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Re: Gold Interlocking Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 23 17:02:53 2007, in response to Re: Gold Interlocking Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by SLRT on Fri Feb 23 16:07:44 2007. BUs operated to Main Street Flushing till 1939 when they were replaced by Q Types (which were just modified BUs)... |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Feb 23 19:00:46 2007, in response to Re: Gold Interlocking Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 23 17:02:53 2007. And they kept going to Flushing until 1950, IIRC. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri May 6 21:11:46 2016, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 23 08:06:44 2007. But wow, "what they do today is just cover it over with a metal sign"? Have you ridden the subway since 1990?why since 1990? why not before that? Huh? In the 60's, 70's, 80's, and even the 50's that's what they would have done....but today? and even the 90s, not the 50s dude. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 7 21:17:34 2016, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Renee gil on Fri May 6 21:11:46 2016. At the risk of responding to a necropost, It seems from reading an old PSC report on the dual contracts that although the original name of the station was to have been Gold St, it was decided that since Myrtle Av was a better known thoroughfare, that the station should be called Myrtle Ave and although I have no hard evidence, I believe that the station name and the tiles were changed to Myrtle before the station was actually opened. As for the lack of a transfer to the Myrtle El, among the plans for the reconstruction of the Bkln els was a plan to truncate Myrtle at Flatbush Extension and build a transfer from a new terminal station on the el to the Myrtle Ave station on the 4th Ave subway last it was known then (and still is). All the photos of the model board I have ever seen show it designated as “Myrtle Ave Interlocking” even though BMT operating personnel have always referred to it as Gold St. Even though the new tower at Dekalb shows it as Myrtle Av, the operating personnel still refer to the interlocking as Gold St and timetables that show it in the header also show it as Gold St. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 14 17:11:38 2020, in response to Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by TonyBroadway on Wed Feb 21 03:58:57 2007. I hate to refer to a necropost at this late date but somewhere in this thread reference is made to the method used for changing the tiles to read myrtle Av instead of Gold St. The post said that back then they did things right instead if just slapping a metal ot wooden sign over it. That may have been what the BRT/BMT did things but the IRT didn’t quite do it that way. When Mott Av in the Bx was incorporated as the lower portion of the Grand Concourse circa 1930, 2 stations containing the reference to Mott Av had to be changed. The original station under 149 St was changed from “Mott Avenue” simply by covering the original Mott Avenue mosaics with black letter on a white wooden board reading “149 St Grand Concourse.” The mosaic tiles at 138 St on the Jerome Line which had originally read “138 St-Mott Haven” were simply painted white and the name “138 St Grand Concourse” painted in black letters on the white background. I once visited 138 St and when looking at the mosaic pieces in a certain light, could actually see the original tiles under the white paint. For a long time the small enamel signs on the platform columns continued to read “MH.” At one point during the reconstruction of 149/Gr Conc, some of the original mosaic tiles reading Mott Avenue were exposed. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu May 14 18:35:27 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by randyo on Thu May 14 17:11:38 2020. The original tiles at 138th St. simply read "Mott Haven". No reference to Mott Avenue, nor even to 138th Street.I rode the subway a few days ago, for the first time in well over a month, and I saw the rehabbed northbound platform there. On the northern part of the platform (north of the stairs), all-new mosaics have been installed, each consisting of two lines: "138th Street" and "Mott Haven". On the southern portion of the station, south of the stairs, the name tablets remain covered by metal signs reading "138 Street", except for one of them which is uncovered and shows a fully restored version of the original tiling, which reads simply "Mott Haven". Question: how long was this platform when it first opened? Did it consist only of the portion south of the stairs? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 14 23:39:33 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu May 14 18:35:27 2020. Thanks for the correction. I knew I could see the mosaics that formed the words “Mott Haven” under the white paint but It’s been a while and I thought it included the "138 St” also. In any case, at the time I went there the name modification was simply black lettering painted over white and as I recall they sort of tried to duplicate the original font. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 15 11:47:37 2020, in response to Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by TonyBroadway on Wed Feb 21 03:58:57 2007. I remember seeing a line drawing of a loop between Gold St/Myrtle Av station and the Manhattan Bridge under Flatbush Ave Ext. for turning trains back, ducking under the tracks heading to the bridge. Not sure if it got finished or even built, and if built, what vestiges of it remain. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 15 11:51:15 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 15 11:47:37 2020. The loop was never built. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 15 12:29:00 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 15 11:51:15 2020. At least some provisions were built under Flatbush Ave. Ext.. Found a description in old posts and elsewhere online.*copyclipped from old post* After crossing the Manhattan Bridge (south side - N/Q trains), as soon as you enter the tunnel landing in Brooklyn, you see a wide open space, most likely a trackway, coming in on the right. You all see a similar space ahead of you on the left. This was from the front window perspective. This can also be seen between DeKalb Avenue and the portal to the Manhattan Bridge (Near the abandoned Myrtle Avenue station). From a paper I bought years ago about trackways on the BMT, these bellmouths were supposed to have been a provision for turning trains (a loop). I'm thinking that either that's all there is, or the loop concrete work was done and then left it at that. Maybe I'll ask SuperCop. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 15 12:48:12 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 15 12:29:00 2020. Found also some old posts saying only provisions, and others saying the loop concrete work was done. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 15 16:47:44 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 15 11:47:37 2020. i,ve posted on this several times.loop is in place,i,ve was in it apx.1967.what is really weird about it is that it crosses the tunnel tracks AT GRADE. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 15 17:17:38 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 15 11:47:37 2020. I wonder if these next two George Abere Jr. images may have something to do with the loop. I heard that the proposed loop was destroyed when the DeKalb Abe rebuilding and Myrtle Ave station shutdown occurred.  The chap in pinstripes is Motorman George Horn 
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 15 17:34:12 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 15 17:17:38 2020. wow=WOW. NEVER SAW THESE PHOTOS. THAT IS THE BEGINING OF THE LOOP WHICH WAS NOT DESTROYED,HOW COULD IT BE? GEORGE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO VERIFY[AMONGIST OTHERS] THAT 76ST WAS BUILT AS DESCRIBED MANY POSTS AGO, |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 15 18:11:27 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 15 17:34:12 2020. George Horn was the first person to tell me about the proposal to extend to 76 St and pointed out 2 small mini mountains of earth in the median of Conduit Blvd that were supposedly at the ends of yd leads A7 and A8 but he gave me no further info about the existence or non existence of the station itself. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 15 18:52:27 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 15 17:34:12 2020. wow=WOW. NEVER SAW THESE PHOTOS. THAT IS THE BEGINING OF THE LOOP WHICH WAS NOT DESTROYED,HOW COULD IT BE? GEORGE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO VERIFY[AMOUNGST OTHERS] THAT 76ST WAS BUILT AS DESCRIBED MANY POSTS AGO.I posted those photos with you in mind. The late John Scala showed me these slides when they were part of his collection. He told me that this was remnants of the proposed loop that was destroyed when the whole DeKalb rebuild project happened years ago and pointed out the late George Horn. BTW, I don't have any photos of 76th St. :0) Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri May 15 19:53:28 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by randyo on Fri May 15 18:11:27 2020. A7 and A8 - are these the yard leads, formerly with tracks(?) just inside the Euclid yard's portal that turn off to the east in the direction of 76th St.? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri May 15 19:55:29 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 15 17:17:38 2020. Is there any further info. on the location of these photos?And, great photos! Thanks for posting. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 15 20:10:56 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Express Rider on Fri May 15 19:55:29 2020. Is there any further info. on the location of these photos?That's all I know about it. Even tunnelrat was left speechless ! There may have been others who have known more, but they're long gone. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri May 15 20:17:52 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 15 20:10:56 2020. Thanks for your reply, and again for posting them!Perhaps any individuals with knowledge of underground ROW's might be able to figure out the location? RandyO, do you have any thoughts on this? Thanks once again! |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 15 20:44:56 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Express Rider on Fri May 15 19:53:28 2020. YUP |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 15 20:47:32 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Express Rider on Fri May 15 20:17:52 2020. its past gold st.going to manhattan. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Fri May 15 21:15:09 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 15 11:47:37 2020. I've seen a bellmouth coming off of the north side northbound track. It veers off a bit north of where the Brighton and 4 Av express merge. It's a very distinct cutout in the tunnel wall though I can't tell how far it goes, if at all. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 15 23:30:53 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by K. Trout on Fri May 15 21:15:09 2020. it goes all around.henceforth a loop |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 15 23:40:49 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 15 18:52:27 2020. The N/B bellmouth is still there but since the switch merging F4 with A4 tk N/O Gold St was moved farther north to allow 600 ft trains to clear the switches from F4 and A4 to H2 you will encounter the bellmouth as soon as you pass the switch. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 16 02:47:16 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 15 20:44:56 2020. Thanks Steve!- Ed :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 16 03:54:39 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by randyo on Fri May 15 23:40:49 2020. I have seen this bellmouth provision from the front window, but you have to look quickly - it goes by pretty fast.Below is a brief sentence (partial one actually) that mentions this turning loop, from David Rogoff's brochure for the B-Type (2390-91-92) fan trip on Oct. 16, 1965: "We ... pass through Dekalb Ave. station and the remains of Myrtle Ave. station[*] and by a pocket in the north wall for the initial turnout leg of the proposed underground turning loop ... " IIRC, he also cites this structural provision for the loop in a NY Div. bulletin article on abandoned/unused sections of the BMT - I have this issue packed away but accessible in my storage unit. I will see about "digging it out" (maybe Sunday evening after work) and post whatever I am able to find that Rogoff wrote about it. [*northbound platform] - my addition, not in original text |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 16 07:27:54 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 15 23:30:53 2020. it goes all around.henceforth a loopWhat was the purpose of this loop ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 07:59:44 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 15 17:17:38 2020. Gold Street may be gone, but the Gold Street Interlocking lives on... Or so I am told.ROAR |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat May 16 08:25:14 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Express Rider on Fri May 15 19:55:29 2020. From Joe Brennan's Abandoned Stations website here's a diagram showing the loop as dotted lines between A282 and A288:
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Posted by SLRT on Sat May 16 08:29:32 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 15 16:47:44 2020. Which tracks are the tunnel tracks? |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat May 16 08:30:35 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 16 07:27:54 2020. Apparently, downtown Brooklyn a hundred years ago was considered important enough that some trains from southern Brooklyn would go only as far as Myrtle Av, then turn back south. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat May 16 10:37:17 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 07:59:44 2020. Yes. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 16 10:38:30 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by SLRT on Sat May 16 08:29:32 2020. THE ONES THAT GO UNDER THE EAST RIVER.LOOP TUNNEL HAS NO TRACKS. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat May 16 10:49:36 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 16 10:38:30 2020. what is really weird about it is that it crosses the tunnel tracks AT GRADE.That's not possible. The "B" tracks go under the "A" and "F" tracks just north of DeKalb so the loop tracks are nowhere near the tunnel tracks. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 16 11:07:43 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by SLRT on Sat May 16 10:49:36 2020. I was in it,what part of that didn`t you understand? |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 16 11:51:13 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 15 17:17:38 2020. These photos are from the area just south of Chambers St on the BMT, on the portion of the tunnel constructed to link the station to the Brooklyn Bridge. This area was to become a diamond crossover. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 16 12:08:08 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 16 11:51:13 2020. These photos are from the area just south of Chambers St on the BMT, on the portion of the tunnel constructed to link the station to the Brooklyn Bridge. This area was to become a diamond crossover.Thanks for the update. tunnelrat should take note. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 16 12:10:15 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Feb 21 09:46:00 2007. There were pre-Unification proposals to do just that- terminate Myrtle/Lexington el service at a newly constructed terminal over Flatbush Ave. Another, was to connect Fulton St el trains to Adams St, after Ashland Pl connected the steel subway cars to Ashland Place. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 16 12:13:04 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 16 12:08:08 2020. Are there any proposed track maps of this connection to the Brooklyn Bridge from Chambers St? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat May 16 12:20:53 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 16 11:07:43 2020. That it crossed the tunnel tracks AT GRADE when those tracks are nowhere near the Loop. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat May 16 12:26:31 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 16 12:13:04 2020. Yes.Third map down |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat May 16 12:32:30 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 16 12:10:15 2020. Obviously that never happened. The third-tracking of the Fulton Street el only went from Nostrand Avenue in anticipation of that connection. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat May 16 12:45:28 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 16 11:07:43 2020. Look at this map:The loop trackways are shown as dotted lines. They are nowhere near the tunnel tracks. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 16 14:40:38 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by VictorM on Sat May 16 08:30:35 2020. Even as late as the late 1930s, the BMT had plans for completing the loop and it ties in with the story of the Bluebird. When both the Multis and the Bluebird were developed, the BMT placed an order for 50 Bluebird units to be used on a proposed 4 Av Lcl service operating between 95 St and Myrtle Av (Gold St) and turning back on the loop. The idea was that the Bluebirds with their higher acceleration and deceleration rates would, as locals be able to compete favorably with the express trains that used ABs and D types. If it turned out that the 50 Bluebirds were not enough for the service, a few Multi units were to be transferred to the 4 Av Line to make service. Of course, unification intervened, the city cancelled the order for the remaining Bluebirds beyond the 5 ones already delivered and the loop never got built. In can see a slight problem with the BMT’s idea in that there probably would still be a few trains of ABs on the Culver and West End Locals that, with their acceleration and deceleration rates, keep the Bluebirds from achieving the higher speeds they were designed for since they would be on the same tracks. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 16 14:45:36 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 07:59:44 2020. The Gold St interlocking is controlled from the Dekalb Master Tower as it was when the new Dekalb tower was installed circa 1960. Interestingly although the operating personnel have called and continue to call the interlocking “Gold St” as does the schedule office, both the old tower and the current master tower refer to the area as “Myrtle Ave Interlocking." |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 16 14:58:16 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by VictorM on Sat May 16 08:25:14 2020. If I recall from the last time I was there the S/B bellmouth from the loop is on the west side of the subway infrastructure on the outside of tk H1. The current H1 tk is in the space formerly occupied by the S/B platform at Myrtle Ave and the depressed tk H3 pretty much follows the path of the old H1 tk. The tiles on the curtain wall between the old H1 and F3 within the old station limits are still sort of visible under the years of steel dust. The track numbering in the area is a bit strange and I’m not exactly sure where the tk numberings change but at some point H1 becomes A3 and A3 becomes F3 near the Xover that goes between the bypass tk and the S/B station tk. If I remember from my days working down there, even though it is technically a diverging route at the facing point of the Xover, A3 tk becomes F3 and at the trailing point H1 becomes A3 so the physically diverging route is actually a main route. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 16 15:07:59 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 16 11:07:43 2020. Although you may have been in something, it was probably not an actual trackway itself, but rather just some sort of support structure for the actual loop infrastructure below. Operationally, a loop at grade would severely impact on the operation of through trains operating over the Manny B on both the Bway and the Nassau St Line. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 16 15:20:23 2020, in response to Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by SLRT on Sat May 16 12:32:30 2020. I have made several posts on the subject of why the remaining portions of the Fulton St El were never third tracked, if you can find them. The third tracking didn’t even go all the way east of Nostrand but stopped a little past Hinsdale St I believe almost as far as the west end of Pennsylvania Ave station. The only thing I’ve never been able to figure out is why there was not a 3 tk island platform express station built at Bway Jct after the el was rebuilt. I used to stand at the S/E of the 14 St Line Bway Jct platform and look down at the remaining structure towards Rockaway Av and is looked to me like and express station with the appropriate yard leads could have been built there. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat May 16 19:12:37 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Original Sea Beach Route-What Is Gold St.?, posted by randyo on Sat May 16 14:58:16 2020. Jeffrey Erlitz's Schematic Track and Interlocking Diagrams (pdf file) confirms what you state - see bottom of page 17, also page 19. The transitions in track numbers are at the places you indicated. |
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