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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 13 02:13:38 2022 NJT |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 13 07:39:14 2022, in response to NJT Selling old train cars, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 13 02:13:38 2022. this the stuff that sat in flood waters ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 13 08:01:13 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 13 07:39:14 2022. Yes |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 13 12:25:55 2022, in response to NJT Selling old train cars, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 13 02:13:38 2022. One could argue that 32 years old is "old", but the rebuilt Comet IIs are still in service and average between 39 and 40 years old.NJT betrayed the public by leaving those cars exposed in a bad storm that was forecasted days before, deliberately allowing them to get damaged. And then they wasted more public money buying more MLVs, which are not so good. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 13 12:43:32 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling not-so-old train cars, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 13 12:25:55 2022. They spent the MLV option order money before Sandy, having to intention of doing a midlife rebuild on the Comet 3.Then NJT thought insurance companies were ATM machines, which they were, until they spiked their deductibles and premiums after they had to pay damages. NJT also forget about bank liens and FTA commitments. You would not want these clowns to manage your checking account. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Jan 13 12:43:44 2022, in response to NJT Selling old train cars, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 13 02:13:38 2022. And you have to buy them all, even though they are not in operating condition!--Mark |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 13 13:51:48 2022, in response to NJT Selling old train cars, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 13 02:13:38 2022. At least Robert Moses sold off some of the old el cars from the 159th St yard, one-by-one. Who would buy all 44 of these? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 13 14:17:48 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Jan 13 12:43:44 2022. hint hint, scrapper come get them. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 13 14:18:14 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 13 13:51:48 2022. scrapper. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 13 15:32:24 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 13 13:51:48 2022. At least Robert Moses sold off some of the old el cars from the 159th St yard, one-by-one.Robert Moses ? I thought the City of New York sold them. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 13 16:11:00 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 13 15:32:24 2022. The City did sell them off. After WWII began, Robert Moses got to wear yet another hat, as Scrap Commissioner. A crane in the 159th St yard lifted the selected car from the elevated yard to either a barge or tractor trailer, provided by the purchasers. The going rate was $600 for a trailer car and $1,200 for a motor one. This business continued for about 9 months until the wartime Office of Defense Transportation ordered Moses to stop. The ODT wanted to examine all of the remaining cars to see if any could be reused for use somewhere. Frustrated by the Feds, Moses abandoned the project completely. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 13 18:39:33 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 13 16:11:00 2022. Thanks elkeeper.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 13 18:46:45 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 13 14:17:48 2022. “These rail cars are not in operating condition and must be removed from the Bayhead [sic] yard location by truck or dismantled on site.Forty four coaches as one lot removed or dismantled on site and not by rail. That's definitely custom made for the scrapper. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 13 18:48:34 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 13 14:18:14 2022. scrapper.Will those aluminum bodies fetch much of a scrap value ? Think of all those soda cans these cars would produce. lol Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jan 13 18:49:48 2022, in response to NJT Selling old train cars, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 13 02:13:38 2022. I assume their frames are shot too otherwise I would suggest LIRR buy them, strip them down to bone and rebuild them to use during the summer when there's increased demand to Hamptons. But these cars bodies are probably a lost cause |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jan 13 18:53:47 2022, in response to NJT Selling old train cars, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 13 02:13:38 2022. Speaking of NJT, I was in Hoboken today and stopped by the terminal to take a leak and noticed an departure to Dover and was surprised to find out it uses Arrow 3 equipment, three cars. Thought for sure that an run like that would be handled by push pull trainset.The more you know! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 13 19:08:23 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jan 13 18:49:48 2022. Its like buying a "flood car" from a used car lot. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 13 19:47:05 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 13 19:08:23 2022. Worse than that. The cars have gone nowhere since 2010 or so. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 13 19:53:37 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jan 13 18:49:48 2022. assume their frames are shot too otherwise I would suggest LIRR buy them, strip them down to bone and rebuild them to use during the summer when there's increased demand to Hamptons. But these cars bodies are probably a lost causeA while back, ducthrailnut explained that even for NJT it would be cost prohibitive to rebuild them for service. It would be cheaper to buy new coaches. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 13 20:18:47 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 13 19:53:37 2022. each coach would need trucks totally rebuild , all air valves all underbody electric including relay boxes, battery chargers, wheel slip systems, 480 volt HEP junction boxes and all associated Breaker boxes. and probably a lot of corroded piping, my best estimate would be 1 to 1.2 million per coach and 1.6 million per cab car, on top of purchase price. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 13 20:22:47 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 13 19:47:05 2022. By Larry Higgs | NJ Advance Media for NJ.comA fleet of old Comet III rail cars that NJ Transit sidelined for 13 years in a train yard in Bay Head — and were destroyed by Hurricane Sandy — are about to make their last trip to the scrap yard. Before that happens, NJ Transit received a parting gift from the Federal Transit Administration. The state agency won’t be assessed for the FTA financial interest in the railcars that the federal administration helped purchase because of the damage sustained by Sandy while parked at the end of the North Jersey Coast Line. On Jan. 19, NJ Transit is scheduled to take bids on the fleet of 44 Comet III trains that the agency said are “not in operating condition” and must be removed “by truck or dismantled on site,” according to the documentation of the request on the agency’s procurement page. The fleet of Comet III railcars was retired in 2008 after the first multi-level railcars were bought in 2006. But four years after they were parked in Bay Head, they were damaged by flooding during Hurricane Sandy in October 2012. A total of 49 Comet III railcars were purchased for $44.3 million in 1990 with $31.9 million in federal assistance. Based on that investment, the FTA had a 72% interest in the Comet III cars, said Stephen Goodman, FTA Region 2 Regional Administrator. However, because the railcars — which were entered into service in 1991 and were retired before the 25 years of useful service life that the FTA has for the equipment— were damaged by the storm, the FTA waived the useful life requirement, Goodman said in a statement. “For the damaged 46 Comet III rail cars for which FTA waived the useful life and for the three undamaged Comet III rail cars that met their useful life, there is no further federal interest beyond the disposition requirements,” he said. This means NJ Transit won’t be assessed for the remaining financial interest the FTA has in the equipment. But if NJ Transit earns more than $5,000 per car, it will have to “reimburse FTA approximately 72% of the proceeds of the sales of each,” according to the March 2013 decision. Typically, transit agencies sell retired equipment by auction soon after it is replaced. That was the case last December when NJ Transit listed 20 retired Neoplan articulated buses that were replaced with newer vehicles in 2020. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 14 07:15:50 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 13 20:22:47 2022. Remains to be seen if anyone is allowed to buy the 3 undamaged cars.I think MN took posession of their 2 cars, sitting in dead storage in Croton Harmon. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 14 07:16:58 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 13 20:18:47 2022. Did the engineer's corner of the cab car have a door and a trap ? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 07:55:21 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 14 07:15:50 2022. correct they were slated to become new inspection train but no funding had these two cars deteriorate fast. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 07:56:22 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 14 07:16:58 2022. only a few of MN cab cars have no door or trap , 90% do. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 14 08:04:49 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 07:56:22 2022. What about the NJT COmet 3 ? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 08:58:30 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 14 08:04:49 2022. the two MN ownes ? not sure believe they do not have door on Engineers side . not even sure if cars are still there . |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 09:04:53 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 08:58:30 2022. they may have left forOhio with wrecked Spuyten Duyvil cars, not sure. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 09:29:37 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 09:04:53 2022. https://www.facebook.com/tranportNY/photos/pcb.1018024935317441/1018024865317448/ |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 09:33:34 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 09:29:37 2022. just got word they are still in Harmon . |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 14 09:36:44 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 09:33:34 2022. I guess they are sitting tight for bank liens and FTA funds to wear off, don't want their name in the media like NJT. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 09:39:08 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 14 09:36:44 2022. they had plans for them to be next inspection train but lack of funding stopped that project. https://vergarastudio.com/index.php/projects/mnrr-inspection-train.html |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 14 09:41:43 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 07:55:21 2022. Why did the cars deteriorate so fast? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 14 09:45:03 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jan 13 20:18:47 2022. Would it have cost less if the cars had been restored right after Sandy? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 09:46:00 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 07:55:21 2022. no maintenance for over 15 years ?rubber like valve seals etc. , air suspension etc. all just disintegrates. electrical components get borrowed . |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 14 09:47:54 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 09:46:00 2022. OK, thanks. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 09:48:08 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 14 09:45:03 2022. no damage was done. salt water starts corrosion and renders electrical components useless, and cars were already out of service due to influx of MLV's . |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 14 09:49:53 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 09:46:00 2022. So that means the various museum cars get this stuff replaced regularly? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 14 09:53:33 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jan 13 18:49:48 2022. If those cars could have been repaired, they would have been great for my idea of a reserve fleet shared between MN and the LIRR. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jan 14 13:14:23 2022, in response to Re: NJT Selling old train cars, posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 14 09:49:53 2022. air valves every 3 years I believe , truck overhauls including air suspension something like 10 year. |
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