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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 30 05:43:28 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 05:29:54 2022. NIMBY don't have power like they once did.Their kids want a 1br condo and high speed wifi and public transportation. I don't expect Rockaway LIRR to be a rail line again. If it did it would be lined with new condos. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 09:23:11 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 30 05:43:28 2022. I agree that NIMBY power is fading, but it’s still strong enough. Look at the horrible concessions the LIRR for them just to get the third Main Line track done this year. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 30 12:41:47 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 29 23:27:46 2022. The Flushing Line was built like the Astoria Line to clear 10 ft wide cars.It was. Unfortunately, concrete replacement of the wooden platforms did not include the Dual Contracts 6" metal plate that would make conversion easy. Even worse, replacement of the concrete platforms at Queensboro Plaza, 103rd, Willets Pt and Main St did not include the 6" metal plate. I think 111th is the only station that still has the 6" metal plate. This means that conversion to accommodate 10' wide cars would be a lot more difficult and costly. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 30 13:44:10 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 30 12:41:47 2022. As long as Flushing Line trains have to go thru the Steinway Tunnel, you'll never see 10'wide cars running there. My suggestion would be to cut back platforms from QBP to Main St & have Flushing trains go thru the 60 st tunnel with Astoria trains.Then make a "shuttle" of IRT equipment trains from QBP to Hudson Yds |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Nov 30 14:46:48 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 30 13:44:10 2022. Recently I had a reason to travel to Shirly, NY on Sunrise Highway and noticed that almost all broken sections of the concrete highway had been cut out and replacedDual width plates can be installed after the concrete platforms are cut. and when all platforms are done, a flash turnover can be made. The question is "Will the Train sets of 60 ft. cars be reduced to 9 car sets, going from 550 ft. long to 540 ft long?" or will the platforms be lengthened to 600ft. for 10 car sets? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 30 16:17:20 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 29 16:27:04 2022. Sure, at twenty times the price of 70 years ago. Never mind the comparative length of trains. The B Division will never, ever take over the Flushing Line. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 30 16:17:56 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 29 23:27:46 2022. The Flushing Line was built like the Astoria Line to clear 10 ft wide carsNot any more. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 30 16:37:44 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 29 13:47:29 2022. That's pretty easy to do,considering the gap between the platform and threshold of a IRT car isn't that far apart.The only reason this isn't done today is competence. For IRT cars to operate along B Division tracks, a threshold extenderplate could be installed under the doorways,since ADA requirements won't allow the over riding plates that were used on lines like the Myrtle Avenue El,Lexington Avenue El Fulton st El. It's a safety concern,not a mechanical one. Additional trip hammers could be installed on IRT cars.. I suggested on SubTalk many years ago that the Queensboro Plaza complex should be rebuilt. The Flushing line would be completely removed from the QB Plaza,rerouted to the 63rd st tunnel via the Sunnyside Yard. A new station complex would be built ,let's say a Northern Blvd stop,with transfers to the E,F,R,M and the LIRR. The Steinway route would be through routed to the Astoria line, while the 60th st line would terminate at Queensboro Plaza. Additionally, the Steinway line could be rerouted thru Sunnyside to the new station, ramping up to the Astoria El,while the 60 tunnel could be exclusive to the R line link to Queens Plaza,thus removing the Elevated train station completely. N/W trains would become the new Flushing line services,while the 7 will be rerouted to Astoria from Hudson Yards. In relation to this, the Broadway local tracks would be connected directly to the 63rd st subway junction, a new station built at the Queens Bypass bellmouth facilitating transfers between the all subway routes in the immediate area. This is a master scale undertaking requiring billions of dollars of investment. Also,given the plan to cover Sunnyside Yard with a platform, building a community over the area,the new station would be needed. Yeah, I know it's extreme..but Grand Central Madison was built, so could this. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 30 17:07:08 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Nov 30 14:46:48 2022. If this ever happens, they'll go with 9 cars for starters. The current platforms fit 11 51'cars. That translates into 561 ft. 9 cars at 60 ft need 540 ft |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 30 17:51:52 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 30 13:44:10 2022. However, this would require Flushing Line tracks to share capacity with the Astoria Line. The current system allows increased frequency as the 7 can run as frequently as the line’s capacity can allow. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 30 17:56:29 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 30 17:07:08 2022. That would cause the maintenance shops crazy headaches.Case in point, the Eastern Division stations are able to platform 9 car,sixty foot trains. However, the MTA operates 8 car trains, or two 4 car sets within each unit set. Why not operate 1 five car set,linked to a 4 car set? Time and manpower, adjusting CCTV screens,installing a new platform stop marker..keeping track of what sets are 300ft long,etc. It's a logistical nightmare for them just to add One car to a set. Plus,by doing that,the fleet would be "uneven",leading to a massive car shuffling around to match sets,adding equipment, and so on. What could be done,is additional new cars could be purchased for the line to be inserted into a selected 4 car set. Rather than do all of this, the MTA knowingly keeps the Eastern Division locked in at 8 car trains. Also,with lines like the M,adjustments will need to be made on the Myrtle Avenue El,especially at Metropolitan Ave, and every station forward on 6th Avenue and the Queens Blvd line. Too much of an expense, due to their compartmentailizing of the subway cars. The Flushing line is a different animal. It requires slight placement extensions to fit full 10 car B division sets. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Nov 30 19:58:34 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 30 17:56:29 2022. The 7 has 11-car trains. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Nov 30 20:38:15 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 03:48:10 2022. That ROW built as a 4 track main w/ plenty of capacity for both pax and frt.My main reason for wanting IBX to be FRA compliant is for through routing to the Bronx. We aren't going to build a new Hell Gate Bridge; thus the fleet must be FRA compliant to use what we have--with the fourth track restored. I also envision New Rochelle to (at least) Jamaica for access to JFK as well as 'burb to 'burb commuting.. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 30 20:43:50 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Italianstallion on Wed Nov 30 19:58:34 2022. 11 51 footers that is. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 30 20:50:53 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 30 16:17:20 2022. "The B Division will never, ever take over the Flushing Line."Correct. Not in our lifetimes anyway. When they build a new Steinway tunnel to B division specs, then B division takeover could happen. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 30 22:05:39 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 30 20:50:53 2022. There will never be another tunnel built from midtown to Queens, for the simple fact that the capacity of the 63rd st tunnel is artificially kept low.If anything, the Steinway Tubes could be rebuilt and widened,since the tubes were driven through mostly rock. Widening has been done in other countries and even in the United States, but I don't know if it has been done in New York. The tunnel after Grand Central is wide enough for B division railcars all the way to 34th st. The reconstruction of the Steinway Tunnel is crucial in any case, since the puny rebuild didn't cover enough structural problems. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Nov 30 23:10:27 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 30 16:37:44 2022. thus notion of decking over rail yards to build more crappy apartment buildings in already high density residential districts sucks. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 30 23:27:37 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 30 22:05:39 2022. I don't know about that. As is, widening the Steinway tunnel would be an engineering challenge to say the least. The tunnel is constructed by iron rings. I'm not aware of any successful tunnel widening project where iron ring construction was involved. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 1 00:25:38 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Nov 30 20:38:15 2022. Extending the IBX to The Bronx as things are currently built would make the Hell Gate Bridge Portal Bridge East. Amtrak rightfully is not gonna let IBX, Freight, and Metro-North operate over the line without demanding expensive infrastructure improvements through the area. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Dec 1 01:31:20 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 1 00:25:38 2022. It was 4 tracks when built and hosted NH freight as well as PRR-NH passenger trains. Yes,the ROW from the Bridge to New Rochelle needs the 3rd and 4th tracks restored. Even without IBX this will be true. A fallback plan would be some sort of IBX to MN transfer station (which should include AirTrain to La Guardia. As always,the point is creating more possible routings to give riders more choices. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 1 02:02:56 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Dec 1 01:31:20 2022. For political reasons, building additional trackage in The Bronx is something that should be done after the IOS is in service in order to keep the initial cost of the project low and get trains rolling faster. CSX already has its own big plans for the route with the proposed Cross Harbor Tunnel that would limit the amount of service that IBX can provide over the line in the admittedly unlikely occurrence that the tunnel is built before IBX service starts.A fallback plan would be some sort of IBX to MN transfer station (which should include AirTrain to La Guardia. IBX could be the AirTran to LaGuardia, using the BQE and GCP ROWs to reach the airport from Woodside, but the Port Authority would probably demand a revenue share in exchange if not completely block it, and that would likely end any hope of ever extending the subway to LGA, which would be more ideal. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 1 04:29:17 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 09:23:11 2022. Good point. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Dec 1 05:54:46 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 1 02:02:56 2022. The PA needs to be bridled. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 1 08:22:24 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 30 22:05:39 2022. If I recall, the OP stated that the IRT and BMT should swap the Flushing and Astoria Lines. The problem is that the track configuration at QBPl would make that extremely difficult not to mention that there is no yard at Astoria for storage of any IRT trains that might end up being routed there. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 1 08:24:01 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 30 16:17:56 2022. It still could if platforms were cut back although with the concrete platforms now in place, it would be more difficult that it was with the Astoria Line. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 1 15:14:42 2022, in response to What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by ROCKAWAYNY2016 on Sun Nov 27 22:30:32 2022. Pedestrian Observations |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 2 02:27:04 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Nov 30 20:38:15 2022. NY Connecting RR ROW passing under Roosevelt Ave in the early 20s. Notice the ROW clearly has room for an extra 2 tracks. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Dec 2 03:56:56 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 2 02:27:04 2022. yes, saw that pic before. When I lived in NYC 66-70 I used to see NH hand me down VGN EL33s from the windows of Sea Beach trains. |
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