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Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 23 19:57:41 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Joe V on Sun May 23 19:55:09 2021. There isn't much parking at Fordham, and it has a fairly large market. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 23 20:24:13 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by AlM on Sun May 23 19:57:41 2021. This is in a narrow spit of land, the barrier being a highway, not the distance. Over dependence on a bus will limit ridership. |
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Posted by Bill West on Sun May 23 20:27:05 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun May 23 09:08:45 2021. I was thinking the 3rd rail would reach 1.5 miles to Bowery Bay as that is where the existing phase break is. At Pelham on the way to Mt Vernon there is a 180' gap with neither 3rd rail nor live cat, just 0.4 miles of dead cat west as a glide wire for insuring the pan gets lowered. At Bowery there is an 80' dead wire gap with neither 25 nor 60 Hz. In that case I wonder how things will be spaced as maybe letting a 60hz only pan glide west onto live 25hz wire might not be okay even if the car has gone to DC power. Details details.Bill |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 23 20:28:20 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Joe V on Sun May 23 20:24:13 2021. Over dependence on a bus will limit ridership.The current Fordham ridership is extremely dependent on buses. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 23 20:30:45 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Bill West on Sun May 23 20:27:05 2021. At Pelham on the way to Mt Vernon there is a 180' gap with neither 3rd rail nor live catAny idea why no overlap? This was a relatively recent design decision. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 23 20:32:03 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Joe V on Sun May 23 20:24:13 2021. There is no barrier. There is already bus service on Erskine Place. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun May 23 20:39:32 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Joe V on Sun May 23 20:24:13 2021. Bus service can easily be increased depending on demand and ridership. |
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Posted by Bill West on Sun May 23 20:42:07 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by AlM on Sun May 23 20:30:45 2021. Force a power off before starting the changeover??Bill |
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Posted by Q23 on Sun May 23 21:34:54 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Joe V on Fri May 21 06:39:39 2021. With that setup, the BxM7 will still remain the optimal commuter travel mode in that area for most people in Co-Op City. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 23 21:37:40 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 23 19:09:31 2021. Pwn3d |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 23 21:39:14 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 23 20:32:03 2021. Exactly. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun May 23 21:50:48 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 23 20:32:03 2021. There is plenty of bus service at the other end of Erskine Place, which is about 1/4 mile from the station location.Erskine Place at the station is an on-ramp for southbound I-95 and an off-ramp for southbound I-95, which makes it not particularly bus friendly (the only bus that appears to use that stretch is the City Island bound Bx29). I don't think it is as bad as Joe makes it out to be, but it isn't very good. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Sun May 23 23:54:37 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Charles G on Sun May 23 21:50:48 2021. Why no stations were proposed in Queens? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 24 00:20:26 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Nyctransitman on Sun May 23 23:54:37 2021. How slow do you want it to go, if it ever runs? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 24 00:32:46 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Nyctransitman on Sun May 23 23:54:37 2021. Because that part of queens has subway service to GCT? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 24 01:52:17 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Nyctransitman on Sun May 23 23:54:37 2021. Good point. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 24 02:47:55 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 24 01:52:17 2021. Like I told him, how slow do you want the trains to go?May as well reopen the old underground stations under Park Avenue on Metro-North then. And why not build stations in western Jersey City on the Northeast Corridor too? or the stations near and within Newark that were closed on NJT's Morristown Line and Montclair Branch (Harrison, Roseville Avenue, Grove Street, Ampere)? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 24 04:21:35 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 24 02:47:55 2021. You're right about speed.He brings up a valid point about Queens residents and you bring up a valid point about speed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 24 06:06:10 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 24 00:32:46 2021. The part over the Astoria line is too high. Further south is too close to Manhattan to make any time difference with rapid tarnsit. As it is, LIRR carries few passengers entirely between NYPS and Woodside. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 24 06:06:46 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Q23 on Sun May 23 21:34:54 2021. True. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon May 24 07:39:23 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Joe V on Mon May 24 06:06:10 2021. Yes, but...You're being too Manhattan focused on the question and are ignoring anyone who wants to travel between just Queens and The Bronx. For a good 16 years in the 70s and 80s, my grandfather was an instructor at the NYPD range at Rodman's Neck. If such an operation had existed during his time there, if it also had a queens station, it would have been quite convenient for him. A short walk to the Q39, train up to Co-op City, and then the Bx29 to the range. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 24 08:02:59 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by The Silence on Mon May 24 07:39:23 2021. I suppose they could place a staion between 30th and 31st Avenue, though the only bus interface would be the Q18. I can't imagine how they can wedge one in any further north.It'll be like New Jersey. All too often, the only way to travel intra-state by train or bus is into PABT or NYPS and back out. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon May 24 08:26:06 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Charles G on Sun May 23 21:50:48 2021. What isn't very good?- The ability to walk there from anywhere except one section of Co-op City? I think we're all agreed on that, but only Joe seems to consider that a fatal flaw. - The ability to run a bus there from anywhere other than Co-op City? Mostly agreed, though it looks like a bus could come from Gun Hill Road and exit onto Pelham Parkway, which might be hard to make into a useful route. But again, is that such a serious flaw? It seems like the ability to serve all of Co-op City with just a short bus ride is already worthwhile for the access it provides to jobs in the New Rochelle to Stamford corridor. And express buses are slower than trains. Some people will use it to get to Manhattan, just like Fordham, BG, Williamsbridge, Woodlawn, Wakefield, Marble Hill, Spuyten Duyvil, and Riverdale are used for that purpose, despite cheaper alternatives. Riverdale and Spuyten Duyvil aren't exactly easy stations to get to either. |
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Posted by Asgard on Mon May 24 10:22:23 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Q23 on Sun May 23 21:34:54 2021. For those commuting to Manhattan. I expect a great deal of the traffic will be reverse commuters to eastern Westchester and Connecticut |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 24 10:55:44 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Q23 on Sun May 23 21:34:54 2021. I wouldn’t be surprised if a bus to the station and then MN would be faster than the BxM7. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Mon May 24 10:58:32 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Q23 on Sun May 23 21:34:54 2021. Shout they be eliminating the polluting costly express bus . Climate change people |
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Posted by Charles G on Mon May 24 11:11:48 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by AlM on Mon May 24 08:26:06 2021. I think the location of the bus stops would have to move further south/west on Erskine Place for them to be truly user-friendly connections. That is not a trivial exercise -- given the residential nature of that little neighborhood and the configuration of Erskine Place at the station location.That's what I'm referring to as "not very good". It means that the bus connections from the rest of Co-op city may not be as effective as some are assuming. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 24 11:24:35 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Charles G on Mon May 24 11:11:48 2021. The devil is in the details. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 24 11:27:50 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 24 10:55:44 2021. Faster to where ? Depends on where people on the BxM7 are now headed, and if NYPS would suffice. If they want the GCT area, or anywhere that entails a subway transfer,maybe not. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon May 24 11:49:46 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Charles G on Mon May 24 11:11:48 2021. It means that the bus connections from the rest of Co-op city may not be as effective as some are assuming.Agreed that some work is needed to move the bus stop farther west. But the space seems to be there. Also, the west-most block of Erskine Place is not residential, so they Nimby noise should be diminshed. |
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Posted by Charles G on Mon May 24 12:09:28 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by AlM on Mon May 24 11:49:46 2021. No, but you need a place to turn the buses around. The most likely approach would be to loop them around Palmer Ave and DeReimer Ave - those are residential streets and I assume there would be considerable opposition.Once something goes west of DeReimer Avenue (which is the easternmost access point for the station), it is headed onto Southbound I-95. There is space west of DeReimer, but no way to turn something around. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon May 24 12:36:21 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Charles G on Mon May 24 12:09:28 2021. There's room to build a fairly tight turnaround west of the Thruway. Not a high traffic area, so if a bus had to slow down considerably to make a tight 270 degree right hand turn followed by a 90 degree left, there wouldn't be much traffic to object.Else condemn part of the parking lot north of Erskine and west of Dereimer, and use DeReimer, Bassett, and condemned land for a turnaround. |
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Posted by Q23 on Mon May 24 13:04:56 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 24 10:55:44 2021. MN would be faster to get into Manhattan from that lower section of Co-Op City, but that's basically it. You only have the transfers to the West Side lines at Penn Station, although the (E) serves the 53rd Street corridor. But there's no transfers from the railroad to the subway, so that means an additional fare, and multiple transfers (whereas the BxM7 is a cheaper ride, and a one seat ride). There may be a small group of current riders who may see some benefit, but it really depends where people are trying to go.The BxM7 caters to those going to the East Side/Midtown and Harlem, so the MN setup would not be ideal for the vast majority of them, especially those in northern Co-op City. The BxM7 is just as frequent or more frequent than local bus service (including during off-peak periods), and it also serves Einstein Loop directly (which local buses don't). |
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Posted by Q23 on Mon May 24 13:06:28 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Asgard on Mon May 24 10:22:23 2021. Right. Yeah for those who are going to Westchester, it would be nice to have (since they wouldn't have to either trek out to Fordham or go to Pelham Bay for the BL-45 (the latter which I don't think happens much at all). |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Mon May 24 13:07:51 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Bill West on Sun May 23 20:27:05 2021. 1.5 miles uphill on DC, with those M8 barges, then letting them coast.25hz on the pan might fuck with the potential xfmrs, and a few other things. Of, course, this would have been sidestepped if Amtrak went to 60Hz like they told everyone they were gong to. But for agency that can't even get platform lengths right, I'm not expecting them to understand electricity. Supposedly the entire Penn Station area (and PATH), floats on a weird DC bias because of the AC/DC intermix, and the FRA doesn't like it(probably because they can't understand it(, and it makes signalling difficult. Why not use axle counters? Who knows? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon May 24 13:10:33 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Q23 on Mon May 24 13:04:56 2021. For the train to be a good idea, it has to be reasonably convenient at one end or the other.- If you live near the train, it's probably great for getting to a fairly wide range of midtown areas. - If you're going to somewhere near Penn, you're probably willing to make an effort to get to the train on the Bronx end. - If neither of the above, then of course there's a very good chance the bus is better. No one is saying this station is for everyone in Co-op City; however there have been posts in this thread that claimed it was essentially useless. And that's pure nonsense. |
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Posted by Bill West on Mon May 24 14:44:42 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by nasadowsk on Mon May 24 13:07:51 2021. "Potential transformers" -exactly my thought. Current transformers and the lighting arrestor's ability to carry an arc for 1/2 of the longer 25 HZ cycle too.That DC float/offset in NYP creates a 4th harmonic of the 25 Hz. That's why PRR had to go from 100 Hz to 91 2/3 Hz for the cab signals. Only a few branches of electrical engineering would be up on the Fourier analysis needed to sort the problem. Bill |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 24 15:14:32 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Q23 on Mon May 24 13:04:56 2021. The BXM7 already goes to section 5 on its way to the city, so you’re not wasting any time taking a local bus to the MN station. So if MN is faster for section 5, it’s faster for everyone else, minus the extra wait time from taking two vehicles.The BxM7 is likely better for people east of 5th. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon May 24 16:18:48 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by AlM on Mon May 24 08:26:06 2021. Funny you should mention Riverdale and Spuyten Duyvil. One of those is my station. Riverdale station was very sleepy when I first started using it in the 1990s. Then MNRR established a bus shuttle to there and S.D. from various points in the neighborhood. Train usage skyrocketed.If demand warrants, they could establish similar shuttles from all areas of Coop City. |
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Posted by Q23 on Mon May 24 18:45:51 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 24 15:14:32 2021. The BxM7 serving section 5 doesn't necessarily mean it's faster for everyone else though. The Bx30 in particular operates on various headways throughout the day, and if the railroad schedule is uniform that will create issues, mainly during off peak hours but potentially during peak hours too. Also, given how much more limited the railroad schedule would be, having about 7-8 scheduled minutes to make the connection would be like the minimum, since these bus routes come from outside of Co-Op City and will be subject to delays. Beyond 10 would be excessive IMO, which could be the case depending on the timing between trains and buses.If there are riders who use the bus which work or need to go around Penn Station, it could be beneficial to them, sure. But even if you're going to the West Side, if your destination is further away from 34th Street, the train may not provide time savings, or enough savings to be attracted to the Metro North option (because you'd have to go back uptown on one of the west side subway lines). That's what I mean when I say the train would be faster to get into Manhattan, which is much different from saying the train would get people to their destinations faster. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 25 09:41:23 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Q23 on Mon May 24 18:45:51 2021. If you take the bus directly to your destination, which is closer to the bus stop than Penn, then the bus wins most of the time. But if you have to transfer, the bus loses, except for a few circumstances like Harlem or the East Side (where the transfer is to another bus). |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue May 25 10:47:01 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Brightonr68 on Mon May 24 10:58:32 2021. That would be a good thing. |
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Posted by Q23 on Wed May 26 04:28:55 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 25 09:41:23 2021. What you're saying applies more for those living near the proposed station location, and not so much for most sections of Co-Op City. If you're traveling to the West Side, you may need to transfer to/from the BxM7, but if you're taking the train and need to get to areas away from Penn Station, you either walk it or need to transfer. It may work out better using Metro North for those near the station, but for others it just won't. Most people are off the BxM7 by the time it reaches 34th Street anyways.I'll give you an example for someone working near Columbus Circle: The BxM7 from Palmer Ave to 58th Street is 48 minutes during the AM Rush. Walking to 8th Ave would be 11 minutes, a crosstown bus is 8 minutes with a wait time of 3 minutes and 1 minute walk from the BxM7 stop(assumed from half the headway of the M31 and M57). So you're looking at about an hour no matter what you do after getting off the BxM7, with the total cost being $6.75. The train would be somewhere around 35 minutes from the Co-Op City station (and that might be low balling it by a bit). Getting to the subway from Penn may take 1-3 minutes, assume wait time is half the headway for the (1) train at that time (2-3 minutes) and the subway ride from 34th Street to 59th Street is 6 minutes roughly. So in total, that's 44-47 minutes using Metro North + subway. Total cost during peak hours would be $12.75 assuming Co-Op City is in the same fare zone as Fordham. Now, for anyone else having to take the bus to the train station (which is basically all sections), there will be another added wait time for connections from bus to train. The BxM7 and local buses take roughly the same amount of time from each section to the area near Erskine Place, but there will need to be adequate time for connections between the bus and Metro North. So those 10-13 minutes in savings, suddenly drops. If you're only giving yourself 5 minutes to connect on the Bronx end, that's pushing it because the bus can be late, and could lead you to miss your train. And at that rate, your time savings drops down to 8-11 minutes. Even if there is some time savings while doing all of that, the question then becomes do I want to spend almost twice the express bus fare to saving a bit of time while increasing my walking distance or the connections I have to make? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 26 06:15:33 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Q23 on Wed May 26 04:28:55 2021. Throw in commuter rail fares that are already too high. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 26 09:57:39 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Q23 on Wed May 26 04:28:55 2021. You're going into incredible detail with one example, which is fine.Of course there are plenty of people for whom the express bus is better. But there are also a fair number of people for whom the train is better. We won't find out how many until the service runs. Note that quite a few people take the train into GCT from the Harlem and Hudson line stations in the Bronx, even though very few of them live within an easy walk of those stations. They have express bus and subway alternatives, but they've chosen MNRR. There will be a whole bunch of those for the Co-op City station too. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 26 10:01:52 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by AlM on Wed May 26 09:57:39 2021. Harlem line takes in some of the old 3rd Avenue el market, which never should have been torn down. East Bronx service will not have that benefit of replacing an old el. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Wed May 26 10:06:24 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Joe V on Wed May 26 10:01:52 2021. So how about they just forget the Co-op City station altogether and go ahead with the other three in the Bronx. Leave the thousands of people who live in Co-op City with no additional transit option at all. Would that satisfy you? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 26 10:10:10 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Wed May 26 10:06:24 2021. No. But the Co-oP city stop is way over-rated. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 26 10:39:03 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by Joe V on Wed May 26 10:01:52 2021. Irrelevant. Very few people who used the 3rd Ave El as adults now travel regularly to Manhattan on MNRR.People will use whatever transportation suits them best. Of course the Co-op City station won't suddenly make everyone use MNRR. But some people will love it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 26 10:47:40 2021, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad Penn Station Access - The new station locations and track maps/diagrams, posted by AlM on Wed May 26 10:39:03 2021. It is relevant. I didn't say it was the same people. I said it was the same MARKET. The population is still there. |
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