isn't as cool as JZ. |
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Posted by W.B. on Wed Jul 17 10:00:43 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 16 16:11:43 2024. We know that in the UK, his name would be pronounced "Jay-Zed" . . . |
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Posted by zac on Fri Jul 19 10:58:19 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by W.B. on Mon Jul 15 10:10:54 2024.  I post this every time it is mentioned... But it was pretty lame to not have all the routes that were being planned put onto the R32s at least since they were ordered for Chrystie St. Even routes that weren't necessarily going to run. Or conversely name the routes that have the appropriate signs. Why did they call it a B and not a BB? What they hell is a QJ? |
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Posted by zac on Fri Jul 19 11:03:24 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 14 20:34:39 2024. The first time I saw the R11/34 I was heading uptown on Broadway and going downtown was a solid train of them. My reaction was "what the hell was that?" I think it was pre-Chrystie but I could be wrong. After that they appeared on the Franklin Shuttle and I'd see them all the time. I had no idea at all what those cars were or for. They were just weird, a cross between an R10, R15 and R32 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 19 12:30:57 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by zac on Fri Jul 19 11:03:24 2024. The BOT had plans to purchase 400 R11 subway cars, for the Second Avenue Subway "system".These are the trains that Would have introduced service in the 1950, if the line was built. However, the City played the game of Bait and Switch with the Bone holders and tax payers. They assessed the property along the SAS route,taxed them. Then took the Bond money, and used it to rebuild the IRT Westside Subway, the Lexington Avenue line, finish some connections, like the Culver Smith st.. Fulton st to Liberty El, the Rockaway line..11th st cut.. and signal/structural work throughout the system. The TA began the section of the SAS in lower Manhattan under Christie st connecting to several East River crossings. The funds were used for a bunch of projects, but not what it was intended for. The thing about the NYCTA, and the MTA..they make plans. Where those plans go..is another story. In any case,no new fleet,or prototype showed up exclusively for the SAS ever again. The R44/46/55 were designed For the SAS.. but Again, the line failed to be produced. The cars WERE built, except the R55..which after some time, went through a redesign, and became the R68/68a. Bells and whistles were removed...cars interior was changed,specs changed to self contained double ended cars. The R11s were rebuilt in 1965 into the R34,so the cars were comparable with the rolling stock of the day.. They could be seen in service on Eastern division lines,grouped with R16s,or solo. The cats were pressed into West End service, mostly the TT, but soon found doing shuttle runs on the Franklin. The cars stayed there until retirement. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 19 13:42:27 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by zac on Fri Jul 19 10:58:19 2024. QJ was the joining of two routes from the two separate BMT divisions.The QT from the Brighton line and the BMT 15 Jamaica local/exp. It also replaced the Shoppers special M via Brighton and 4th avenue. The RJ became the 4th Avenue local Jamaica exp local. The EE was a partial replacement for the then version of the RR that operated via 4th avenue, Broadway,60th st and Queens Blvd(practically the same route operated today). The line offered quick turnaround,less delays to and from the Queens corridor. The RR was redirected to the Astoria line by itself, replacing multiple lines that operated different times of the day, but still causing major bottlenecks along the Broadway line. The KK was the watered down version of an old IND plan for trains from the Eastern Division to assume some of the Central Park West local service. The line only served the new 57th st 6th avenue station,6th avenue, Broadway Brooklyn and Jamaica..and Only during rush hours. The service was poorly operated,more often than not,trains were diverted in service to fill gaps. There were several morning runs that started out from Metropolitan Avenue,but not labeled as MM trains. The MM would have been the midday replacement for the KK... operating between Metropolitan Ave and 57th st. Today,we have a version of this line (M 6th Ave Local) that operates to Queens Blvd, and Forest Hills, replacing two failed subway lines. The B was Always planned to be the 6th Ave express. It appeared on the early rollsigns of the R1 subway cars. The problem here is, the sixth Ave line was never completed. The B would have been part of the South fourth st subway/Utica Ave trunk route. Since This route was never completed, the route signs were not used,nor were they included on further car orders. BB was instead used, for direct connection to the Central Park West local from 6th Ave. It operated rush hours only, and only between 34th st and 168th upper Manhattan. During the early 60s, the TA was in the midst of planning the routes for Christie st connection. Several of those routes made perfect sense,while others were ridiculous. One of the more sound proposals was the RJ, the 4th Avenue, Nassau st Jamaica replacement for the Number 15, and RR. This line was an attempt to remove some of the heavy traffic on the Broadway line,by diverting trains to the East via through routing. The Shoppers Special would also be incorporated into this service. It would run daily from 95thst to Jamaica Queens. BT would replace the BB and T trains on West End. This eventually Became the B. The additional service,that Would have carried the BT marker would have operated from West End to Astoria via lower Manhattan via Broadway. The RR would have been eliminated. The D would move to Brighton, without a partner.all local on the Brighton. The QB was retained as a rush hour supplement, to provide some service to Broadway, and provide local Brighton services. The N would have assumed the Queens Blvd Local service. The F would return to Smith st line, and take over the Culver service. No change to A,C,E lines, except A service to Rockaways would be 24hrs. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 19 14:11:36 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by W.B. on Mon Jul 15 10:10:54 2024. The EE should not have been.The RR should have stayed where it was, the N extended to Astoria along with the QB. No more one way traffic. All through service. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 20 01:42:45 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 19 13:42:27 2024. All the IND R types from the R-1s through R-10s had all the readings for both express (single letter) and local (double letter) for all the lines except for the GG and HH. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 20 01:46:54 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 19 14:11:36 2024. Something similar actually did happen in 1976, except that it was the N that was sent to Ctl and the RR to Astoria. Of course in the end the north terminals were reversed and the Rs went to Ctl and the Ns to Astoria. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 20 09:30:58 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 20 01:42:45 2024. The Holiday Special, in its original incarnation, should have been signed as an FF.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 20 09:35:09 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 19 12:30:57 2024. There is a photo of a Borgaschmord N train at a Sea Beach station with an R-11 up front, sporting a 4-Sea Beach sign. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 20 11:50:28 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by zac on Fri Jul 19 11:03:24 2024. I never saw them back in the day. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 20 20:48:28 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 14 09:31:06 2024. I'll always associate the R-32s with the B and D because of my frequent trips to 6th Ave. There, I would grit my teeth as our F train had to wait for B and D trains, but the B's and D's would always leave first. :-S |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 21 23:40:59 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 20 09:30:58 2024. I have mentioned that many times on this forum. |
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Posted by W.B. on Mon Jul 22 19:36:19 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 20 01:46:54 2024. I noticed, after the EE and K eliminations and the N took over the Continental Avenue route in late August 1976, the maps did not have an "(IND in Queens)" disclaimer for the N in the BMT section (as the K had with "(IND in Manhattan)" and, on the EE in the IND section, "(BMT in Manhattan)"). |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 22 21:33:18 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by W.B. on Mon Jul 22 19:36:19 2024. I’m surprised they even did that since the TA’s attitude post Chrystie was to completely do away with the traditional IRT, BMT, IND division designations and simply refer to the lines by their letter or number. |
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Posted by W.B. on Tue Jul 23 03:23:31 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 22 21:33:18 2024. Indeed, it was at the point the Chrystie connection opened that they sought to rebrand the IRT routes as "A Division" and the BMT and IND trackage as "B Division." |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 23 04:41:10 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by W.B. on Tue Jul 23 03:23:31 2024. Christie st just tips the iceberg.There are other locations that could work wonders for the B1 and B2 division s unifying then further. One such location is between DeKalb Avenue BMT and the Rutgers st Tunnel. Another is a connection between the Smith st Subway Express tracks, and the Brighton express near Prospect Park. Building the Water St Subway, extension for the 6th Ave Express to lower Manhattan and Brooklyn via the Montague tunnel. Extend the 8th Avenue Local from the WTC to the Broadway line at Courtlandt st..less than 500ft away. Extend the Broadway line local tracks over to 8th Ave,connecting to the 8th Ave line. Rework the ENY junction, building a portal, so Fulton locals could use the Jamaica line to Jamaica Queens. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jul 23 13:26:24 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 22 21:33:18 2024. Except that they really never did away with that. Take a look at the emergency signs at the beginning and end of underground platforms that identify the next emergency exit - they refer to IRT, BMT or IND divisions.--Mark |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Jul 23 17:19:22 2024, in response to Retired R46's, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 11 14:41:37 2024. Very depressing. My favorite equipment to operate. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 24 01:20:42 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 23 04:41:10 2024. Some of your suggestions were actually in the plans for the IND. The connection between the stub terminal at WTC and the BMT at Cortlandt St was planned as well as building a new underwater tube utilizing the bellmouths S/O Whitehall St and connecting to Court St, the current site of the transit museum. It is no longer possible to connect the Bway Subway to the IND 8th Ave line since the exp tks have been connected to the SAS. The problem with some of your suggestions is that some of the existing lines are either at or close enough to capacity that there would be no useful way to utilize them. For example, if you connected the Brighton Line to the Smith St Line what sort of new service would you operate that wouldn’t impact on the existing Q, B and F services? The same problem would exist connecting the DeKalb complex with Rutgers St especially if it were done in combination with the previously mentioned connection. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 24 02:16:43 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 24 01:20:42 2024. The Brighton Express would use the Smith st Express tunnels.This would move the bottle neck that limits the service on the Brighton, Prospect Park to DeKalb Avenue. The Smith st line is limited to only 15 trains per hour via F, and 9 for G. G service would not be affected by Brighton traffic on the lower level, and the Houston st leg would see several improvements.. Merging at DeKalb, Broadway trains have the Prospect Park line under Flatbush Ave solo. The F could take over the Brighton Express, and the G could take over the Culver to Coney Island. Of course, the place to build the portal would be on the middle of the row.. but that wouldn't be a problem since the divergence will be in the open cut. The Broadway Local could be joined to the 2nd Ave/63rd st connection..if the MTA wanted to build it. There's plenty of room there for the connection since both rows rise up. Why they didn't do that is a head scratcher. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 24 14:39:09 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 24 01:20:42 2024. Rutgers st would remove the either B or D from the Manhattan Bridge.The Prospect Park Express connector would actually remove the very bottleneck Chrystie st was supposed to solve. Either would be an asset to the system, but the one that would help the most is the Prospect route. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 26 02:00:24 2024, in response to Re: Retired R46's, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 24 02:16:43 2024. The problem with removing the F from the Culver is that it deprives Culver passengers of a direct one seat ride into Manhattan. With the F on the Brighton Express there would be one less express service on 6th Ave since the F would be a local. Doing that would also remove the B from the Brighton so what would provide 6th Ave/ CPW service to uptown Manhattan and the Bronx? I do agree with your take on the failure of the MTA to connect the lcl tks N/O 57th/7th to the SAS since doing that would also allow for the possibility of turning service from Bkln like the R on the exp tks at 57th St during midnight hours like it did pre Chrystie instead of turning back at Whitehall. |
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