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Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 16 15:17:56 2022, in response to Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by zac on Fri Sep 16 13:13:45 2022. No R11 though. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Sep 16 16:46:32 2022, in response to Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by zac on Fri Sep 16 13:13:45 2022. The R32s usually stored in Canarsie Yard haven't been there all week so perhaps those will show up too.They used those Canarsie R32s on a fan trip over the summer so.. |
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Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 16 17:41:30 2022, in response to Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by zac on Fri Sep 16 13:13:45 2022. This year's featured cars in the "Parade Of Trains". I will be there for both days.    -William A. Padron ["BRB"] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 16 19:35:39 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 16 17:41:30 2022. Give my regards to both Thunderbirds. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 16 19:36:47 2022, in response to Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by zac on Fri Sep 16 13:13:45 2022. I wonder if they'll be at the points, or in the middle. It would be cool to see the conductor slapping their caps. |
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Posted by gbs on Fri Sep 16 20:55:39 2022, in response to Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by zac on Fri Sep 16 13:13:45 2022. How different is the experience of riding in a real R10 versus the faux-R10 #1575? The interiors and exteriors are the same, and the doors on both types operate with air, so they sound the same. Are the brake noises different, or the smells, or the motor noises as they accelerate? R7A:   R10:  
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 16 21:29:47 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by gbs on Fri Sep 16 20:55:39 2022. Yes, BIG differences...R-7A #1575 has an AMUE braking system, 190 H.P. motors, and a D-2-F or D-3-F compressor, weighing at 82,340 lbs. R-10's have SMEE braking system, four 100 H.P. motors, and WABCO A-1 3YC compressors (original), weighing each at 81,200 lbs. They also had dynamic braking and improved propulsion. with their quick start-up and go. The door release off (them after closed) each sound different, as well as the brake and motor noises. No smells from the R-10's and the later SMEE's. Also, the R-1/9's are not compatible with the R-10's. -William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Sep 16 22:39:32 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 16 17:41:30 2022. William: Maybe I can say hello to you. I will look for you on the R-10s. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 16 22:42:11 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Sep 16 22:39:32 2022. Hopefully, we can meet one in the R-10's. I will be there both days no doubt!-William A. Padron ["ACF Builders Lot #3159"] |
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Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Sep 16 23:01:25 2022, in response to Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by zac on Fri Sep 16 13:13:45 2022. There's an video I saw of an R32-R16-R10 consist being transferred from 207th to CI Yard. The R32s were some of the cars from the Canarsie consist so that explains there absence. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 17 05:37:40 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Sep 16 23:01:25 2022. Obviously, the three-car combo consist of the R-10's (#3184 / #3189) and R-16 (#6387) would not be enough for the operation of that train, and it looks like the R-1/9's will be six cars in length, as they were seen yesterday (Friday 9/16/2022) at Church Avenue during the 12:00noon hour.The AB"s were seen at CI Yard also yesterday as well. -William A. Padron ["86 Street-West 8 Street"] |
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[VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 17 05:58:23 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Sep 16 16:46:32 2022. The video of the transfer move from 207th Street Yard to CI Yard. Note there are no roll signs visible on R-16 #6387 and R-10 #3189.MTA NYC Subway ACF R10 Cars 3189 & 3184 on the Move with R16 and R32 Cars -William A. Padron ["WEST 4"] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 17 08:31:02 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 16 21:29:47 2022. 15751's doors are just a tad different from the ones found on the R-10s. On 1575, each door window has a slight rectangular indent around its perimeter. On the R-10s, the interior door surface is uniform. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by Allan on Sat Sep 17 10:39:23 2022, in response to [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 17 05:58:23 2022. Weren't those the cars that were vandalized not too long ago?I guess they could not come up with replacement roll signs. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 17 21:15:39 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by Allan on Sat Sep 17 10:39:23 2022. Alas, yes!There were severe break-ins on much of the museum car fleet at 207th Street Yard (probably an inside job), and this most likely occurred after Bill Wall had retired and left. Most notably, much of the roll signs in them are missing and had disappeared. R-10 car #3184 now does not all of its front and side roll sign boxes (a very glaring omission), and R-33WF's #9307 and #9308 are missing their number plates, leaving a residue of waxing sealing markings surrounding the edges. To make up the shortfall, the shop forces created imitation roll sign insert panels that will fit into them. -William A. Padron ["s/#3189-3184-6387/n"] |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 17 21:27:15 2022, in response to [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 17 05:58:23 2022. I don't like the winter green and white R-10. It looks like a Kool-Man ice cream truck. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Sep 17 21:53:23 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 17 21:27:15 2022. They did a decent jobI’m very glad they got on the road. The interior is coming along. Nice floor |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 17 22:34:35 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 17 21:27:15 2022. That was my all-time favorite paint scheme. Takes me back to 1967, when I started riding on the subway in earnest and became an A fan for life, thanks to the immortal R-10s. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 17 23:51:07 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 17 22:34:35 2022. Yup. Most agree with you and like those colors. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Sep 18 00:20:31 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 17 23:51:07 2022. It’s much better than what they are most likely remembered for |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 18 07:56:16 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Sep 18 00:20:31 2022. I just wish they'd never gone to that half-and-half scheme that started to appear in '68. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Sep 18 22:17:48 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 18 07:56:16 2022. The silver and blue stripe nonsense? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 19 03:08:39 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 17 05:37:40 2022. Why would a 3 car train of SMEEs not be enough for operation? 3 cars of mixed R-3s and an R-11 ran on Franklin and in the latr 1950s/early 1960s 3 car trains of R-10s operated on the Sunday AA Lcl and 3 car trains of R-16s ran midnights on the Jamaica Line. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 19 03:12:00 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Sep 18 22:17:48 2022. No. It was the same color as the “racing stripe” scheme but the white between the upper stripe and the lower belt was filled in. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 19 03:12:46 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 18 07:56:16 2022. The half and half was still better than anything else the TA came up with. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 19 03:22:23 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 17 08:31:02 2022. The original floor pattern is also different. I know that the rebuilt 1575 was put on display at 34/6 to give the passengers a preview of the new cars so I wonder if passenger comments were solicited and possible used for the final design of the R-10s. |
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Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Sep 19 07:36:33 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 19 03:08:39 2022. In regular service, yes, and in the "Parade of Trains", yes, all mechanically. But in the latter, there was an overcrowding problem not only in the SMEE"s, but also in the BU cars, which is also a three-car event.It seemed everyone was jammed packed inside R-10 #3189 to the point I could not get any suitable interior camera shots, and it was like rush hour. There was some breathing room in the next car, #3184 and #6387 (R-16). Previously, when R-10 #3184 and R-16 #6387 operated with the other newer SMEE"s, like the R-42 (#4572-4573) and R-38 (#4028-4029), during these special events, there was a balance of passengers spread out amongst the cars in the consist. Also, it did not help matters when many of the vintage runs started late. The first run of the ACF SMEE's, for example, did not go off in each day until about a little after the 12 noon hour, instead of after the 11 am hour start. -William A. Padron ["BRB"] |
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Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by zac on Mon Sep 19 10:20:27 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Sep 19 07:36:33 2022. 3189 wasn't all that packed when I rode it towards KH. When it reversed though the whole trainload packed into it. 6387 was pretty empty then. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 19 19:38:18 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 19 03:12:00 2022. And it was a slightly different shade of blue, too. |
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Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 19 19:40:26 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Sep 19 07:36:33 2022. How was it on the IND old timers? Did 103's motors take power? I would imagine 103 has gotten a clean bill of health by now. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 19 19:49:03 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 19 03:12:46 2022. It was unique, fur sure. |
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Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Sep 19 21:22:22 2022, in response to Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 19 19:40:26 2022. I rode in 103 and, I hope I'm wrong, but my ears were telling me the car was not taking power. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 19 21:42:22 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 19 03:12:00 2022. Ok |
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Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 20 00:24:48 2022, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Transfer Move / Re: Both R10 cars are on the schedule, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 19 19:38:18 2022. I was a M/M on them and saw both paint schemes and they were the same. What probably happened was that the earlier ones faded over the years. |
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