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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 13 22:50:31 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 13 22:31:46 2016. I don't usually mind the two minutes or so delay (I suspect that's the biggest issue?). I don't really see any other reason to be annoyed at full serve.There's also only two situations I fill up. 1. During a long drive. In this instance, usually I have a bunch of tasks queued up anyway when I'm stopping for gas, like texts to respond to, adjusting music playlist, or running inside to buy a snack or use the restroom. Obviously if my drive involves New Jersey this is accommodated nicely. 2. Regular hometown refilling. I usually need this maybe every 2 weeks. Since Albany is cold November-March (inclusive), we'll say that means 10 fills out of the 24 in the year. A collective total of 48 minutes a year, may as well be a rounding error. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 13 23:30:14 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 13 22:50:31 2016. Two minutes can be a long time. But the delay could be even longer. I don't see the need to have any delay at all. I can pump it myself and be gone. Also, gas attendants often don't fill past the click. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 23:39:41 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 13 22:50:31 2016. Most gas stations outside New York have a tab that locks the pump open. They have them in Western New York too, so it may just be in the NY Metro that they don't have them. In NY, I just jam the gas cap in there. Either way, I sit in the still warm car. Still better than full service.With full service, you still have to open the window and let the heat out. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 14 09:09:07 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 13 23:39:41 2016. You only need to open the window for a few seconds. The "hold open clips" are illegal in NYS (we are the last state to still have that stupid law in our fire codes and there are no signs that it will be removed) as is jamming the gas cap in there. Plus my newer car does not have a gas cap of that kind. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 14 09:15:12 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 13 23:30:14 2016. I never want them to fill past the click; so in that sense for me it's the opposite scenario, which I would see as a valid argument against full serve.And also, the rare occasion you want to pour in a fuel additive with your gas is made awkward with full serve. These also are not sufficient reason for me to favor self over full serve. In the summer time I also like having them clean the windshield of bug guts while filling up. Without hold-open clips you're stuck filling up, and then cleaning, whereas you can get both done simultaneously elsewhere (either yourself in other states, or by the attendant in NJ). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 14 10:17:17 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 14 09:09:07 2016. So you'd rather that full service be implemented rather than un-ban hold open clips? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 14 10:25:00 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 14 09:15:12 2016. The attendant never cleans the windshield when I stop for gas in NJ. They may have done that back in the glory days before the OPEC embargo, but it's rare nowadays. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 14 11:09:35 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 14 10:25:00 2016. They've done it every time I've asked (though I usually tip). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 14 11:20:50 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 14 10:17:17 2016. No, truthfully I'd rather they un-ban the clips. But, even when they do, it would still take years for gas stations to get them back (Massachusetts is going through this now). The only places that got them right away were ones where the gas station owner saved the clips ("I knew this day would come!") and the places that illegally kept them.However, if full service is implemented, hold open clips would immediately be reinstalled on NY pumps to make the attendants' jobs easier. If people complain, the full service mandate could be repealed, and the clips remain :). |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 14 12:38:15 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 14 11:09:35 2016. Well that's you throwing money away. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 14 12:38:23 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 14 10:25:00 2016. IAWTP |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 14 12:42:52 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 14 12:38:15 2016. No, I got a service for it. Throwing money away is what I'm about to do at the casino later today :). |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 14 13:14:47 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 14 12:42:52 2016. Ha, but why pay for a service you can easily do yourself? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 14 13:34:04 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 14 13:14:47 2016. I'm short and my arms are short. Combine that with a full size car and it is considerable effort to get the entire windshield, involving a lot of walking around. I also hate touching the provided squeegee and will almost always end up dripping or splashing myself.When I do it myself it's usually with the Windex and paper towels I have in the trunk. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Oct 14 13:46:01 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 14 10:25:00 2016. I clean my own windshield with the squeegee and paper towels. I only do this after my filling cycle, self-serve, is complete, as you should alway be alert for any problems filling your car up with gas. If you have short arms, yes it's hard doing the windshield. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 15 15:47:52 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 13 22:25:30 2016. All gas stations have at least one set of full-serve pumps, don't they? Certainly most do. If you're willing to pay a little more than at the self-serve pumps, you can have your full service. Usually about 10 cents/gallon more, I think, maybe 15. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 15 16:35:00 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 15 15:47:52 2016. Most do not. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 15 17:34:20 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 15 16:35:00 2016. Well, I checked two local stations, and one did and one didn't. At the one that did, the difference between the self-serve and full-serve prices was 20 cents/gallon, for all grades of gas. I think almost all stations used to have full-serve pumps, but it has become less common in recent years. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 15 18:01:51 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 15 15:47:52 2016. It has been 28 years since the Jersey gas tax last went up, and on Nov 1 it will still be less than Pennsyltucky's and New York's.Self service is a solution looking for a problem. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 15 19:06:18 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 15 18:01:51 2016. Self-service is a completely unrelated thing. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 15 23:54:38 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 15 19:06:18 2016. However, if self service pumps were available, the gas station could cut down on staff thereby resulting in savings some of which could be passed on to the consumer. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 16 00:53:01 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 15 23:54:38 2016. There are other benefits to self-serve such that it would be good even without a discount. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Oct 16 08:32:07 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 16 00:53:01 2016. About 15 years ago I paid the dealer $80 to find out that the gas station attendant hadn't put the gas cap on tight causing the "check engine" light to come on.Afterward when I told my brother about it he said that the owners manual for his Oldsmobile suggested checking the gas cap if the "check engine" light came on. I had looked in the owners manual for my Ford but there was nothing about checking the gas cap. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 16 08:50:04 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by merrick1 on Sun Oct 16 08:32:07 2016. Newer cars won't start if the gas cap is not on correctly. You have to tun it until you feel/hear "one click" at least. I've never had a gas cap problem , we have had self-serve in Penna. for eons. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 17 17:05:29 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 12 07:24:12 2016. So it's totally unrelated to this conversation. But yes, I'd also like to see HBLR extended to SI and replace the S89. With the alterations to the Bayonne Bridge, can it still be done? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 17 17:24:32 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 12 07:30:39 2016. I'm thinking more along the lines of an underground bus facility with whatever they want developed above it. Having just a bus yard with nothing developed above it is squandered potential for tax revenue. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 17 17:26:39 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 12 11:14:03 2016. They actually just opened up a newly expanded facility there for buses. It's not a bad layout. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 17 17:39:57 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 12 07:09:08 2016. If the survey was flawed then it should be done again with the question of the 7 train being put in there as well. It's the only way to gauge with any degree of accuracy whether or not this would be worth it. In the mean time, was there ever any information published on the result of bus ridership on routes running along Hoboken division branches into PABT after Secaucus Junction opened? As in, did riders who have one seat bus rides into PABT switch to rail when Secaucus Junction opened, or did they stick with their one seat bus ride?Engineering issues aside of a car (I'd imagine something with a recessed pantograph could be designed) that could fit in 63rd St, the operational flexibility of linking ESA with Gateway would depend on the ability of inter-agency cooperation to exist. Connecting the 2 would improve the impact they have by making better use of the new capacity each project provides. Admittedly, there would have to be some sort of thru running agreement to make this possible. While LIRR could theoretically yard in NJ after going through the tunnel, there's no place for NJT to yard on LI. That means this would have to be some sort of regional (say, 20 mile radius) thru-running operation. But is that something that is really so far fetched? Look at our region. Traffic is horrendous during ever increasing time periods, and not just at the choke points. A regional service could have a beneficial impact on other area highways as wells. It's not to say that there are mass amounts of people looking to get from, say, Jamaica to Newark, but these are areas that are so dense and already have so much movement on both ends that a regional service ends up serving needs that exist already with 1 train, rather than doing it with 2 and then wasting capacity on running an empty train from midtown to the yard. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 17 18:08:25 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 12 07:22:43 2016. "NS just told Amtrak (nicely) to go eff themselves with any service on the former LV RR. NJT has trackage rights to P-Burg, but not beyond. SO - to get across, one would have to pay NS a ransom for capacity expansion."This is the biggest and most unfortunate issue with passenger rail expansion in general, but it's not like the freights don't provide a huge benefit to traffic congestion. Either way, an Allentown train could be routed around the RVL locals easily with switch work. Between what times are those 63 buses arriving at the PABT? 63 gate slots is a big deal, 63 fewer buses going into the XBL and Lincoln Tunnel makes a dent, even if it only accounts for ~3.6% of total PABT traffic. Hudson County is exactly the reason why rail service needs to be expanded. Hudson County difficult to do with rail just because of the geography, and admittedly my proposals do very little to bring rail service there. Stations could be placed along the line that parallels 1&9, but those would be the very fringe of the neighborhoods. The real benefit to Hudson County from the expansion of rail service is the freeing up of capacity and making travel more fluid for the buses serving it. As I said, the space that exists needs to be made available primarily for areas that don't have a rail alternate. Hudson County is one of those places. The routes I listed don't have to be on anyone's current to-do list. The fact is, plain and simple, that they have the potential to make a real difference in the way this region moves and make the most of the existing infrastructure, without having to waste money on band aids and expansion of inefficient solutions. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 17 18:12:53 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 12 07:22:43 2016. Oh, and as for Hudson County, while it doesn't do much for ease of movement across the river, I think HBLR should be routed further up the coast to the more northern tunnel (Cliffside?) and terminate at Vince Lombardi. If the tunnel HBLR is currently routed through has space for 4 trackways, would it be physically possible to have that as the dedicated XBL, but have some sort of a "siding" for local buses to stop at Bergenline Av? I'm trying to envision how you get 2 peak direction lanes, 1 reverse peak lane, and 1 platform in there. Or if 2 lanes in each direction with a platform is possible. It's worth looking into because that would also help with getting Hudson County into Manhattan a bit. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 17 18:32:40 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 17 17:39:57 2016. It's not to say that there are mass amounts of people looking to get from, say, Jamaica to Newark, but these are areas that are so dense and already have so much movement on both ends that a regional service ends up serving needs that exist already with 1 train, rather than doing it with 2 and then wasting capacity on running an empty train from midtown to the yard.Actually you picked the two destinations that would draw multistate traffic - Long Islanders going to Newark Airport and New Jerseyans going to JFK. Not to mention, the convenience of a direct train between the two for flights involving a change in terminal transfer. I also find it plausible that someone from Long Island may find themselves working in Newark. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 17 18:54:37 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 17 18:32:40 2016. Like my mother....who lived in Port Washington (now in Syosset) and works in Newark. There are definitely a lot of people who do it, but that's not the main idea behind my plan. Plus, I'm not looking to send trains from that far out into NJ. Something a bit closer in. Let's use the GSP as the western boundary and the CIP as the eastern boundary. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 17 19:20:43 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 17 18:08:25 2016. That is 23 TBL and 8 Beiber buses, not 63, between 6am and 10am.Running 2 or 3 RVL trains to Allentown will not put Trans-Bridge out of business. Beiber service area starts deeper in Pennsylvania where TBL leaves off. (They also ate the defunct Capitol Trailways Harrisburg - PABT service a few years ago). As it is, Annandale + High Bidge RVL loadings are about 120 a day. There are Trans-Bridge facilities elsewhere in Annandale and in a sprawling parking lot on the edge of Clinton. Between the PABT buses at Clinton and the additional 7 J.C./Holland Tunnel/Wall Street buses at Annandale, that is about 30 buses, and they are a heck of a lot faster than the train. As it is, the express trains don't wrong rail. Getting them to do so would be very tedious to dispatch and could disrupt reverse peak service. Conrail Share Assets won't have it east of Aldene either. NJT is lucky to get 2 tracks during rush hour, and they often don't get even that. For one thing, the Tropicana Juice train comes up around 7 - 8am. Just today, Suburban Transit started running 4 buses out of Hillsborough for along 42nd Street (not PABT). Their surveys indicate it would have a good following. So those people will no longer have to drive up to Somerville and pay to park and ride a slow train to Newark. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 17 20:22:30 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 17 19:20:43 2016. I meant 63 with Martz as well (the 30 buses from Bieber + TransBridge with Allentown/RVL service and the 33 from Martz with the Pocono service). And you're right, it wouldn't eliminate the service entirely, but it would curtail the number of trips. By how much would have to be studied. But just because wrong railing isn't performed today doesn't mean it is completely impossible. There are clearly major issues with the freight hosts, but they're not impossible hurdles. The reason I said express for Allentown trains was in hopes that running express would make the rail service time competitive with the bus. If that wouldn't be the case, then forget that service completely. Making folks commutes longer isn't a solution I'm looking to employ, so if any part of my plan is flawed in that regard, then I'm happy to cut it out. It's exactly why I hate the plan of running rail service up to Binghamton. No way that line could be time competitive with Shortline simply because of the geography of the route. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 00:13:43 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 17 18:54:37 2016. The most efficient use of interlining would be if LIRR trains simply became NJT trains and ran out to their edge terminals. Do a crew change in Penn Station.Of course there's the massive technical barrier. But ALP45DPs could handle the east end service while M8-ish EMUs would be able to handle something like Babylon to Trenton, Huntington to Long Branch. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 00:17:42 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 17 19:20:43 2016. As it is, the express trains don't wrong rail. Getting them to do so would be very tedious to dispatch and could disrupt reverse peak service.The RVL RoW is 4 tracks wide from Somerville to Aldene. They could build center passing sidings at stations like Cranford to allow peak direction expresses to overtake locals. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Oct 18 09:46:08 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 00:13:43 2016. I think that would be over doing it. On the LIRR side, I'd do something like take all Port Washington locals, have them originate at Bayside instead of Great Neck, and thru run them to a short turn station on the NJ side. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 17:17:58 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Oct 18 09:46:08 2016. My thought is every train would through run (with obvious exceptions to NJT trains turning on 1-4). So, something would need to go through to Trenton or Babylon. This would virtually eliminate the need to build more platform tracks at NYP, a billion dollar investment. There'd even be room for Metro North there. Something to think about for the next equipment purchase...Treating a station like a double sided stub ended terminal and then complaining about capacity issues seems like a rather dumb thing, no? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 18 18:09:30 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 00:17:42 2016. To justify fast expresses from Hunterdon County, you would have to fill 6 MLV cars from Somerville - west. As it is west-of-Raritan loadings are just under 300 per day. They would have to round up 800+ people on each of several trains to justify any more passing tracks. I don't see where they would all come from.All of Trans-Bridge is 45' coaches on 23 buses. That is 1,265 seats, and you would be lucky to get one-thirds of them. Remember also that no rush hour RVL train will get to NYPS until Gateway tunnels are built and the existing tunnel rebuilding is over. That is many years off. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 18 18:13:55 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 00:13:43 2016. ALP45DP's are stopped at Newark Penn for at least 90 seconds to change modes. That will not be permitted in the Harold area.M-8's would need 25 cycle transformers, which would make them very heavy. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 19:13:29 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 18 18:09:30 2016. It wouldn't need to be full at Somverville, add some limited stops in the middle like Bound Brook. Just the existence of a train that can pass a local or two at some point in its journey is a draw anywhere it stops... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 19:20:08 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 18 18:13:55 2016. NJT stops them for the change because they are paranoid, not because they can't handle it. Montreal AMT doesn't stop for the mode change afaik.That said, they could extend the wires to Jamaica, or build that Sunnyside station that was originally in the cards as part of ESA. The purpose of this in my mind is to help trains get in & out of Penn station with at most 5 minutes on the platform. Currently trains that loop around the yard need to be cleared of passengers, which increases dwell time. If there are more stops after, they don't need to care. Also there won't be as many deadhead to yard slots being used in the East river tunnels. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 18 19:36:38 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 19:20:08 2016. You are not going to get run-through trains to get through Penn Station in 5 minutes. That is totally ridiculous. I have been on NJT trains that take 10 minutes to unload and clear the platforms. The narrowness of the platforms, congestion on the stair, and reversing direction of the escalators all need to be taken into account.Then you are going to magnify delays on one railroad immediately onto the other. That is also not acceptable. Catenary and pantographs won't fit through the Jamaica Station canopies. LIRR is not going to maintain an electric fleet that cannot also run to ESA. A train may run from one city terminal and return to another. Montreal AMT trains stop at the station just north of the Mt Royal Tunnel. They could well cut over there, I Don't know. LIRR runs MU's. They are not going to operate loco-hauled trains that accelerate like coal drags, which is what NJT does. LIRR trains have wide threshold plates to cover gaps and prevent injuries. NJT equipment cannot accommodate threshold plates at all. Sorry, this ain't Europe or Philadelphia. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 18 19:44:29 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 19:13:29 2016. If you are going to do that, then the running time becomes uncompetitive with the buses. TBL schedules Clinton - PABT to be 75 minutes, non-stop. There is no way a train can make it that fast. Ditto for Branchburg - PABT on the Doylestown service.Even NJT's own 117 or 4 frequencies is faster than the train, and it serves communities 2 or 3 miles north of the RVL along US22. The patrons park for free at strip malls. They don't want to take the train. Most of the stations are side platforms, with one or both sitting on the former track. It would be very difficult to ram a 3rd track through anymore. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 21:22:09 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 18 19:36:38 2016. I have been on NJT trains that take 10 minutes to unload and clear the platforms.Same here (even on a weekend). Part of the problem is to be mitigated with the newly expanded West End concourse. As for escalator reversal, they'd have to always go up outside of PM rush for commuter trains for that very reason. If the other part of my suggestion, designating platforms by line is done, people would be able to just walk down to the platform for their line rather than staring at a departure board and running down, eliminating the need to send escalators downward. Amtrak would have to take tracks 5-8 because of the Empire corridor connection but the rest would be for everyone. They raised the Jamaica station canopies and overpasses with the renovation. NJT equipment doesn't appear to need the wide threshold plates, and again I would be advocating the purchase of new MU equipment to accommodate this idea. Trains going into diesel only territory in NJ would be paired with ones going to diesel territory on LIRR so the multilevel acceleration would be the same as the C3s. All of the obstacles you are mentioning, are you saying it would be more costly to work through those than two billion dollars for more tracks at Penn? |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Oct 18 21:36:05 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 13 21:08:46 2016. I don't feel like fighting with attendants who are doing a job I can do just as well if not better myself. I'd rather save my patience for situations where I need someone else to do something I can't do myself, such as Verizon fixing an Internet connection that lasted only an hour after it was installed before failing completely. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Oct 18 21:37:55 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 13 17:28:50 2016. Right, because now people have NO reason to buy gasoline in New Jersey! |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 19 00:36:05 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 17:17:58 2016. It is a rather dumb thing, but we don't need to take trains from one extreme of the region and send them to the other. LIRR already has short turns and surely an equivalent could be found in NJ. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 19 00:40:55 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 18 19:36:38 2016. Part of the dwell time issue could be relieved by connecting ESA with Gateway. That way you don't have the entire train exiting at one station, but rather at 2. Also, being that it would be connecting Gateway, not the existing NYP platforms, they could be constructed wider with ability for better pedestrian flow. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 19 06:37:29 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 17:17:58 2016. No it would not eliminate any need to build more platform tracks.The PRR never considered anything like this when NYP was opened 106 years ago. It's only the government agencies. |
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