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Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 19 15:33:29 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 21:22:09 2016. Penn Station South is part of the Gateway project, which Amtrak requires to make the new Hudson tunnel capacity realized. I know you think all this through running would make all that capacity available, but I disagree. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 19 15:36:49 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 19 00:40:55 2016. ESA terminal capacity is spoken for with LIRR's 22 trains per hour.The whole point of ESA is to get trains out of Penn Station. Why in the world would they punch it through to Penn Station and send LIRR trains right back where they took them out of. I don't know about the terminal itself, but the 63rd Street tunnels won't clear anything but a flat top 3rd rail MU that is 12'10" high. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 16:06:27 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Oct 18 21:37:55 2016. I wouldn’t say absolutely no reason, but I suspect the difference between NY and NJ prices would not be worth waiting till making a trip to NJ to fill up as I usually do. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Oct 21 12:07:11 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 19 15:36:49 2016. "The whole point of ESA is to get trains out of Penn Station"That makes literally no sense whatsoever. ESA will not get trains out of Penn Station because the slots left open by the redirected trains will just be filled by more service (be it LIRR or Metro North). ESA is just simply adding capacity to the LIRR. Yes, as planned, ESA capacity is spoken for, but you are failing to acknowledge the fact that through running will add capacity, and that those slots are going to be filled with LIRR trains no matter what, whether thru running or not. Connecting it with Gateway simply takes those 22 trains (or more because no need for trains to turn back) and sends them to whatever new section of NYP is built for Gateway and over to NJ. As it is, there is no exact service plan for ESA (afaik). Start off with services coming in from shorter origins like Bayside and thru run them, and whatever spare capacity is left gets filled with your Port Washington, Huntington, Ronkonkoma, Babylon etc trains. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 21 12:39:14 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 19 15:36:49 2016. The whole point of ESA is to get trains out of Penn StationNo it isn't. Where did you get that impression? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 21 13:33:29 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Oct 21 12:07:11 2016. That makes literally no sense whatsoever.Joe V got PWN3D!!! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 21 13:34:39 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 19 15:36:49 2016. The whole point of ESA is to get trains out of Penn Station.WRONG!!!!!!! Why in the world would they punch it through to Penn Station and send LIRR trains right back where they took them out of.They would for any justifiably good reason. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 21 13:35:23 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 21 12:39:14 2016. He has many mistaken impressions. Not that you don't either... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 21 19:25:22 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 21 12:39:14 2016. Yup, the very name "East Side Access" is so that LIRR customers have access to the East Side.Though without the SAS reaching at least Houston st I fear this will result in the Lex returning to 90s era crush levels... |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Oct 21 21:40:00 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 19 15:33:29 2016. How do you come to a conclusion that through running doesn't make extra capacity available? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 21 23:21:51 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Oct 21 21:40:00 2016. Same number of trains, higher wear due to longer schedules and less maintenance; not to mention the mess that would ensue at NYP on the platforms exchanging inbound and outbound passengers. Tracks 1 through 4 (stub tracks) would become redundant too. If you can't convert at least a significant number of branches on the LIRR side to overhead wires as well, it'll be more expensive running to boot what with the extra on-board electrical equipment; LIRR hasn't had EMUs with trapdoors since the M1 came along, in addition. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 24 19:18:52 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 21 23:21:51 2016. I asked about capacity, not maintenance or engineering. The crowds boarding/exiting trains would be spread out between both NYP and GCT, so it's plausible that the situation wouldn't be nearly as dire as you make it out to be. Tracks 1-4 could be retained as stub end for longer distance NJT services that wouldn't be through run (such as something coming in all the way from Trenton or Dover). Those 4 tracks could possibly also be extended onto the lower Montauk, giving those communities a chance at midtown service. Not sure if there are any issues that prohibit that from physically being built. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 24 20:25:44 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 24 19:18:52 2016. I asked about capacity, not maintenance or engineeringCan't have one without the other. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Oct 24 21:38:43 2016, in response to Re: HBLR Extension, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 24 20:25:44 2016. Agreed, but let's address issues one at a time please |
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