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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 8 13:15:21 2018, in response to BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 13:01:31 2018. what you show in the first pic is Chesapeake & O not Baltimore & Ohio which always featured a Capitol Dome--either a cast plaque or lated a painted emblem. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 8 13:31:14 2018, in response to BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 13:01:31 2018. The LIRR one shown killed the engineer. He never had a chance.I think it wasa gravel truck, and some of that gravel is stil laying around to the side of that crossing. The remaining LIRR RDC was traded to the B&O, survived early MARC service, in return for B&O butt-end observation car "Napannee" |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 15:33:43 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 8 13:15:21 2018. My mistake. I A S S U M E D it was B & O as I read the faded Ohio on the upper portion of the Car.Thanks for the correction. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 15:39:02 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 8 13:31:14 2018. Were there only two Budd RDC's on the LIRR? If so, rode on them in the late '50's or early '60's. ,from Oakdale to Babylon when Babylon station was at grade level. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 8 15:51:58 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 15:39:02 2018. Except for a brief Budd RDC demo, they were the only 2 LIRR ever had. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 16:17:23 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 8 15:51:58 2018. Well how about that!I guessed the LIRR had more , for service on the Babylon/Patchogue Scoot and for Greenport service.  At South Hampton .jpg) At Myrtle-Wyckoff  The location is somewhere on Long Island. The light poles are typical of Belt Parkway and Northern/Southern Parkways.  On the Dock at Greenport 1956. 
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 16:38:54 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 16:17:23 2018. And then there are more.At Bayshore, heading to Babylon.  Note "Dashing Dan" Drum Head  At Riverhead,LI  On the Nontauk Branch at Babylon 1955. 
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 8 17:50:20 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 16:17:23 2018. No, they had just two, 3101 and 3121. Those are the same two cars you keep showing us. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 21:32:38 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 8 17:50:20 2018. I'm glad you made that observation as they went all over Diesel territory. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 9 00:02:41 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 15:39:02 2018. I recall going on a fan trip with them sometime around 1960. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 9 06:49:36 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 16:17:23 2018. The location is Queens, that's the Cross Island Pkwy in the background. That archway on the parkway, although fenced in after abandonment of the Creedmoor Branch, remained intact for may years until the parkway was rebuilt.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 9 06:51:57 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 16:17:23 2018.
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 9 07:12:37 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 9 06:51:57 2018. Haha, I have an LIRR book that basically said the same thing about another pic. :-)Fast disappearing are the days when it wasn't that hard to couple any 2 passenger cars together. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 9 07:14:19 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 9 06:49:36 2018. If that was the same fan trip where they went on the Evergreen branch, it must have been totally awesome! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 9 08:46:38 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 9 06:49:36 2018. I had my suspicions, but which side of the cross island is it, east or west?I can't be sure judging by the shadows. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 9 08:48:43 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 9 07:12:37 2018. Did anyone tell Budd |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Tue Oct 9 11:05:50 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 8 13:31:14 2018. An MP-54 hitting a gravel truck would have probbably destroyed the first third to half of the first car.... |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 9 11:33:17 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 9 08:48:43 2018. C&O used what looked to be a gas electric trailer--as in shorter, lighter weight but not a real "lightweight" behind an RDC on trains between Newport News and Charlottesville. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 9 13:58:49 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 9 08:48:43 2018. Maybe that's part of the reason why the LIRR didn't continue with those RDC's or any others. :-S |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 9 14:13:46 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 9 13:58:49 2018. Budds did very well on many roads; were tried and got rid of on others. excellent in commuter, local service tasks. And, in B&O's case did nicely between Phl (lter BAL) and PGH. Served lunch in a dining section. One of the two such modified RDC 2s is at the B&O Museum in Baltimore. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 9 15:38:50 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 9 14:13:46 2018. Wow, the B&O ran an RDC all the way to Pittsburgh? SEPTA is barely considering doing service out from Harrisburg.Didn't the CNJ and/or Conrail also have a modified car for the Wall Street Express and/or the Crusader? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 9 16:06:43 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 9 07:14:19 2018. f that was the same fan trip where they went on the Evergreen branch, it must have been totally awesome!I believe so. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 9 16:08:10 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 9 08:46:38 2018. I had my suspicions, but which side of the cross island is it, east or west?Either east or south. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 9 17:43:05 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 9 08:48:43 2018. Nobody told Budd, but they some how found it, got mad, and cancelled their warranty. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 9 17:44:52 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 9 06:51:57 2018. A T54 or P54 ?T54's had no marker lights, though had MU cables. When on the Patchogue Scoot, they hauled BM62 RPO car 7743. An MU would haul it in from Penn Station. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 9 17:45:57 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 9 15:38:50 2018. That's nothing. The Western Pacific ran one from Oakland to Salt Lake City ("Zephyrette") |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 9 17:48:51 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 21:32:38 2018. They ran on all the diesel lines at one time or another, except the Port Jeff, which had no use for a 2 car train. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 9 18:02:53 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by nasadowsk on Tue Oct 9 11:05:50 2018. Depends on the MP54. The arch roof ones has 12" collision posts as did the MP54A1 (clerestory) of 1930. The prior ones had 5" posts, and would readily telescope in wrecks. In diesel service, the clerestory roof P54's were banned from front and rear after the wrecks. The clerestory roof PB54's combines had seats removed. None of those survived the late 50's modernization era.The RVC wreck on gauntlet track neatly sliced the arch roof MP54 down the middle, but left the cab portion and collision post intact. Engineer survived. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 9 19:12:05 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 9 11:33:17 2018. Any photos available? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 10 00:10:07 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 9 19:12:05 2018. I did photograph one in 1960 or so but have not scanned any of my 116 negatives yet. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Oct 10 06:50:47 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 9 15:38:50 2018. Didn't the CNJ and/or Conrail also have a modified car for the Wall Street Express and/or the CrusaderReading Company bought 1-ea RDC2 & RDC3 from the Boston & Maine in the 1960s and rebuilt both with a snack bar in the former baggage sections for the conversion of the Philly-Newark service to self propelled, bi-directional train sets. Even though the service lost money RDG wanted to provide a little something extra for the riders on this route. The cars were staffed only for the Crusader & Wall Street trains and carried "Refreshment Car" labeling on the sides. The RDC3 survives in excursion service for Reading & Northern with a fully functional lunch counter section:   |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 10 09:19:37 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 8 16:17:23 2018. Not Myrtle-Wyckoff, but 15-50 Covert St. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 10 10:43:26 2018, in response to Re: BUDD RDC Nose Art, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 9 17:43:05 2018. I dont think that LIRR told them, and I don't know if they found out, LIRR was conscious of the issue, and decided to go ahead anyway. I intentionally void warranties that way too. What the heck, it belongs to us and we will do as we please. If there is an issue later that is on us, but guess what... The LIRR has enough mechanical ability and forces to fix things. They do not need the warranty.ROAR |
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