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Posted by Dave on Sat Feb 15 06:49:41 2020 GCT |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Feb 15 08:00:05 2020, in response to Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Dave on Sat Feb 15 06:49:41 2020. *sigh* What happened to the policy of getting the homeless out of GCT during the day? |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Sat Feb 15 08:47:34 2020, in response to Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Dave on Sat Feb 15 06:49:41 2020. Welcome to Deblasio's NYC. I didn't think NYC could ever elect a worse mayor than Dinkins, but here we are... |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Feb 15 09:03:07 2020, in response to Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Dave on Sat Feb 15 06:49:41 2020. It will only get worse. |
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Posted by zac on Sat Feb 15 09:11:49 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by nasadowsk on Sat Feb 15 08:47:34 2020. Deblasio doesn't control GCT. That would be Cuomo. They both need to go. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 15 09:21:03 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by 3-9 on Sat Feb 15 08:00:05 2020. There's always the possibility that it's an alarmist article. I haven't seen any homeless people in GCT at 5:30 PM, but I don't usually go through the lower level, which is presumably where the issue occurs. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 15 10:26:38 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by zac on Sat Feb 15 09:11:49 2020. The Gov controls MTA and GCT , it is deballsio who must keep the homeless out. Let him put the homeless up in Gracy Mansion or in some of his other homes, after all, he IS a socialist, and so even his house belongs to the people. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 15 10:27:41 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Dan on Sat Feb 15 09:03:07 2020. So vote for a Republican. They will round them all up and put them in a concentration camp. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 15 10:48:24 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 15 10:26:38 2020. it is deballsio who must keep the homeless outNYPD doesn't police GCT. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Feb 15 10:59:44 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 15 10:27:41 2020. No but NYC can't put the concerns of the taxpayers at the bottom of the list. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 15 11:14:52 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by zac on Sat Feb 15 09:11:49 2020. GCT is controlled by Grand Central partnership its neither Cuomo or MTA |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 15 11:15:30 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 15 10:26:38 2020. GCT is controlled and maintained by Grand Central partnership . |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 15 11:18:16 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 15 11:14:52 2020. The police officers there are MTA Police, however, aren't they? That's whom I recall seeing. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Feb 15 11:30:35 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 15 11:18:16 2020. plus national guard,state police. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 15 11:40:29 2020, in response to Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Dave on Sat Feb 15 06:49:41 2020. Business owners?The passengers aren't saying the same thing? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 15 12:04:17 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 15 11:40:29 2020. That makes me suspicious of how serious the problem is. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 15 12:17:55 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 15 12:04:17 2020. I'm going to go wandering through the lower level some time next week and see what's going on. The homeless certainly aren't generally a problem on the upper level at 5:30 PM. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 15 12:24:28 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 15 12:17:55 2020. The problem, if it exists, is that on the lower level there are numerous tables and chairs for food court patrons to use to eat at. It's an open invitation for homeless to occupy those at night. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 15 16:04:42 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 15 10:48:24 2020. I was thinking that since M/N is under FRA federal jurisdiction and MTA police AFAIK have federal police powers then GCT should be also meaning that homeless trespassers should be able to me prosecuted under federal law where the bail exemption and other local laws don’t necessarily apply. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Sat Feb 15 16:37:03 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by zac on Sat Feb 15 09:11:49 2020. Cuomo votes for this bail reform law . It is actually a series of laws Cuomo signed into law . The most disturbing is the requirement for the da office to turn Over all witness and victim info to the defense attorney . There has already been multiple incidents where victims and witnesses have been assaultedA second terrible thing is they changed the meaning of violent crime to me using a weapon such as a knife or gun . Simply kicking someone’s head until they are unconscious is not violent according to the law This will drive down the reported crime numbers . If the criminal knows your name and address and is going to be released anyway , why report the crime . There is broken car windows every day near my job . Street cleaning is done twice a week Defiant black and Latino state senators claim they will never make common sense changes to the law . They are comparing the police to slave recovery squads . In the end , low income black and Hispanic people who don’t have the ability to move will be the ones who pay the price with their life and lack of jobs . Already have my house up for sale . Heading to nj |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Feb 15 16:39:26 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by randyo on Sat Feb 15 16:04:42 2020. Over-reach. No US Attorneys office would devote any resources to prosecuting cases like that. The MTA police are primarily a NYS police agency, with additional commissioning in CT. The fact that they are undesirable to some people does not mean they are committing an offense. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 15 16:54:13 2020, in response to Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Dave on Sat Feb 15 06:49:41 2020. Doesn't GCT close every night in order to prevent people living there? |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 15 16:59:25 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Brightonr68 on Sat Feb 15 16:37:03 2020. So you're saying the city is only livable when The State pays to put poor people in detention centers where you can't see them?I lived in Baltimore for 13 years. #NoSympathy #DealWithIt |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 15 17:01:28 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Brightonr68 on Sat Feb 15 16:37:03 2020. Cuomo votes for this bail reform law . It is actually a series of laws Cuomo signed into law . The most disturbing is the requirement for the da office to turn Over all witness and victim info to the defense attorney . There has already been multiple incidents where victims and witnesses have been assaultedFYI 35-40 other states already have that requirement. We live in a surveillance state. Pre-trial detention is pretty much unnecessary and a waste of taxpayer money. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 15 17:02:36 2020, in response to Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Dave on Sat Feb 15 06:49:41 2020. Also if the GCT Businesses don't like it they can relocate, cause the rents to drop and get something more affordable in their place. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 15 17:13:56 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 15 17:01:28 2020. FYI 35-40 other states already have that requirement.Is that requirement limited to within 15 days? Usually a lot of this would be settled out of court and there would be no need to ever release that info. Either way I can assure you I am never going to witness a crime in NY. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 15 18:04:19 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 15 16:54:13 2020. Correct. This article claims that there is a problem even at 5:30 PM. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Feb 15 18:40:06 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 15 16:59:25 2020. Baltimore's homicide counts post Freddy Grey have surpassed even the crack era. Virtually every single one of those souls were 1) poor and 2) African-American. Yes, the BPD is corrupt to the core and needed institutional change, but let's speak the truth: the elites only care about challenged communities if there is some left wing class warfare narrative to attach to it. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Sat Feb 15 20:42:45 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 15 09:21:03 2020. LL is where all the food is and some of it's pretty good, especially for a train station. Food requires seating, which was removed from the upper level. Seating is also required for some us olds/disablesds who have problems after standing or walking for any period of time.Guess what's happening to the lower level. I didn't read the article and won't bother, but yeah the "homeless" are definitely present and increasing in GCT. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Sat Feb 15 20:50:26 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 15 10:27:41 2020. Guiliani did no such thing.In times past, the mentally ill were in institutions which, whatever their faults, were located in large, pleasant tracts outside the city and protected the unwell from their worst instincts and drug-seeking. Criminals other than those in organized crime were locked up when the low-tech means of the day could catch them. If you wanted a job there was some sort of work that would pay for some sort of housing, you were not competing with people whose real home is a village in Ecuador and who will live 4 to a room here to save what amounts to a significant haul back home. Chaos and degradation benefits only the disrupting class, who thrive on the misery of others. Recall, who in the 20th century said "The worse, the better." ? |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Sat Feb 15 20:55:21 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Brightonr68 on Sat Feb 15 16:37:03 2020. White people will be freebie targets, most will do nothing about it. Effective self defense will get them doxxed and "dealt with."Welcome to #Woke. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 15 20:56:53 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Feb 15 17:02:36 2020. Its not that easy. First they have to get out of their lease and then find a place to relocate with all the moving expenses involved.And its not a given that the rents (in GCT) will automatically decrease. The homeless problem is citywide, not just in GCT. In other words, since we have a homeless problem here (in GCT),we're not any different than anywhere else in the city. The real estate market will stay stable. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 15 23:51:10 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Steamdriven on Sat Feb 15 20:50:26 2020. Those institutions cost money. The Trump Party would rather keep that money in billionaihes’ pockets, or in their campaign’s pockets when donated by those same billionaihes.As for your antiïmmigration screed, the era that coïncided with massive middle class prosperity also coïncided with the era of minimal immigration. I doubt that’s a…something that happens at the same time without causation.* *I ran out of diæreses. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 16 06:16:33 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Steamdriven on Sat Feb 15 20:50:26 2020. In times past, the mentally ill were in institutions which, whatever their faults, were located in large, pleasant tracts outside the city and protected the unwell from their worst instincts and drug-seeking.The patients odten weren't protected from abuse by the staff, however. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 16 08:41:12 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 15 20:56:53 2020. But if GCT has a bad reputation and still costs a lot, that could drive away vendors and either force rents down or make the MTA do something about the problem. The situation is much less complex than the NYC real estate market, so supply and demand is more likely to apply. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 16 10:20:43 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 16 08:41:12 2020. Yes, even if it's hard to get out of an existing lease, GCT will have great trouble leasing to new stores if the area gets a bad reputation. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 16 17:17:58 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 16 10:20:43 2020. It shouldn’t be that difficult to get out of a lease if the conditions make it prohibitively difficult or downright impossible to conduct a business. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 16 18:18:11 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 16 17:17:58 2020. Don't be so sure. Its a subjective thing. If the business says its impossible to do business & the MTA says different, now what? If there was a waiting list for businesses to get in, then the lease might be able (with a substantial $$$ penalty) to be torn up, but with the bad press nowadays about the conditions at GCT, I doubt that any new merchants are lined up at the MTA realty office. I mean a prospective new tenant has to be thinking , if everything was so good, why leave? |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Feb 16 19:28:39 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Feb 15 18:40:06 2020. Speaking of urban homicide victims, a couple of years ago the American Medical Association conducted a research report on the fatality rates of different firearms calibers. Its researchers looked at all 220 firearms homicides that occurred in Boston from 2010 to 2014 and compared them to an equal number of nonfatal shootings.The most interesting finding is that the homcide *victims* had an average of 13 prior arrests. As for the broader issue of skells in Grand Central, a definitive solution to the skell problem there and elsewhere is impossible unless the Supreme Court re-criminalizes vagrancy. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 16 22:16:56 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 15 23:51:10 2020. It was the great Republican Cuomo Sr who closed all of NY's mental institutions.That said it's not the Federal Government's job to intervene on State level matters, whether it be quality of life issues in coastal cities or whether or not one can buy weed or heroin at the local CVS. It's why I get annoyed when people blame Pelosi for SF being a shithole... Pelosi's role is to represent SF's wishes in matters of national significance, not petty local issues like poop and homeless problems. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 16 22:27:13 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 16 22:16:56 2020. Citations:1993 mental institution closures (doesn't seem like those community programs have held up over time) Also to note, Cuomo Jr seems to be following in those footsteps even drawing the ire of Huffpo: Closing New York State Psychiatric Hospitals Is Dangerous May 2012 Cuomo is setting psych patients loose to roam the streets (Sensationalized 2017 NY Post Article). |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 16 23:36:25 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 16 22:27:13 2020. "create hope filled, humanized environments and relationships in which people can grow"What an awesome line of bullshit. If the mentally ill could grow normally, they wouldn't be mentally ill. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Feb 17 00:03:58 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 16 06:16:33 2020. Many parts of life ain't pretty. We can have a tantrum and make them worse (close the asylums, send the trouble into the public) or improve the unpretty parts (jails, asylums, etc) to the extent of our ability and will to do so. The People, or some of them, have made their choice. Al of us below the celebrity/political class live with the results. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Feb 17 00:07:03 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 15 23:51:10 2020. Trump has been a Democrat, an Independent and a Republican. Which is the Trump Party? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 17 02:14:28 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Steamdriven on Mon Feb 17 00:07:03 2020. The one in thrall to him. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 17 02:16:27 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 16 22:16:56 2020. Who said anything about the federal government?Mental institution closure started in California under Reagan. New York probably decided to join in on the fun after Geraldo Rivera and Willowbrook. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 17 02:17:29 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 16 23:36:25 2020. Depending on the illness, some mentally ill people can grow if given the proper treatment. The problem is that it’s not true for everyone. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 17 03:17:31 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 16 18:18:11 2020. That’s what courts are for. |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Mon Feb 17 09:32:19 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by nasadowsk on Sat Feb 15 08:47:34 2020. +1 |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 17 09:57:53 2020, in response to Re: Business Owners In Grand Central Terminal Say Homeless Population Is Taking Over, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 17 02:17:29 2020. Yeah, except that guy is taking the state out of the business of providing treatment. So the only thing he's growing is bullshit. |
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