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Re: NYT: MTA Pulls 300 New Subway Cars Over Fears Doors Would Open |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 07:24:11 2020, in response to NYT: MTA Pulls 300 New Subway Cars Over Fears Doors Would Open, posted by gOld_12th on Thu Jan 9 07:08:18 2020. What will happen first: R179 proven completed debugged or the 737MAX flies again ?Seems that BBD is going down the same rat hole as Boeing. |
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Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 07:26:30 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Express Rider on Thu Jan 9 01:24:44 2020. I don't know the status of the D-types but we had 6 cars of the remaining 9. As for 4572-73, they were definitely in danger of reefing. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Jan 9 07:30:12 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 07:19:21 2020. possibly both right, i think it's a partnership/consortium |
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Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 07:35:38 2020, in response to Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush), posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 8 20:50:02 2020. The witness disagrees. |
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Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 07:40:11 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 8 08:46:45 2020. LOL!!Starting around 2004, my 1999 Camry (purchased brand new) became very difficult to start if it was parked in direct sunlight. My mechanic looked at me like I was nuts when I explained it. But I'm telling you, this was the truth. Speaking of TV sets, the old big ones often responded very well to a tap or a slap. You could easily get another 2 years out of one by doing that as necessary. If you smack the side of one of the new flat ones, you'll either hurt your hand badly, or send the unit crashing to the floor. Maybe both. |
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Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 07:49:48 2020, in response to Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 8 21:52:12 2020. I remember in the 1970s, the rubber seals/weatherstripping (someone with TA experience can tell us the proper name, I suppose) on the door panels had no grooves or treads to interlock the 2 panels- it was convex.And the door panels moved a bit with the movement of the train- I noticed intermittent gaps of somewhere between 1/8 and 1/4 inch appearing and closing up as trains moved. I'm sure others remember this as well. Almost common sense told you "stay away from that". But I'm also the type of person not fixated on the "good old days" that often weren't really that good. Subway doors that stay fully closed are definitely a better thing. |
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Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 08:03:25 2020, in response to Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 07:35:38 2020. It's possible that there was more than one incident but according to one very high placed sources in car maintenance who I spoke to last night, the issue was due to a mis- calibrated door panel lock on an R-179. |
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Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 08:06:29 2020, in response to Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush), posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 07:49:48 2020. Those were known as "door edge" or "door nose" rubbers. |
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Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 08:13:18 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 07:40:11 2020. The "tap" or the "smack" worked because often the pins on the tube sockets would loosen up. |
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Re: NYT: MTA Pulls 300 New Subway Cars Over Fears Doors Would Open |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 08:18:37 2020, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Pulls 300 New Subway Cars Over Fears Doors Would Open, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 07:24:11 2020. I'll let you know when 300 people die in a subway crash. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:26:26 2020, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Pulls 300 New Subway Cars Over Fears Doors Would Open, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 08:18:37 2020. Well that is the inherent difference between trains and planes. |
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Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:28:50 2020, in response to Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush), posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 07:49:48 2020. There was also a wider portion for a few inches at the bottom, which they eventually covered over. |
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Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 08:31:58 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by WayneJay on Wed Jan 8 11:43:28 2020. Need I remind everyone here that up until the early 1990s, the R68s were the joke of the transit industry? Before we linked them, the MDBF ran consistently under 20k. In those days, the contractual goal for the GOH R46s was 50k. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:41:36 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 08:31:58 2020. Was there something about the couplers that caused them to be shitty ? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 08:47:49 2020, in response to Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush), posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:28:50 2020. YES!!! I remember that now. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 08:48:31 2020, in response to Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush), posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 08:06:29 2020. Thank you. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:49:30 2020, in response to Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush), posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 08:47:49 2020. What was the point of that ? Let the doors close with your foot sticking out ? |
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Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 09:21:21 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:41:36 2020. It wasn't necessarily the coupler that caused problems. When the cars were linked into 4-car units, we eliminated 6 electric portions, 6 master controllers, 6 master door controllers and 6 brake valves for each 4 car link. In doing so, maintenance was more concentrated on fewer components and 75% fewer potential failure points. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 09:22:38 2020, in response to Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush), posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:49:30 2020. Exactly |
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Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jan 9 09:26:34 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 08:13:18 2020. I drive diesel powered cars. I've been driving diesels since 1981.They had a problem with taillights. That little nub on the bottom of the bulb wore out due to vibration, although the bulb looked good. I also had a problem with warm starts, but no problem with bitter cold starts. Some contraction and expansion of circuits made for difficult starts. The environment will effect things. So when things are sent for repair the environment changes and NOTHING is found. |
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Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 09:32:31 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 09:21:21 2020. But when one car has a failure, 4 cars go out. Does that affect the MDBF metric adversely ? |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jan 9 09:38:34 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 08:13:18 2020. I still use tube audio and it is pretty well known among the tube gear users that it is the socket-pin interface that causes 99% of the problems that people have, not the tubes themselves nor the circuits. The connection oxidizes and the sockets loosen over time and repeated insertion. Since audiophiles are notorious for never leaving their stuff alone and always tweaking, they are always swapping tubes, which causes them to loosen, and then when issues like popping occur, they think they have a bad tube, which leads to more swapping. But the act of swapping will solve the problem sometimes by making a good contact, except it doesn't last and a week later you have the same problem. On and on it will go until you take care of the real problem which is to deoxidize the socket and pins, and bend the pins to account for the loose socket. Guitarists don't tweak as much so tube guitar amps don't have as many problems even though they are pressed a lot harder.Before the internet, only service people really knew this and would take advantage of the easy fix and also clean out the insides of dust but would charge as if they did a full rebuild. Cleaning volume knobs and switches also had a similar result and they would do that too. It wasn't so much they were padding the bill but the minimum charge would more than cover it. |
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Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 09:39:21 2020, in response to Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush), posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 08:03:25 2020. There was DEFINITELY more than one incident because this Tweet refers to something that happened Tuesday morning after the R-179s were pulled. Basically the Tweet is irrelevant to the R-179 and this thread. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 09:42:26 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 09:32:31 2020. In the calculation of MDBF, it doesn't matter. MDBF is the sum of the accumulated mileage of all cars in a given group of cars over a specific time period divided by the number of charged delays for that same time group of cars over that period. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 09:50:29 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by zac on Thu Jan 9 09:38:34 2020. Spraying the sockets with contact cleaner went a long way in mitigating problems when swapping tubes.What sort of amps do you use? I remember that way back there was a controversy over the sound quality Fisher 500C vs the Fisher 500T with true audiophiles opting to hang onto their 500C. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jan 9 09:51:59 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jan 8 17:51:32 2020. We don't use sub contractors. They are all up in Gorton CT.ROARING |
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Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 09:59:48 2020, in response to Re: The incident involving R-179 cars doors was in service on (C) line (Tuesday PM rush), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 9 09:39:21 2020. Well, since "Door Open En route" incidents are relatively rare on NYCT and treated very seriously, I'm sure that the confusion will be short lived. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jan 9 10:01:21 2020, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Pulls 300 New Subway Cars Over Fears Doors Would Open, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 08:26:26 2020. Why? one train carries 10x the peepole of one aeroplane. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 10:01:54 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jan 9 09:51:59 2020. Those would be sub sub contractors |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 10:27:27 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 09:32:31 2020. Does that affect the MDBF metric adversely ?Mr. T. Dude and I had numerous discussions regarding this very subject. It does affect car availability. That's not the metric they follow. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Jan 9 10:41:27 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by The silence on Wed Jan 8 12:26:48 2020. BOMBARDIER= THE EDSOL OF OF THE TRAIN INDUSTRY. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 10:42:41 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 09:50:29 2020. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 9 10:48:48 2020, in response to Re: NYT: MTA Pulls 300 New Subway Cars Over Fears Doors Would Open, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jan 9 10:01:21 2020. When a train has a wreck, engine fire, or structural issue, it is seldom if ever that 100% on board die. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jan 9 11:02:22 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Jan 9 10:41:27 2020. As I recall, the Edsol was introduced at a time the nation was in an economic recession and a mid priced car was to much for the market to absorb.On another note, a friends family scarfed them up on the used car market when their price took a dump. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jan 9 11:09:11 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jan 9 11:02:22 2020. edsel
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 11:27:40 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jan 9 11:02:22 2020. As I recall, the Edsel was named for Edsel Ford. IIRC it had push button transmission controls on the steering column which was very problematic. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 11:31:28 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jan 9 11:09:11 2020. That’s a hideous looking car. The only car uglier is the 1960 Valiant. |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Thu Jan 9 12:09:41 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by VictorM on Wed Jan 8 16:01:11 2020. I stand corrected. Thank you.I thought I could remember builders' plates, but no. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 12:47:43 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 08:13:18 2020. Yeah, that makes sense. Without knowing specifics, I figured it worked because something got literally knocked to where it needed to be, at least for a while. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 12:53:38 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jan 9 11:02:22 2020. Though I was negative-9 years old when they debuted, I still think they were good-looking cars, and consider it tragic they failed. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 12:55:28 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jan 9 11:09:11 2020. I've never seen that version before- it that a '58? I've seen a lower, flatter, more 1960s-ish version, which I thought was the 1959 model, no? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 12:59:26 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 8 12:42:35 2020. I rode just last evening around 17:05, from Essex to Chambers. I got an R160, but I saw-and heard- a Queens-bound R42 arrive and depart from the center track. The rear sign was set for Z. I think I also saw some R160 Z trains. |
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Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Jan 9 13:52:37 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by gold_12th on Wed Jan 8 01:09:22 2020. Bad problem, but at least the response isn't a la MBTA: "Wut, wut prollem. Sez donleangaista doors! Shaddap" (Am from Boston) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 9 14:09:51 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 9 10:27:27 2020. That's my concern. When 1 car had a problem worthy of going to the barn, you also lost 3 good ones. Or if one of the 4 had a dead motor, it may run instead of the errant car taken to the barn just to make full service. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 9 14:19:40 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 11:31:28 2020. I've never been one to worry about a car's looks. However, the Edsels were junky and unreliable in addition to being ugly with the "toilet seat" front grille—and overpriced. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 9 14:36:22 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga… The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour…haha, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 9 14:19:40 2020. However, the Edsels were junky and unreliable in addition to being ugly with the "toilet seat" front grille—and overpriced.It's often referred to as the "horse collar" grill. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 9 15:05:54 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga… The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour…haha, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 9 14:19:40 2020. Hahaha toilet seat. That’s great. Someone had a couple of those cars on Myrtle Ave across from Victory Field. |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jan 9 16:18:27 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 09:50:29 2020. I have a push-pull 6B4G DHT amp built on a Dynaco Chassis. There are only the transformers and a few bits left from the original. I also have a Lo-V Aikido pre-amp that uses 6GM8 car radio tubes.It was a shame they abandoned tubes back in the 60s but they never completely went away. There was always the crowd that said they sounded better than transistors. |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Jan 9 16:38:51 2020, in response to Andy Byford's statement on the R-179 car saga, posted by gOld_12th on Thu Jan 9 07:08:23 2020. ..... and did they notice the part where the passenger making the original incident report (then) tweeted out "it was an older train car, not the newer, nicer cars" in response to a NY1 Transit Reporter asking to specify if the car in question was a R179???????....???????? |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jan 9 18:01:02 2020, in response to Re: R-179 car saga... The entire fleet is Out of Service! AM rush hour...haha, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jan 9 12:55:28 2020. Looks like a '58 Pacer. They were pretty ugly. In 59 they cut back on the models and by 60 they were done. The '60 did away with the Edsel look but it was too late. |
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