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Program For Mass Transit 1968.
Posted by Chicago44 on Sat May 8 09:29:46 2021 I would like to know on what letter subway lines were proposed for the Queens Blvd subway line as part of the Program For Mass Transit 1968, they are: -2nd Av subway south of 63rd St to Queens Blvd Connection. -63rd St to Queens Blvd Connection. -Woodhaven Blvd from Queens Blvd along the LIE. -Super Express from Forest Hills to 63rd St Tunnel. -Super Express from Fiorest Hills to 53rd St Tunnel. -Archer Av (Springfield Blvd) to Queens Blvd. If anyone out there knows about this pleae post it, I would appreciate it.
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Posted by Dan* on Sat May 8 10:23:25 2021, in response to Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by Chicago44 on Sat May 8 09:29:46 2021.* The plans never got that far. Only railfans care about such things. I believe that 'T' and 'Y' are currently reserved for the future 2nd Avenue line expansion. Letters 'K', 'P', 'U', 'V' and 'X' are currently unassigned. The letters 'I' and 'O' are not available for assignment.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Sat May 8 14:36:43 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by Dan on Sat May 8 10:23:25 2021.* Not sure what's wrong with using O.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 8 14:41:28 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by italianstallion on Sat May 8 14:36:43 2021.* Zero
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Sat May 8 15:52:34 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by Joe V on Sat May 8 14:41:28 2021.* We have a 0 (zero) bus route in Denver. It runs along Broadway, which divides east and west in Denver's street grid system.
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Sat May 8 21:57:15 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 8 15:52:34 2021.* Also, Valley Metro in Phoenix has (or had) a route '0' on Central Av, also the east/west divider. I may have ridden it during my October 1994 visit. Looking at the map (see link below) it appears now to be the "0A". Downtown Phoenix is a bit strange. The north-south streets east of Central are "streets" (1st St, 2nd St, etc.) West of Central they are "avenues". For the most part, the Valley Metro bus route numbering system uses the block number of the primary street that the route runs on, even outside of the downtown area where most of the streets are named. As it turns out, there is a route on 7th St and another on 7th Av. One was the 7, the other was the 8 (7 is on 7th St, the 8 on 7th Ave). When I was there, they had 4 routes that had colors (Red, Blue, Green and Yellow (I think)). The Red line headed east, passing by PHX and on to Tempe (I rode it out to ASU). They were given these names because they were more or less previews of an eventual light-rail system. And the current light-rail line does follow much of the route of that Red Line (ironically, AFAIK, the light rail line is not called the Red Line, at least I don't see it indicated as such on the Valley metro system map).
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Sun May 9 10:56:26 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 8 21:57:15 2021.* RTD in Denver tries to follow that numbering logic on its bus routes whenever possible. In Denver's grid systen, streets and boulevards run north-south while roads and avenues run east-west. One exception is Littleton Blvd., which runs east-west. Downtown Denver is laid out on a diagonal grid relative to the rest of the metro area - mainly because the first streets ran parallel to the South Platte River, which comes in from the northeast in a southwesternly direction. At some point, it was decided to go with a north-south grid, but it was too late to change the grid downtown. Numbered streets downtown run northwest-southeast while named streets run northeast-southwest.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sun May 9 13:12:36 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 9 10:56:26 2021.* Do they put a slash through the "0" ?
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Sun May 9 19:05:32 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by Joe V on Sun May 9 13:12:36 2021.* Nope, just a plain old zero. Today's buses have electronic signs, but even back when mylar curtains were the norm, they showed plain zeroes.
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Posted by Edwards!* on Sun May 9 20:36:56 2021, in response to Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by Chicago44 on Sat May 8 09:29:46 2021.* The MTA had actually produced a teaser map of the proposed system, with the IRT lines interestingly integrated into the B Division letter code system. It included the Southeast Jamaica system all the way to Springfield Blvd,the Utica Ave subway, the Nostrand Ave extension. What wasn't included was the Queens Bypass line.
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Posted by GojiMet86* on Sun May 9 21:13:49 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by Edwards! on Sun May 9 20:36:56 2021.* Someone recreated the map on reddit:
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Posted by Jsun21* on Sun May 9 23:09:10 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by GojiMet86 on Sun May 9 21:13:49 2021.* The U train has two different Northern and Southern terminals AND multiple stopping patterns??
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Posted by randyo* on Mon May 10 00:43:53 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by Jsun21 on Sun May 9 23:09:10 2021.* That is a problem with using letters to identify trains on a system as large as ours. Prior to the actual opening of the IND when the BMT was offered the opportunity to run the new lines, it was intended to continue the BMT’s numbering system as a photo of an R-1 mockup shows. With no merger of the BMT and IND though of in 1932, it made prefect sense to use a completely new ID system for IND trains. Now with a full merger of the BMT and IND and most completely new lines being on those divisions, it would actually make more sense to rebadge the lines using numbers for BMT/IND routes and letters for the IRT since there is almost no chance of any completely new IRT routes being built. One thing that I did notice on that map which I made made reference to in some of my posts, is instead of the SAS taking over the IRT Pelham Line, the Bronx service pattern had been modified so that the in addition to taking over the Dyre Ave Lina as was alway planned, the SAS would now branch off the the White Pl Rd line at E180 St and leave Pelham with the IRT. Another intersting thing I noticed on that map is that a Fulton St Lcl service which was proposed was shown as only operating as far as Hoyt presumably using Court St to relay rather than having the line operate in passenger service all the way into Court which would make more sensed considering the recent downtown Bkln development.
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Posted by GojiMet86* on Mon May 10 10:20:28 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by randyo on Mon May 10 00:43:53 2021.* Yeah, in hindsight the A division should have been letters and the B division numbers. It could have been something along these lines (assuming the same routes today and a full lenght Second Avenue subway): A Van Cortlandt Park-South Ferry (1) B White Plains Road-Brooklyn via 7th Avenue (2) C Lenox Terminal-Brooklynn via 7th Avenue (3) D Woodlawn-Brooklyn via Lexington (4) E Dyre Avenue/White Plains-Brooklyn via Lexington (5) F Pelham Bay-Ciy Hall (6) G 42nd Street Shuttle (S) H Flushing-Hudson Yards (7) 1 2nd Avenue-Coney Island via Brighton (Q) 2 Forest Hills-Bay Ridge (R) 3 Norwood-Coney Island via West End (D) 4 Astoria-Coney Island via Sea Beach (N) 5 Bedford Park-Brighton Beach (B) 6 Court Square-Church Avenue (G) 7 Franklin Shuttle (S) 8 Jamaica-WTC (E) 9 179th Street-Coney Island (F) 10 Middle Village-Forest Hills (M) 11 Inwood-Lefferts (A) 12 Inwood-Rockaways/Rockaway Shuttle (A) 13 168 Street-Euclid (C) 14 2nd Avenue Line (T) 15 Jamaica-Broad Street (J) 16 Canarsie (L)
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Posted by Edwards!* on Mon May 10 11:47:14 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by GojiMet86 on Sun May 9 21:13:49 2021.* Very cool Even the Bypass 9s there... They missed the Woodside Station, though.
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Posted by randyo* on Mon May 10 16:13:42 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by GojiMet86 on Mon May 10 10:20:28 2021.* That’s probably not too different from what the numbers might have been if the BMT had assumed operation of the lines that became the IND.
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Posted by Euclid Avenue A Train* on Tue May 11 19:33:20 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 8 21:57:15 2021.* Phoenix still has a route 0 3rd Street & Dunlap (Sunnyslope Transit Center)to Van Buren Street and route 0A Van Buren Street to Dobbins Road
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Posted by MainR3664* on Wed May 12 14:32:01 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by randyo on Mon May 10 16:13:42 2021.* It does preserve the BMT numbers assigned to the Brighton, Fourth Avenue, West End, Sea Beach, and Franklin routes.
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Posted by randyo* on Wed May 12 18:22:09 2021, in response to Re: Program For Mass Transit 1968., posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 12 14:32:01 2021.* The only difference is that under the BMT numbering system both lcl and exp services on the same line carried the same number. Both Brighton Lcl and Brighton Exp carried the number 1, the West End Lcl and West End Exp carried the number 3 etc.
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