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Posted by randyo on Tue May 30 16:36:18 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 04:49:42 2017. From what I have seen it was only the one train and although its last trip was done on the Moe, I had the good fortune to get it on the Larry. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 30 16:39:10 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 04:57:37 2017. If you check the chase scenes, some of them do show B signs. Since the scenes were shot over several days, it all depended on what the Yd/M had available on any given day. Considering what was running on the B at the time they probably would have been better off using R-32s. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 30 17:39:28 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 30 01:12:48 2017. The R32's have to run somewhere even after the R179, so it might as well be the J and not deal with AC issues on the C. J like patron also don't seem to mind them as much as CPW. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue May 30 19:06:47 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 30 14:54:07 2017. I did notice the difference with the R-40M and R-42, and the similarities between the R-40M and R-40 (since the R-40 was the mainstay where I was, I got to see them often). Like you, I didn't know the R numbers, and even thought the R-38s were somewhat equidistant in age between the R-9 and R-42. Ah, the days of being uninformed. :-) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:10:23 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by 3-9 on Tue May 30 19:06:47 2017. I remember the first time I saw the R-38s. It was rush hour on June 27, 1968 and an R-38 Ethel pulled in on the s/b express track at 42ns St. I thought, that's weird - fluted only halfway up. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:13:28 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by randyo on Tue May 30 16:39:10 2017. Funny you should mention the R-32s. The train directly above Gene Hackman just as that Ford smashes into him where the line turns onto 86th St. is an R-32 consist.The film crew installed their equipment on 4572-73, so it could be at one end of the train or the other - or in the middle. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 30 19:15:47 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:10:23 2017. I though of the R38 as an IND car and the R32 as a BMT car. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:16:07 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 30 10:58:47 2017. I remember riding on a dark lead motor of a prewar Ethel to Roosevelt Ave on - of all days - July 1, 1968. My mother and I were on our way to LGA to meet my aunt, who flew in from Chicago to see a performance at Lincoln Center. There was no security then, either. We just walked right to the gate where her plane was. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:16:59 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 30 13:08:03 2017. In the case of the R-32s, that would be the Three Stooges Division.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:18:16 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by randyo on Tue May 30 16:34:48 2017. I remember seeing n/b Ethel trains pass the s/b platform at 42nd St. with "City of New York" visible. Did Jamaica Yard have mostly R-6/7s by the late 60s? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:19:17 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by William A. Padron on Tue May 30 09:37:22 2017. The Qs even outlasted the standards!!! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:19:54 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by randyo on Tue May 30 16:36:18 2017. You're catching on.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:21:56 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by MainR3664 on Tue May 30 07:33:49 2017. I understand that people have even wondered out loud, "Are those new cars?" when the IND old timers would pull in, snarling and hissing. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:24:38 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Joe V on Tue May 30 17:39:28 2017. They will most likely serve out their final days on the Three Stooges Division. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 30 19:30:30 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 30 01:12:48 2017. There are both 5 and 4 car sets of R179. The reason they are going to the A/C is to give them a common shop. My prediction is all R160s go back to the J, the remaining R42s will be retired and replaced with R32s from the C. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 21:01:20 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Joe V on Tue May 30 19:15:47 2017. I still associate the R-32s with the BMT, too, particularly the N. My very first subway ride was on a shiny new R=-32 N on July 21, 1965. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 30 21:13:55 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 21:01:20 2017. Pre-MTA, it seems that the TA did get different cars for the BMT and IND divisions:Arnines of course were IND, as they all predated unification. R-10: IND R-11: BMT R-16: BMT R-27/30: BMT R-32: BMT R-38: IND R-40 (Slant and Modified): IND By the time the R-42s came around, MTA was in existence, and even though there were still references to the BMT and IND, it was basically "B" Division. Chrystie helped to blur the lines. So the R-42s cut across both IND and BMT. In effect, the R-44s were IND, because at that time, only IND lines (A, D, E, F) were running 600-foot trains, even though of course the D was running on BMT trackage in Brooklyn. Initially, the R-46 was only on the F, but after the 8/30/76 service changes (EE eliminated, N replacing it on Queens Blvd), finally, an R-46 was assigned to a legacy BMT line (which was IND in Queens) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 30 21:27:56 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 30 19:30:30 2017. The A/C do not share a common shop. The A fleet is inspected at Pitkin, the C fleet is inspected at 207th. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue May 30 21:42:22 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 21:01:20 2017. Same here.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by gbs on Wed May 31 02:55:26 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by randyo on Mon May 29 16:29:04 2017. So you're one of those motormen who operated BMT equipment both left-handed and right-handed? And often on the same day? Assuming you learned first one way only and did that for a while, how hard was it to learn the other (backwards) way? Did you sometimes confuse the two? It seems like it must have been like trying to write with your non-dominant hand, or playing the guitar reversed. When was the first class of motormen to come out of school car without having learned the original BMT controls? At some point future train operators won't learn SMEE operation. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 31 07:08:01 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:18:16 2017. They had to surrender their R7 and R9's to ENY during 1968 and 1969 as the R40's came in. What Arnines remained were pure junk. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 31 07:12:04 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 30 21:27:56 2017. DId you get A & C backwards ? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed May 31 07:19:01 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 30 09:00:15 2017. My bad. Forgot about the Q cars on the Myrtle EL. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 31 08:03:48 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:21:56 2017. And with the dim lights!!You'd think it would be obvious that the Arnines are old... I guess not. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 31 08:07:07 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 30 13:08:03 2017. I wonder how much OT is spent re--locating cars between yards... I mean, great for the T/Os who earn it (not them who made the decision to move cars)... but is it really a good use of farepayers' money? While I'm willing to hear any explanation, I tend to doubt it. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 31 08:12:27 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Joe V on Wed May 31 07:08:01 2017. I know from memory that they had some in service in 1975, and I've seen pics on nycsubway.org of an Arnine on the F in 1976.As a 7 year old, I did not like them at all. If mom had let one pass by and wait for an R44, I'd have been ok with that. I was surprised that mom was unfazed by such old crappy cars on the F. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 31 08:17:34 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 30 10:48:11 2017. It makes sense.Why enact some mass exodus from one yard to another,when it can be kept simple. As the 179 come in,move the 160s to 207,and the 32s to whatever heaven there is for retired railcars. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 31 08:29:29 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 30 19:30:30 2017. Would be great if that were the case,but we know the A and C don't share shops. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 31 08:47:19 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Joe V on Tue May 30 17:39:28 2017. Why not share the pain by spreading them about different routes? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 31 08:48:22 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by randyo on Tue May 30 16:39:10 2017. Did I read somewhere that M/M in the train of the French Connection crash scene was a real motorman? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 31 11:16:33 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 31 08:47:19 2017. Their AC compressors don't like hot tunnels and they don't run on any Southern Division trains in case it needs to be rerouted via Montague. So there is not much else they can run except the J line. I don't think they want old, unreliable trains running on the M. |
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Posted by trains61 on Wed May 31 12:23:10 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 31 08:48:22 2017. Yes he was. Willie Cokes I believe Selkirk said his name was.The Lurkers` Guild |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 31 12:41:39 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Joe V on Wed May 31 11:16:33 2017. But its just fine for J riders?What the heck...at one point, you couldn't find a 32 on Any eastern division route at Anytime. Now that those cars became long in the tooth...its perfectly okay to remove NEW CARS FROM THE EAST,and replace them with relics. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 31 13:30:21 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by trains61 on Wed May 31 12:23:10 2017. Coke |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 31 13:33:33 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 31 12:41:39 2017. They bitch less than anyone else, i.e. they are politically impotent.When they swapped the QJ and M to South Brooklyn, the QJ with R27's and R42's became the J with Arnines. They gotta go somewhere. Where do you want them ? And what difference does it make ? They are no slower than an R160, don't have excessively verbose auto-announcements to slow them up, have hard bench seats, and have AC. What more do you want ? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed May 31 15:23:25 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 30 21:27:56 2017. No sir. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed May 31 15:31:05 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Joe V on Wed May 31 11:16:33 2017. And the M is underground much longer than the J as well (except nights and weekends). |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed May 31 15:31:24 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 31 08:48:22 2017. So was the c/r.They are both deceased. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 31 16:04:57 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 31 08:12:27 2017. I worked as the Church Av T/D from July 1976 until December of that year and there were still quite a few R-1/9s on both the GG and the F. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 31 16:08:32 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed May 31 15:31:24 2017. I hadn’t heard about the C/R but the M/M passed away of a heart attack. while sitting in the crew room at 179 St awaiting his train. Talk about life imitating art! I had heard that the C/R got into a bit of trouble with the TA but that the agency gave him the opportunity to resign rather than be terminated and he went to work for the Sanitation Dept. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 31 16:41:15 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 30 21:13:55 2017. Actually, R-10 3000 was delivered with BMT roll signs and it was rumored the the 3000 series R-10s were supposed to be assigned to the BMT. When the R-16 arrived, 50 of them were sent to the IND possibly with the intent of having all of them assigned to the A. As for the R-32s, It was initially rumored that they were to go to the Queens IND but when they came in, they ended up on the BMT instead. The R-11s were the first cars to actually have roll signs for both the BMT and the iND and as I mentioned in my other posts, I rode them first on the IND A Line. According to the IND old timers, the 10 R-11s in a solid train were often kept on A5 Tk N/O 125 St with a full crew as a manned gap train to be used in case an A or D went out of service. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 31 16:44:26 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:10:23 2017. What’s interesting about the fluting on the stainless steel cars is that both the BMT Zephyr and the R-11s, both Budd products, only had the fluting halfway up but the R-32s had the fluting all the way up. Had Budd gotten the R-38 contract, the fluting on those would have been only halfway up since I heard that the all the way up fluting made the cars too noisy. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 31 16:45:12 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 30 19:19:17 2017. Yup! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 31 17:08:52 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by gbs on Wed May 31 02:55:26 2017. The 3 Av El M/M must have had the same problem when the Qs came over since the manhattan el cars and the Composites both had right handed controls. Also remember that while most BMT equipment had “left handed” controls, the Multis were right handed and from the mid 1940s on, there were various IND cars sent to the BMT starting with R-1/9s on the 4 Av Lcls and R-10s and 16s in the BMT East. I would say that the first M/M class to come out of school car without having to learn left handed controls would have been very late 1969 after Myrtle shut down. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 31 17:14:33 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by randyo on Wed May 31 16:41:15 2017.  Line: IND Rockaway...Location: Rockaway Park/Beach 116th Street... Route: A...Car: R-16 (American Car & Foundry, 1955) 6312... Collection of: David Pirmann...from nycsubway.org |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 31 17:15:33 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 31 13:30:21 2017. Correct. William Coke was the MM. He gets credit on the film. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 31 17:17:23 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 31 17:14:33 2017. What else was on the roll signs of those 50 R16's ? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 31 17:19:53 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by randyo on Wed May 31 16:41:15 2017.  Line: BMT Nassau Street/Jamaica Line...Location: Myrtle Avenue... Car: R-10 (American Car & Foundry, 1948)... Collection of: Joe Testagrose...from nycsubway.org  Line: BMT Nassau Street/Jamaica Line...Location: Fulton Street... Car: R-10 (American Car & Foundry, 1948)... Photo by: Frank Pfuhler...Date: 11/11/1954...from nycsubway.org |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed May 31 19:32:08 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 30 10:58:47 2017. How I remember that,,,WE-44 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 31 19:54:55 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] When The R-40M's Were New, posted by randyo on Wed May 31 17:08:52 2017. Big Ed said he went back and forth fairly easily. |
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