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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 10 08:24:11 2017, in response to [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 10 07:56:35 2017. Ok...I agree that it does not look like Tottenville. My guess- and it is just that- a guess, is that this is St. George before the 1946 fire. I can see in the right the bridge of a ferry (with the name showing!). I know there was a ferry from Tottenville- but this just isn't Tottenville, but is close to a dock area. Hence= St. George :)But clearly, it's not today's terminal, which is underneath the bus ramps, and looks "underground"... (like Lenox/148th...) So Main says "St. George, before the 1946 fire!". But Main, like his namesake neighborhood, is always willing to change. So anyone who can prove me wrong- that's fine too. But to me, it's pre-fire St. George 'till proven otherwise. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jul 10 08:36:22 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 10 08:24:11 2017. The Tottenville station of today is quite different, but still right at the water, but St George isn't quite that close to the water. I rode the ferry on its last day of operation, a Sunday, back in the early 60's. The boat was basically in the same location as in this shot. I recall being amazed at how close the train was to the water. The ferry went to Perth or South Amboy; I can't recall. I do recall getting there and finding absolutely nothing, except a grocery store, which came in handy. Also there would be a train yard off to the left.My memory, my opinion. Good picture, nevertheless. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 10 08:38:18 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 10 08:24:11 2017. Ok, I took a look at other pics on nycsubway.org of Tottenville from way back when. MAYBE it is Tottenville after all..The Ferry (to Perth Amboy) is in the right place for it to be. But those tracks are built on a pier over the water. Today- and for at least the past 50+ years (look at the pics from 1964..) the Tottenville station is on land. So if that's Tottenville, some MAJOR landfilling operation took place there since the photo was taken. That's why I like St. George better- the whole place was reconstructed after the fire. |
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Posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Mon Jul 10 08:38:50 2017, in response to [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 10 07:56:35 2017. I don't believe that is Tottenville. In looking at the photo a second time that looks like a ferry on the right side. There was a Carteret ferry decades ago, I have never seen a photo of the SIRT North Shore lines terminal but it could be that terminal. In addition, Tottenville has a center platform for two tracks on the right side. The platform on the left could have been removed but I have never heard mention of there ever being one. Also in Tottenville to the right of the tracks is Ellis Street which ran along the entire route of the train from Arthur Kill Road to the waterfront where a large restaurant has been located. The water could never have come that close to the tracks. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jul 10 08:56:33 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Mon Jul 10 08:38:50 2017. The ferry went to S. Amboy; discontinued about 1962-63. The platform on the extreme right "disappeared" a long time back, and only the pilings remained.I believe in the 80's the whole station was redone. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Jul 10 09:00:24 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jul 10 08:56:33 2017. The ferry went to Perth Amboy. The Perth Amboy ferry terminal has been preserved and restored as an historic landmark. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 10 10:11:53 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jul 10 08:36:22 2017. The Perth Amboy ferry slip is still there, at the end of Smith Street.Postcard is from 1904; Wikipedia pic is from 2011.   |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jul 10 10:23:54 2017, in response to [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 10 07:56:35 2017. Probably Tottenville.The ferry housing at the right and the water is situated just as it was when the Perth Amboy Ferry still ran. This is St. George in 1925: 
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 10 10:34:17 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 10 08:38:18 2017. The station does directly abut the water, so it would not have to be a major landfilling operation at all.Meanwhile, the 1924 aerial photo shows it as a pier over water, consistent with the photo. http://maps.nyc.gov/doitt/nycitymap/?z=9&p=914368,126051&c=GIS1924 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 10 10:37:32 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by SLRT on Mon Jul 10 10:23:54 2017. That station looks big enough to accommodate subways under Victory Boulevard, Forest Avenue and Richmond Avenue, if those had ever been built. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 10 10:39:03 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Mon Jul 10 08:38:50 2017. Ellis Street only extends to the east end of the station. Much of the station's length is directly on the water.This could not be the terminal of the North Shore line, which not only was significantly inland, but was not a "terminal" in that the tracks continued (and continue to this day!) over a bridge into New Jersey. The Carteret Ferry did not connect to the SIRT as it was at the foot of Victory Boulevard. Elizabeth is where the SIRT North Shore Line extends to. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jul 10 11:05:51 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 10 10:37:32 2017. It was the terminal, and the transfer point to Perth Amboy. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jul 10 11:07:38 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 10 10:39:03 2017. Elizabeth is where the SIRT North Shore Line extends to.I don't know about now, but the SIRT went to Cranford Junction, NJ. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 10 11:18:45 2017, in response to [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 10 07:56:35 2017.  |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 10 12:38:01 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 10 10:11:53 2017. So the slip is in the town? I thought it was next to the station, but when I went there a couple of years ago, there was only the remains of a pier. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jul 10 13:03:35 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville?, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 10 12:38:01 2017. Both. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 10 13:13:08 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by SLRT on Mon Jul 10 11:07:38 2017. I know, but I was referring to the place directly across from the SI end of the SIRT.Also, it no longer extends to Cranford Junction, but both when it connected to Cranford Junction and its current connection to the Chemical Coast Line goes/went through Elizabeth. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Jul 10 13:40:45 2017, in response to [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 10 07:56:35 2017. B&O SIRT ran the ferry service until 1945. Then it was operated by a private operator until 1963. Car traffic on the ferry dropped substantially whrn the Outerbridge Crossing opened in 1928. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Jul 10 13:40:45 2017, in response to [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 10 07:56:35 2017. B&O SIRT ran the ferry service until 1945. Then it was operated by a private operator until 1963. Car traffic on the ferry dropped substantially whrn the Outerbridge Crossing opened in 1928. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Jul 10 15:20:17 2017, in response to [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 10 07:56:35 2017. I see AMBOY on that ferry so it's probably Tottenville. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 10 15:40:04 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 10 08:24:11 2017. The name of the ferry in the picture is Amboy. Therefore . . . |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 10 15:42:38 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by VictorM on Mon Jul 10 15:20:17 2017. Yes! I saw the name too. Surprised no one else did. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jul 10 16:09:29 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 10 15:40:04 2017. I saved the photo and blew it up and saw something that looked like AMBOY or maybe it had a letter before the "AMBOY," or it got blurred when I zoomed it up? :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 10 16:44:02 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 10 10:34:17 2017. Looks like it filled in before 1951. They probably put in the yard tracks at the same time.Interesting that the remains of the pier that probably wasn't for passengers is still visible. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 10 17:48:33 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by SLRT on Mon Jul 10 10:23:54 2017. The tail track on the right must be gone now. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 11 12:18:37 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 10 17:48:33 2017. I do not think that it is gone. But I think that it did not extend this far into the station. Remember that a train backed into the water onetime in the past 3-4 years.ROAR |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jul 11 13:21:49 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 11 12:18:37 2017. guess it wanted to join it's retired brethren down in those reefs maybe? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 11 13:59:49 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville?, posted by SLRT on Mon Jul 10 11:05:51 2017. I was talking about the St. George station. (No distinction between "station" and "terminal" originally.) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 11 14:16:55 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jul 10 08:36:22 2017. Thank you for sharing. I appreciate it. A little later, I concede that it MIGHT be Tottenville. Born in '68, I can say that I wasn't on that last ride with you :) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 11 14:19:57 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 10 10:34:17 2017. Hmmm...yes, and advance the picture to 2012, and sure enough, the area was filled in. Don't know why I didn't think to check that.All that aside, we can see that the pic is from the electric era. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 11 14:23:49 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 10 15:40:04 2017. I wasn't able to read that. But yes, it's pretty conclusive :) |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 11 18:14:48 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 11 12:18:37 2017. That R44 was written off the active roster. Anyone know where it is today ? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Jul 11 20:39:35 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Mon Jul 10 08:38:50 2017. It is Tottenville. The ferry is the PERTH AMBOY which ran from 1907 to 1948. I'm going to stick my neck out and say that this was the original station with two side platforms. There was a major fire at Tottenville in 1927 that destroyed several of the brand new MU cars and probably most of the wooden station and platforms. The single island platform and single level brick station house were built after that. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 11 20:40:58 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Jul 11 20:39:35 2017. They sure lost a lot of those to MU's to fires. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 12 06:50:08 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Jul 11 20:39:35 2017. There was a major fire at Tottenville in 1927 that destroyed several of the brand new MU cars and probably most of the wooden station and platforms.So that photo pre-dates 1927 ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 12 09:36:53 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 11 13:59:49 2017. Oh. Got it. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Jul 12 10:45:32 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 12 06:50:08 2017. Bill: I would imagine so. The oldest picture that I have of Tottenvile stations is from 1945 which is more or less the configuration of the station that we are familiar with. I am haven't a hard time finding any other documentation on the fire, even on the Staten Island web-sites. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 13 05:07:23 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Tottenville ?, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 10 15:40:04 2017. ...it goes to Brooklyn! Ta-dun-dun! :-) |
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