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Posted by chuchubob on Mon Jan 6 17:00:11 2020 November 30, 1974: one train from Washingtron, DC, and two from New York approaching the bridge over the Schuylkill River to South Philadelphia near Arsenal Tower  
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jan 6 17:04:33 2020, in response to PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains, posted by chuchubob on Mon Jan 6 17:00:11 2020. Ah, for the good old days. Great shots! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 6 17:41:36 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains, posted by Dave on Mon Jan 6 17:04:33 2020. If the E60s had been merely electronically upgraded GG1 clones they could still be in service; instead we are on a 4th generation of electrics of dubious improvements. |
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Re: PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jan 6 21:47:14 2020, in response to PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains, posted by chuchubob on Mon Jan 6 17:00:11 2020. Back when the game was still played at John F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium. That was about the only time it was used for football anymore - once a year just for that game. They even put up wooden goalposts, which were always torn down at game's end. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Jan 6 23:25:21 2020, in response to PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains, posted by chuchubob on Mon Jan 6 17:00:11 2020. Great photos! thanks for posting. |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Jan 7 09:02:12 2020, in response to PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains, posted by chuchubob on Mon Jan 6 17:00:11 2020. Great photos. When did the Army-Navy game service stop running? |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jan 7 11:15:46 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 6 17:41:36 2020. Didn't the GG1s have cracks in them? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 7 13:22:04 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jan 7 11:15:46 2020. yes, they were suffering metal fatigue, and had PCB based coolant in the electricalhardware. What I was trying to point out is that as a design they were very excellent. At 1978, they had served well for 30 years. nThe E60s came and went. The AEM7s did well, the HHPs have come and gone, now we have the Siemens units. b So, the E60s and the HHPs were bothpoor performers which were scrapped after short service lives.A "new" GG1 from newer better alloy steel with modern electronics and IF assembled by a competent builder, we might have gotten both a great performerand a continuation of one of the finest looking enginesever produced IMHO. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 7 14:54:21 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 7 13:22:04 2020. I agree about a “modern" GG1. I have mentioned in several posts regarding PCCs that a modern PCC streetcar (or LRV as such railcars are now called) with state of the art components and modifications for ADA compliance can certainly be constructed. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Jan 8 15:23:32 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 6 17:41:36 2020. E60's are still running in their intended role as freight engines at some places out west and baby versions are still in service in Taiwan. The problem with the E60 were 90mph+ operations using 3 axle freight trucks. The GG1s were high speed in the sense that they were geared for 90 or 100 at the time when 70mph was the standard. Amtrak tried a few at 110mph and it was ultimately a failure.The AEM7's lasted in service just as long as the GG1s (1940-1980 vs 1980-2017) without the benefit of freight service duty cycles. Overseas Swedish Rc4s are also still in operation. GG1's could not hold a candle to modern electric traction systems in day-to-day operation. The only issue was that none were preserved in an operational capacity for special occasions. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 15:27:18 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Jan 8 15:23:32 2020. PWNED! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 8 17:49:20 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Jan 8 15:23:32 2020. yes, the AEM7s were good motors. And yes,the GG1s were obsolete. That said, a GG1body with all of the then state of the art hardware that made the AEM7s robust would have been nice. Sometimes you are better off clean slate,sometimes not. I am a victim of a subway (BART) which made almost no good design decisions. Given that Parsons, Brinckhoff... was the lead firm of the design/management consortiumand they were the corporatedescendant of THE Parsons who designed the IRT, what we got was shameful.It took 20 years for the management to figure out coordinating schedules for cross platform transfers and they still can't runas many TPH as CTA was capable of with "obsolete" electric relay driven signals in the 1950s. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Thu Jan 9 06:45:04 2020, in response to PHOTOS: GG1s with Army-Navy Game trains, posted by chuchubob on Mon Jan 6 17:00:11 2020. That shot of #925 appears to have a red (or orange) "P" on the nose logo. Back in the days when I had more hair & less gut :o) |
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