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Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 9 07:54:25 2015, in response to Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 02:07:17 2015. provisions for taking the south bklyn rr off the subway tracks and onto its own private ROW and a trolley tunnel.the tunnels extend apx.250 feet. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat May 9 10:34:54 2015, in response to Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 02:07:17 2015. I was recently on a Southbound D train, and noticed a few interesting things.1: Right before entering the old two track brick tunnel after briefly entering daylight south of 36th Street, to the right of the tunnel portal that my train went in appears to be what looks like two sealed off tunnel portals. What are these? Provisions for more tracks? Effectively bellmouths for an additional two tracks if needed for service and/or the SBK. 2: Right before exiting this same tunnel, an unused trackway comes in from the right. What was this meant for? Ramps for 5th Avenue El trains to enter 9th Avenue without interfering with the yard (next set of ramps). They did have tracks at the beginning but they were abandoned fairly early and the 5th Avenue el trains were routed through the yard space at the north end to use the existing set of ramps. |
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Posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 12:00:53 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by SLRT on Sat May 9 10:34:54 2015. I believe Dj hammers (for number 2) isn't talking about the abandon 5th ave ramps, he is talking about another trackway that appears to merge with the south bound track before exiting the no clearance tunnel to outside. theres no track and the end wall from what i can recall is half cinderblocked. from the looks of it, it appears to be the other end of that first wall from the 4th ave open cut mentioned in number one |
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Posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 12:00:53 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by SLRT on Sat May 9 10:34:54 2015. I believe Dj hammers (for number 2) isn't talking about the abandon 5th ave ramps, he is talking about another trackway that appears to merge with the south bound track before exiting the no clearance tunnel to outside. theres no track and the end wall from what i can recall is half cinderblocked. from the looks of it, it appears to be the other end of that first wall from the 4th ave open cut mentioned in number one |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat May 9 12:24:59 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 12:00:53 2015. I don't recall this at all. I'd have to see a picture.The implication that there may be additional tracks east of the current tunnel is false. |
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Posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 12:44:15 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by SLRT on Sat May 9 12:24:59 2015. [IMG]https://www.flickr.com/photos/116454822@N04/16835091604/in/dateposted-public/[/IMG] |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 13:05:33 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by SLRT on Sat May 9 10:34:54 2015. I'm refferring to the trackway that joins from the right while still in the tunnel. Not the unused ramps. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 13:07:58 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 12:44:15 2015. Can't see image. Use HTML image code, not BBC code.Also following the URL says that the image is Adult Content, so I cant view it. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 13:08:12 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 12:00:53 2015. Correct. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat May 9 13:35:45 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 12:44:15 2015. That's interesting. Thank you. Assuming you're sure of the location, there is certainly available space there for a trackway. and the end looks like they've enclosed a secure storage room (vents and a large door). |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat May 9 13:37:31 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 13:05:33 2015. That would likely be a way in for one of the tracks bell-mouthed at the other end to rejoin the original r-o-w, were it built. |
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Posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 13:44:51 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by SLRT on Sat May 9 13:35:45 2015. at the end is where they sealed the wall up tight (half of it cinderblock if memory serves me right) and looks like its the other end of that wall from the open cut.i uploaded images today on my flickr for those who need to visually see. don't have a photo of the cinderblocks though |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 13:58:16 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 13:44:51 2015. Can you post any other images of this and any other spots that you have? Lots of inquiring minds. |
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Posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 14:03:12 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 13:44:51 2015. trackway mentioned by DJ hammer  where it would merge with the southbound track  sealed Portals from the 4th ave open cut  
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 9 14:05:51 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 13:58:16 2015. you guys have short memories,i,ve posted on this several time,in detail.images have been posted,not by me. |
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Posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 14:05:51 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 14:03:12 2015. 
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 14:07:38 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 9 14:05:51 2015. Link? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 9 14:07:55 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 14:05:51 2015. in back of the graffiti-ized building is the portal for trolleys. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 14:09:13 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 9 14:07:55 2015. Anything behind the portal? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat May 9 14:32:30 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 9 14:05:51 2015. The 36th Street-Fourth Avenue BMT station is in a way similar to the 5th Street-Columbus Circle-IND station in the creation of a pair of merge tracks that exist between the usual local and express tracks. These merge tracks then proceed down Sixth Avenue, or in the case of the 36th Street-Fourth Avenue BMT station toward the 9th Avenue station. On the NYC-Subway.Org website is easy to see the track setup, below is the website:http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Station:_36th_Street_%284th_Avenue%29 A review of the above web-page is in order. Basically the station layout had the provision for 4 tracks from the 9th Avenue station to merge with the 36th Street-Fourth Avenue station, however there were changes to the station and its track work. It is easy to surmise that these changes could also be a part of what is being looked at in this message stream. Mike |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 9 14:32:38 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 14:09:13 2015. entering from the subway side it extends apx.250feet.exiting is what you see in the photos in the tunnel. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 14:43:27 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 9 14:32:38 2015. So it doesnt go all the way through, correct? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 9 14:47:34 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 9 14:43:27 2015. yup. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun May 10 01:15:19 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 9 14:32:38 2015. Why do you think the bellmouths at the 4th Avenue end extend ~250 feet? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun May 10 08:48:41 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by SLRT on Sun May 10 01:15:19 2015. I don`t think,I know. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun May 10 09:01:43 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by tunnelrat on Sun May 10 08:48:41 2015. How do you know? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun May 10 09:15:52 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by SLRT on Sun May 10 09:01:43 2015. it was published in several era bulletins circa 1964/5 by david rogoff on abandonded tunnels stations and structures.a fascinating read. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun May 10 13:06:22 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by tunnelrat on Sun May 10 09:15:52 2015. Do you still have those Bulletins? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun May 10 13:21:26 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by SLRT on Sun May 10 13:06:22 2015. no.I borrowed them from a friend many,many years ago and DID NOT make copies.oppertunity lost. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun May 10 15:19:19 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by stevenpaulino1 on Sat May 9 14:03:12 2015. The tunnel wall construction looks different though. I thought it was rougher.Good pics, BTW. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun May 10 15:43:32 2015, in response to Re: Unused Trackways by 9th Avenue, posted by tunnelrat on Sun May 10 09:15:52 2015. Do you still have those Bulletins? |
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