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Pavonia / Newport question |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Sep 12 20:53:48 2022 The PATH train station at Pavonia / Newport was originally placed there for what reason - was it a connection point for the Erie railroad ? Where would a commuter go to for a Baltimore and Ohio train ? I understand that in the past the area was an Erie railroad yard before the mall and the high rise apartments with high end stores were built - what used to be there ? |
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Re: Pavonia / Newport question |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 12 22:03:47 2022, in response to Pavonia / Newport question, posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Sep 12 20:53:48 2022. The Erie Railroad terminal was there. That’s why the columns have “E” on them.The B&O used the Jersey Central Communipaw Terminal. There was a proposal for an H&M spur there but none was ever built. Note that a “commuter” would not use a B&O Train in the NYC area, the B&O operated its intercity trains on the Jersey Central tracks as far as Bound Brook but did not operate the commuter service. I would imagine that an intercity passenger would use their ticket on the ferry and would not likely use the H&M anyway. |
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Re: Pavonia / Newport question |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Sep 12 22:20:11 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia / Newport question, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 12 22:03:47 2022. There was also a bus service that B&O passengers could use from midtown Manhattan (and at one time even also from Brooklyn) direct to their train, after the Holland tunnel opened. Interestingly, for a few years around 1920, B&O trains used NY Penn station. |
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Re: Pavonia / Newport question |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Sep 12 23:26:26 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia / Newport question, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 12 22:03:47 2022. Thanks for the information - if there are any photos of the area from those times I would like to see them. I had heard from an older relative years ago that she would use the B&O from Philadelphia to New York instead of the Pennsylvania because a conductor sold her reserved seat and she did not get her money refunded. I wondered how she got from Philadelphia to New York by rail on the B & O instead of the Pennsylvania, and I always wondered what the Newport Mall replaced before it was built. |
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Re: Pavonia / Newport question |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 13 03:57:44 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia / Newport question, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 12 22:03:47 2022. As a point of info, the original name for Pavonia.Newport was simply “Erie." |
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Re: Pavonia/Newport question |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 13 06:23:53 2022, in response to Pavonia / Newport question, posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Sep 12 20:53:48 2022. See this thread for color photos of what used to be there, i.e. Erie's terminal (1861-1958).Rail passengers wouldn't look for a B&O commuter train at the CRRNJ Terminal (still standing in Liberty State Park), but they might have looked for a B&O intercity train, to places like Washington DC, Chicago, St. Louis et al. |
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Re: Pavonia / Newport question |
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Posted by nh153 on Tue Sep 13 08:50:39 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia / Newport question, posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Sep 12 23:26:26 2022. I seem to remember that before the Newport Mall and high rise apartments was built, the Pavonia PATH station looked like it was in the middle of nowhere. Just a few warehouses in the neighborhood. I'm thinking this was the 1970s.Do I remember that PATH used to shut this station and one other overnight? PATH was 24 hours for as long as I can remember but since Pavonia was so underutilized, it didn't make sense to have a clerk in the booth overnight or on weekends? This is before PATH went to automated fare payment. |
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Re: Pavonia / Newport question |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 13 10:35:00 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia / Newport question, posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Sep 12 23:26:26 2022. The Royal Blue was the B&O’s NY-Washington train. The Reading/CNJ also ran trains from NY-Philly until 1983. The Wall Street and Crusader were the names. After the 1967 Aldene Plan these departed from Newark Penn, by that time the Royal Blue was gone.The Erie mostly moved to Hoboken Terminal in 1956, with the last trains using Erie Terminal in 1958. |
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Re: Pavonia / Newport question |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 13 10:36:22 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia / Newport question, posted by VictorM on Mon Sep 12 22:20:11 2022. IINM, B&O service to Penn was a result of WWI-era federal regulation of railroads. |
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Re: Pavonia / Newport question |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Sep 13 10:42:11 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia / Newport question, posted by nh153 on Tue Sep 13 08:50:39 2022. Christopher St was closed at night (and on occasion weekends). |
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Re: Pavonia / Newport question |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 13 10:56:46 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia / Newport question, posted by nh153 on Tue Sep 13 08:50:39 2022. I parked at the huge parking lot at Pavonia several times in the early 1980s. That was all that was there in that time frame. The cost was incredibly cheap, like $3 per day or something.It was shut late nights. Maybe also weekends - the pattern of trains on weekends was such that Pavonia wasn't needed as a transfer point. |
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Re: Pavonia / Newport question |
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Posted by Bill West on Tue Sep 13 14:19:39 2022, in response to Pavonia / Newport question, posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Sep 12 20:53:48 2022. Here's an old thread , the lead pics are gone but it still has some info.Bill |
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Re: Pavonia/Newport question |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 13 15:45:29 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia / Newport question, posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Sep 12 23:26:26 2022. The B&O instead of the Reading, too? In Philly, she would have left from Chestnut Street Station then, of which there's nothing standing today although the railroad line is still there and reduced to two tracks. |
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Re: Pavonia/Newport question |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Sep 13 18:05:46 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia/Newport question, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 13 15:45:29 2022. Interesting:Never knew about that station, which has been for as long as I can remember the 2400 Chestnut apartments. I'm presuming they used the railroad tracks next to what now is the pedestrian pathway there. |
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Re: Pavonia/Newport question |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 13 18:21:04 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia/Newport question, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Sep 13 18:05:46 2022. Could be the other way around, although it looks to me that all tracks may have been used for passenger trains; it was obvious that there were more than two.Back when SEPTA destroyed its own diesel services, there was no reroute from Reading Terminal to the lower level of 30th Street. Also, no plans to resurrect the Chestnut Street station location for such a purpose, even though that is actually in the city of Philadelphia rather than West Philadelphia on the "wrong" side of the Schuylkill River. |
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Re: Pavonia/Newport question |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 13 19:08:54 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia/Newport question, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 13 18:21:04 2022. Damn you’re stuck in the past. The site of 30th Street Station has been in the City of Philadelphia since 1854. |
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Re: Pavonia/Newport question |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 13 20:57:03 2022, in response to Re: Pavonia/Newport question, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 13 19:08:54 2022. LOL, without the past there's no future, O'Brien.And I got the whole "West Philadelphia" thing from my fellow "Subchaters". You think I would dare defy their POV? So in that spirit, I agree with you in fact. |
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