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"Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project" |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 06:35:39 2018 Trump_Unravelling |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 3 07:07:35 2018, in response to "Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project", posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 06:35:39 2018. Not a problem.With the loss in jobs resulting from the upcoming trade war, we won't need the extra capacity. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 07:12:04 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by AlM on Sat Mar 3 07:07:35 2018. That and the trade war, vindictive, insane behavior from a madman with dangerous consequences. If his stupid cabinet had any brains, they'd invoke the 25th amendment and get him out of there now. But when the robot DOT Secretary sleeps with the dope of a Senate majority leader from Kentucky, forget about it. |
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Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'' |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 3 09:04:20 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 07:12:04 2018. Unfortunately, it would require actual mushroom clouds appearing over our cities, before the Cabinet saw the light (literally) about Trump. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 10:33:52 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 07:12:04 2018. Way to go, bingbong. You sound about as bright as maxine waters. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 10:40:39 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 3 09:04:20 2018. One has to wonder why the obama administration never embraced this project, especially when they had 2 years of total control of the house and Senate. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 10:43:04 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 10:33:52 2018. Oh you are one fucking moron. Must be what the blowhards on Fox told you to think today |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 10:46:09 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 10:40:39 2018. The project did not exist in Obama's first 2 years. Federal commitment for predecessor ARC was $2.7 Billion. Christie killed that in 2010. By then, you stupid right wingers started taking over Congress, then the White House. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 11:21:13 2018, in response to "Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project", posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 06:35:39 2018. This is probably only the MOST IMPORTANT transportation infrastructre project in the nation.But, hey, you didn't vote for the Donald so what can I say, What can I say? ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 11:23:46 2018, in response to "Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project", posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 06:35:39 2018. This is probably only the MOST IMPORTANT transportation infrastructre project in the nation.But, hey, you didn't vote for the Donald so what can I say, What can I say? ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 11:26:13 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 10:43:04 2018. Far better than the dungheads at AP MSNBC NBC and CNN.At least Fox gets the news right. Political shows are a separate issue. ROAR |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 11:28:34 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 10:43:04 2018. How do you know what I watch, bingbong? Peeping in my windows again? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 11:34:12 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 10:46:09 2018. LOL, "stupid right wingers"? We'll see what you genius lunatic liberals can manage in 2018. In the meantime, bingbong, why don't you see if you can get schmuck schumer to stop fucking with our President and maybe he'll get what he wants. Until then, fuck you, liberals. |
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Posted by boliqua2 on Sat Mar 3 12:28:01 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 11:34:12 2018. Yes . Lets Piss off the economic power houses of the united states by allowing less access to jobs and more off shoring and this guy is a "jobs" president. Yeah ok. And you red states take from the blue states. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Mar 3 12:32:47 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 11:34:12 2018. So trump is easy to fuck over? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 12:48:09 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by boliqua2 on Sat Mar 3 12:28:01 2018. I'd be real happy if some of the red states formed their own union and ditched the blue states.ROAR |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Mar 3 13:02:58 2018, in response to "Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project", posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 06:35:39 2018. The schema being proposed is an overly expensive and complicated solution to a simple problem. The simple solution is to add the 3rd and 4th tracks on either side of the existing 2 tracks from Newark Penn to Bergan Hill and bore the 2 new tunnels, one upstream and one downstream, next to the 2 existing tunnels and modify A interlocking in New York Penn to accommodate access to the new Penn South terminal.All 4 track would be available to both Amtrak and New Jersey Transit and would allow the restoration and upgrading of the existing North River tunnels. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 13:04:52 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 11:34:12 2018. Yes,stupid right wingers, like you think I am the same person as Bingbong, which means you are stupid and too stupid to know that you are stupid,.Conservatives ride trains too and have just as much to lose with this. Trump retaliating against Schumer and risk losing 75% of tunnel capacity of one of them fails is reckless, selfish, stupid, and the hallmarks of a crazed fascist dictator. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 13:06:17 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 11:28:34 2018. You believe every conspiracy theory Fox and Friends comes up with, like Obama bugged Trump Tower, or doctors ship EOB statements to the IRS. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Mar 3 13:09:21 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 12:48:09 2018. I see what you did there |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 13:11:47 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Sand Box John on Sat Mar 3 13:02:58 2018. They are following the ARC path into Penn Station, or we'd have to go through another DEIS. That saved money and many years. If you put a tube on either side, the Empire tunnel and LIRR access to WSY are in the way. So they had to come up on the south side.The NYPS interlocking will be modified to serve NYPS-South. Any tunnel tube will access existing Penn Station and South and either railroad can use them, though Amtrak will not want to go to NYPS-South. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 13:45:48 2018, in response to "Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project", posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 06:35:39 2018. NJ should pay the lion's share. NY and the feds should help. This is not a project of national importance, but of regional. Amtrak has plenty of capacity with two Hudson River tubes, it's New Jersey commuters who need this built. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 3 14:20:30 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 13:45:48 2018. Interstate Highways are overwhelmingly of regional importance and yet the US has paid 90% of the cost.This is a matter of changing the rules because the project only applies to states that don't like the president. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 14:37:09 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 13:45:48 2018. 2 Hudson River tubes may not last 10 years without long term closure. Amtrak's share is still 2/3rds of the air/rail travel market for the southern half of the NEC.I agree NJ should pay more than NY, but the Federal govt should be 50%. Most highway projects are not of national importance either, yet get federal money. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 14:37:47 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by AlM on Sat Mar 3 14:20:30 2018. That would include I-495. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Mar 3 14:43:25 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 13:11:47 2018. . . . the Empire tunnel and LIRR access to WSY are in the way. So they had to come up on the south side.I see you are of from the spend a dollar to save a dime school. I say spend the dime on doing the minor modifications to the Empire alignment and the West Side Yard leads and save the other 90 cents following the more direct alignment of the existing North River tunnels. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 14:54:55 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 13:06:17 2018. He *did* bug the Trumps. Or do you live an a private box by yourself.ROAR |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Mar 3 15:21:25 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Sand Box John on Sat Mar 3 14:43:25 2018. likely smarter in the long run. once the orange liar is in the rubber room farm where he belongs... |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 15:22:11 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 14:54:55 2018. That has been completely refuted and the case was closed. Dream on or keep listening to Fox. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 15:24:06 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Sand Box John on Sat Mar 3 14:43:25 2018. Do you know that for a fact ? And what about a new DEIS that I told you about that will put this off even more years ? If it were practical for a straight alignment, they'd have done it. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 3 15:48:13 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 14:54:55 2018. LOL.I suspect the US bugged various Russian spies when they were talking with the Trumps on the phone. :) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 3 15:57:56 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 13:45:48 2018. What should have happened:NJ - 50%. NY - 30%. FED - 20%. There. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 15:58:30 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by AlM on Sat Mar 3 14:20:30 2018. Highways can be used by anyone with a car (most Americans). I may be a railfan, but I'm a realist. Highways ARE a national interest. Passenger rail is not. That being said, there's nothing wrong with passenger rail, or Amtrak. I just oppose the feds supporting a hugely expensive project whose benefits would be limited to a small region. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 16:02:00 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 14:37:09 2018. The federal government should pay the smallest percentage, not half. As I stated elsewhere, highways are far more important to far more people than Amtrak will ever be, and this expansion project benefits almost one group exclusively, the residents of northern New Jersey. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 16:04:30 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 3 15:57:56 2018. This is a perfectly fair formula. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 16:07:32 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 11:23:46 2018. Hardly. It's importance is limited to the northeast. An area almost universally hostile to Donald Trump. Why should he bend over backwards for people for which a vast majority accuse him of being a racist, Russian puppet? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 16:08:34 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 10:40:39 2018. Too many other, more important things to destroy. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Mar 3 16:17:49 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 15:24:06 2018. Do you know that for a fact ?Why do you think the commercial enterprise know as the Pennsylvania Railroad chose the existing alignment? Answer, because it was the cheapest and simplest to exacute based on the technology of that era. And what about a new DEIS that I told you about that will put this off even more years ? If it were practical for a straight alignment, they'd have done it. The environmental impact statement costs are peanuts compared to construction costs. Much of what is in the existing statement would be applicable to the existing alignment upgrade statement. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 16:21:41 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 3 15:57:56 2018. I'll buy that! |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 16:55:33 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by boliqua2 on Sat Mar 3 12:28:01 2018. I always forget which are the red states and which are the blue. I'm not sure about what you mean. Sorry. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 16:56:01 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 15:58:30 2018. FTA has been funding local rail projects for over 50 years. Care to give that up ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 16:58:08 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 3 15:57:56 2018. Not when highways get 90% federal. Commuters in autos are not entitled to such federal subsidies, and that is what most of them are . |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 16:59:45 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Sand Box John on Sat Mar 3 16:17:49 2018. You are playing armchair civil engineer. What the PRR did 110 years ago is now irrelevant. If life were as simple as you say, they would do it. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 17:00:30 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 3 15:57:56 2018. Certainly, before little mario uses state funds for free college for illegals immigrants, he should kick it for the tunnel |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 17:01:55 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 16:07:32 2018. We are a significant portion of national GDP.If I-70 in Colorado were to collapse under a rock slide, it would not be important to many people, but the so-called conservatives would run in with 90% federal money to rebuild it. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Mar 3 17:12:24 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 17:00:30 2018. speaking as one whose father arrived at Ellis on a less than clean passport (and in legitimate fear of the Bolsheviks who later shot his brother-in-law) I don't recognize the "illegals" category. As to free tuition, I believe in making college like elementary/middle/high public education--FREE. The benefits to all of us of better educated citizens/residents is well worth the investment. Education, police, fire, potable water, sanitation, healthcare, transit, are all marks of civilized modern societies--lack of any of these is a demerit. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Mar 3 17:24:04 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 16:02:00 2018. no, fixing the route used by 2/3 of Was-NYC travelers not driving is not merely NJ residents. And a couple fewer useless F35s or worse than uselass Ospreys would pay a fair piece of the project even with all of the bakhshysh involved. Note that I live in CA but amhappier to have my Fed taxes pay for rebuilding/upgrading rail under the Hudson han pissing away billions on Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 17:29:11 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Mar 3 17:12:24 2018. Well on the other hand, my great grandparents arrived here on the Potsdam legally from Eastern Europe. Neither situation has any relevance to the current immigration situation in this country. As to free college education for all I would remind you that nothing is free. Someone will be paying the freight. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 17:47:42 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Mar 3 16:55:33 2018. This comes from TV news shows depicting the "Good" (liberal/leftist/Democrat) states as BLUE, and the "Bad" (Republican/Conservative) states as RED.The colors (of course) come from War maps that show the good guys as blue and the bad guys as red. The TV noobs carefully chose this to enforce their own leftist opinions subliminally. They cannot fool the LIONS, they *know* better. ROAR |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 17:49:23 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 17:01:55 2018. Amtrak isn't vital to our GDP |
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