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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 04:44:35 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Nilet on Sun May 3 04:04:51 2015. Could be! Thanks!I seriously don't remember after all these years, never lived there but it was an actual "everybody off, we're turning this bitch around and if you don't want to go back to GCT, GTFO." :) |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun May 3 06:47:12 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 04:03:09 2015. There's a Ludlow station on the Hudson line south of Yonkers. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sun May 3 08:35:56 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 22:28:48 2015. IIRC the New Haven had to pay per passenger they carried to/from GCT, not a flat rate. Presumably the NYC knew exactly how much GCT access was worth and would have charged any other railroad the same way. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 10:11:14 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:04:48 2015. I beg to differ a bit. The current Riverdale stop has been there since the start of the railroad over 150 years ago. The stop was called Riverdale-on-Hudson and gave its name to the neighborhood.The only stop between Mt. St. V and Yonkers is Ludlow, which is still there. I doubt there were ever any others on that stretch, as it is not a very long stretch. As Spider-Pig said, Crestwood and Fleetwood are both on the Harlem Line. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 10:12:01 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 04:44:35 2015. Glenwood is north of Yonkers - still active. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 10:13:12 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 04:44:35 2015. Glenwood is north of Yonkers - still active. But trains never terminate there. They do terminate at the stop after Glenwood, which js Greystone. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 10:15:24 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:29:49 2015. No, as I posted earlier, Riverdale was a stop since the start of the RR 175 years ago. You mention it was at 262 St. - no, that is Mt. St. Vincent, never a well-used stop and now discontinued.. The Riverdale stop has aways been at 254th St |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 10:15:58 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 01:20:24 2015. You are correct, as I posted elsewhere in the thread. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 10:38:25 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:31:22 2015. Huh? Crestwood and Fleetwood are on the HARLEM Line. Ludlow is the next station after the former Mt. St. Vincent in Yonkers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 10:47:39 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by AlM on Sun May 3 03:57:56 2015. When he said Bronx locals, I thought he was talking about the Harlem Line. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 12:54:30 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 10:38:25 2015. Yep. He's thinking of Glenwood, next stop after Yonkers. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun May 3 13:38:32 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 22:28:48 2015. The New Haven did, but the NYW&B wasn't the New Haven, ether de factor or de jure. Yes, the NH controlled the NYW&B, but they were still separate entities. the PRR used to own the LIRR, but the LIRR was not the PRR, established by the fact the LIRR today still operates under it's original charter.The general idea when the Westchester was to try to save their passengers money. As K. Trout said. The Central charged per head, passed onto the passengers in their fares. They decided that if they terminated in the Bronx and passengers would transfer to the 3rd Avenue El, the fare on the IRT being cheaper than the surcharge for Grand Central, that people would switch to the Westchester from the Central lines it paralleled for the lower fares. Well, they were wrong, people didn't mind the extra costs if it dropped them off in Midtown. But it was too late. The alternative of Penn Station was crowded even back then. This is aside from the fact that Penn would not haven been a option until 1917 when the Hell Gate Bridge opened. So the Westchester would have spent 5 years somewhere else anyway. The New Haven itself was already sharing access to the station with the Pennsylvania, the LIRR and the Lehigh Valley(plus the B&O trains under USRA operations during World War I). Also, it was third rail only until 1933, so the Westchester's cars would have needed to be dual electrified to the PRR/LIRR standard. And, of course, the PRR had to be paid. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 16:00:07 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by VictorM on Sun May 3 06:47:12 2015. Yep, that one's been there for forever as well. This was definitely something that ended in "wood" and isn't there anymore. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 16:10:46 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 10:11:14 2015. No worries! Perhaps the Riverdale stop fell into disrepair in the 50's, though I doubt that. It was a short, ground level wooden platform that wasn't even one car length. Across, on the river side, there wasn't anything at all. There were gaps in the third rail though that would allow you to cross safely and there was wood between the rails to walk on to get over there.Perhaps my phrasing mislead, the stop was always there from way back since employees used it. But since it was such a threadbare stop, and a long way down a dirt path from the top of the hill, it wasn't used much other than by employees that lived there. Of course, once they started sprouting apartment buildings up that way, it became a real station used by regular folks. Does that help clarify my meaning? And as to the mysterious "wood", maybe my bearings are off and it was north of Yonkers, I thought it was south but my memory of it since I didn't really use it is quite hazy there. But it was absolutely on the Hudson line and not too far north of the city. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 16:11:54 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 10:12:01 2015. THAT might be it! All I can remember is that it was somethingwood and my memory of which wood it was was associated with the wrong prefix.It was used as a turnaround for Bronx locals though, there was an interlocking just south of it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 16:13:05 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 10:13:12 2015. Yep ... now that's sounding right. What I'm not sure of is what they did as far as closing some stations, moving them and renaming many of them since the 60's. Greystone was never a terminal back in the day, so that sounds right. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 16:14:55 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 10:15:24 2015. Heh. Well ... as they say, as you get older, the mind is the first thing to go. Fortunately, not a vital organ. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 16:15:47 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 10:15:58 2015. Yep ... looks like. Ah well ... memory corrected through modern mapping. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 16:16:52 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 12:54:30 2015. THANKS, guys! Memory updated and corrected. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 3 16:37:23 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 2 14:04:33 2015. I don’t know how heavy a car the 2 Av el could hold since the Composites had to run light when operated against traffic on the local tracks like they had to on 3 Ave. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 18:46:57 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 16:10:46 2015. You must be thinking of the old Mt St Vincent stop. The Riverdale stop was never that primitive. When I moved to Riverdale in 1975, it still had a very old, once elaborate, station house, since demolished. It had 4-car platforms on both sides, and a bridge connecting north and south plats. (Now it has 8-car plats.)The "wood" station you are thinking of is Glenwood, first station north of Yonkers. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 18:48:20 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 16:16:52 2015. No problemo. I'm around your age, so I empathize. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 18:51:38 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 18:46:57 2015. Could be then. Like I said, it's been like 50+ years since I lived there but that's what I remembered. Thanks for the corrections! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 18:52:11 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 18:48:20 2015. Like I often say, the mind is the first thing to go, fortunately it's not a vital organ. Especially around here. :) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 3 18:58:00 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 18:52:11 2015. Hah, many started out OEM minus. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 19:06:36 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 3 18:58:00 2015. And even more finished out there. Heh. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 20:38:47 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 04:03:09 2015. Yeah, it was SOMETHING wood. Cut me some slack, it's been a long LONG time.They have system maps on computers these days. Why not consult one before making a fool of yourself like you just did? |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 20:39:06 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 16:11:54 2015. Greystone |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 20:39:29 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 16:00:07 2015. Nope. Wrong. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 20:40:33 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 18:51:38 2015. Why not just look at an MNCR system map instead of making a 50 post subthread?!!?!? For the freaking love of G-d!!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 20:41:44 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 20:38:47 2015. Sorry about that. Back in the 1950's, a home computer was just too expensive for poor folks living in Riverdale. But thanks for your concern anyway.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 20:42:46 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 20:39:06 2015. No. Greystone was never a terminal until recently. Believe it or not, there was a whole world out there moving along before you popped out of wherever you popped out of. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 20:43:25 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 20:40:33 2015. There WAS no MNCR then. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 21:31:08 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 16:14:55 2015. I've been telling you for years. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 21:31:42 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 10:15:24 2015. I've been trying to find photos of the Mt. St. Vincent station for a long time now. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 21:32:35 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:29:49 2015. You're full of it. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 21:32:43 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:24:06 2015. No way. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon May 4 00:10:50 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 20:40:33 2015. I enjoyed the thread. Let it go. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 4 01:07:06 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 20:40:33 2015. |
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