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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 9 08:52:22 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by randyo on Tue May 9 03:53:15 2023. Who did? |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 9 08:59:26 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by randyo on Tue May 9 03:53:15 2023. Yes, after, and in indirect response to, the S-P post you replied to. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 9 08:59:48 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 9 08:52:22 2023. Tunnelrat named names. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Handbrake on Tue May 9 09:39:27 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by AlM on Tue May 9 08:59:48 2023. The false narrative continues..... |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 9 09:41:39 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Handbrake on Tue May 9 09:39:27 2023. PROVE IT. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 9 09:55:42 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by AlM on Tue May 9 08:59:48 2023. Yes, but that was after I posted and not whom I was talking about.Tunnelrat, to his credit, finally did name names. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 9 09:56:03 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 9 09:41:39 2023. That’s not who proof or proff works. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 9 10:04:57 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 9 09:56:03 2023. We need an archeologist!If we can prove that the Vikings lived in certain locations in North America, we ought to potentially be able to prove that 76th Street was built (if true). :) It looks like on the one hand we have a well-defined story attributed by TR to two separate deceased individuals who didn't know each other. On the other hand we have surface evidence that makes the story seem somewhat unlikely, but doesn't 100% conclusively disprove the story. And there it stands. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 9 11:23:31 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 9 09:55:42 2023. tunnelrat[me] 1st.posted on this when he [me] 1st.got on linewith names-n- dates several times over the years. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 9 11:25:24 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by AlM on Tue May 9 10:04:57 2023. what surface evidense? |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by R46 5636 on Tue May 9 11:51:06 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Handbrake on Mon May 8 15:21:42 2023. There is one example of an existing tunnel that is completely sealed off and unmaintained, however is unrelated to IND construction but proves there is the existence of fully sealed tunnels:Polo Grounds Shuttle between Sedgwick and Anderson. There's no way into that tunnel, not even a door and several buildings are directly on top of those tunnels. Recently, construction on the Highway above the Sedgwick station resulted in the former station site filled in with concrete. Unless there's some unknown entrance somewhere, those tunnels are completely sealed off from both ends, bringing up the question how do any structural inspections take place considering multi-story buildings are directly on top? If the Sedgwick - Anderson tunnel is completely sealed, perhaps so it what's under Pitkin. My only personal account of 76th is physically visiting the intersection of 76 St & Pitkin on bike around Fall 2020. Road repaving was taking place exposing what was under the dug-up asphalt, along with an extra Manhole cover that was previously paved over directly in the middle of the intersection. I took a very close look at this manhole cover although any pattern or wording on top had been long worn away. Completely sealed around the sides, too. Since, Pitkin has been repaved, with an attempt to pave over that extra Manhole cover again however a recent look at Gmaps appears it's poking through the pavement again (note Street View along Pitkin hasn't been updated since before road repaving however seen from along 76th does show newer asphalt at the intersection) I have no personal say or any further account of any subway infrastructure built there, just sharing my observations. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Mark S. feinman on Tue May 9 12:35:54 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by R46 5636 on Tue May 9 11:51:06 2023. Is Bob Diamond's tunnel under Atlantic Ave in Brooklyn occasionally inspected?--Mark |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 9 12:51:26 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by R46 5636 on Tue May 9 11:51:06 2023. I think you might still be able to get into the Sedgwick tunnel from the Jerome-Anderson end. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 9 13:04:19 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 9 11:25:24 2023. This thread has lots of pictures of what is and has been at surface level over the years. People have made arguments as to how those surface conditions might or might not be consistent with there being a partially completed subway station underneath. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Handbrake on Tue May 9 14:52:05 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 9 09:41:39 2023. Pure foam!!! |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue May 9 17:51:32 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by R46 5636 on Tue May 9 11:51:06 2023. i surely wish i could have been around to see nyc putnam branch sedgewick avenue terminal in operation. i suppose the closest thing today, as far as secondary transit commuter terminals is bus commuters getting off at gw bridge bus terminal and taking the subway downtown. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 9 18:57:07 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by AlM on Tue May 9 13:04:19 2023. Reminds me of Perry White on Lois and Clark: "Hard facts! Now go out there and get me some!" |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 9 18:58:02 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by ntrainride on Tue May 9 17:51:32 2023. Why not Hoboken? It’s a waterfront terminal where you have to transfer to rapid transit (PATH) to reach the center. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 9 19:47:33 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Handbrake on Mon May 8 15:21:42 2023. where are the air vents for the IRT`s extension beyound the bumper blocks at flatbush ave? they were there untill home depot[?] built across the intersection and remove any trace of them.case not closed.where are the emergency exits for the narrows tunnel started by the city in 1923?seems that your research is flawed, |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue May 9 21:52:53 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 9 18:58:02 2023. hoboken is a secondary terminal, true. i like sedgewick avenue terminal because of its long distance to the "business center(s)". also, i like that a "terminal station" was in the bronx. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by jabrams on Tue May 9 23:27:55 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 9 19:47:33 2023. Actually it is Target at that location. But, when they reconfigured the station they made a passageway that goes around the two tracks preventing any use of the tunnel that was supposed to go up until the LIRR tracks, so that area might have been closed off beyond the station with no need for the ventilation grates any longer. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 10 07:22:49 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 8 19:39:42 2023. That makes sense, unless as has been suggested, water in the tunnel became a problem to the point at which storing trains there would be impractical. <When I become "KING" I'd have prefabricated sections of modular sections of tunnel sections similar BUT each much smaller than the East River 63rd Street tunnel, trucked in for installation. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by R46 5636 on Wed May 10 08:52:10 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 9 19:47:33 2023. Regarding Flatbush Terminal, I've been told the exit at the far south end of the station beyond both bumper blocks was a later addition and originally the trackways continued for another 300ft with the space fenced off and still visible from the platforms.Would love to see photos of how this used to be setup. Wondering if the trackways continued into darkness and was actually visible from the end of the platforms beyond a chain-link fence as described to me. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 11 08:34:34 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 10 07:22:49 2023. If there were water issues the tunnel would need regular maintenance. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu May 11 10:40:07 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 8 19:39:42 2023. SEVERAL YEARS AGO A T.A. INPECCTION TEAM DRILLED THRU THE UPPER PORTION OF THE BENCH WALL AT ELDERTS LANE & PITKIN AVE.THEY STRUCK WATER,SEALED IT BACK UP. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 11 17:15:21 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu May 11 10:40:07 2023. So, now we know why the Pitkin Ave subway tunnel was never extended eastward, don't we??? |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu May 11 17:45:44 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 11 17:15:21 2023. no,don`t you think the engineers on the project knew this? we built the panama canal didn`t we? why couldn`t this be overcome? |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 11 19:05:29 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu May 11 17:45:44 2023. If it were overcome the station would have been put to use. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu May 11 20:33:36 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 11 19:05:29 2023. WW2 put ALL subway construction to a halt,HELLO? |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri May 12 00:14:21 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 11 19:05:29 2023. Someone posted an story from a 1938 edition of the Brooklyn Eagle, years ago. An engineering study showed a high water table, similar to the one under Utica Ave, south of Kings Highway. They said, as I recall, that it would take a lot of extra work to tunnel through Pitkin Ave, east of Grant Ave. In effect, those engineers kicked the can down the road and nobody picked it up. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 12 01:47:30 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 11 08:34:34 2023. Not necessarily. The water issue may have been discovered far enough from the construction of whatever station infrastructure was built that it didn’t actually impact on the infrastructure itself so it wouldn’t need inspection. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 12 01:51:02 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Elkeeper on Fri May 12 00:14:21 2023. Exactly. Withe the Liberty Ave el structure only a few blocks away from the proposed subway under Pitkin the planners may have felt that it wasn’t worth the effort to employ what was then extraordinary means to build the subway any farther east. |
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