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Re: Neighborhood Maps

Posted by GIS Man on Fri Apr 24 09:11:56 2015, in response to Re: Neighborhood Maps, posted by italianstallion on Thu Apr 23 15:13:42 2015.

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Any idea on what the dashed line on the Riverdale map is intended to signify? It crosses Irwin Av. at W. 231st St.

Bob

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Re: Neighborhood Maps

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Apr 24 09:41:49 2015, in response to Re: Neighborhood Maps, posted by GIS Man on Fri Apr 24 09:11:56 2015.

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Maybe it's the Bronx-Westchester border, just in the wrong spot.

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Re: Neighborhood Maps

Posted by GIS Man on Fri Apr 24 09:45:40 2015, in response to Re: Neighborhood Maps, posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Apr 24 09:41:49 2015.

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Good one!

Bob

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Re: Neighborhood Maps

Posted by italianstallion on Fri Apr 24 10:15:11 2015, in response to Re: Neighborhood Maps, posted by GIS Man on Fri Apr 24 09:11:56 2015.

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Weird. I hadn't noticed that.

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Re: Neighborhood Maps

Posted by displaced angeleno on Fri Apr 24 11:03:22 2015, in response to Neighborhood Maps, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 15:52:10 2015.

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For Long Island City, the Long Island City LIRR stop is missing and the Hunterspoint Ave. station is shown as being on the way to Penn Station.

Additionally, all of the new streets along the East River that have been open for nearly a decade still don't show up on the maps. I guess that's why NYCT still thinks that no one uses Vernon-Jackson.

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Re: Obsolete information (Re: Neighborhood Maps)

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Apr 24 11:47:16 2015, in response to Obsolete information (Re: Neighborhood Maps), posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Apr 23 20:36:33 2015.

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First of all, there is no claim that the Neighborhood Maps are "new". The only maps claimed to be "new" are the NYC DoT Maps, currently available for five stations. If there are errors on those maps as of the time of posting last year, then those would be valid complaints.

Second of all, the map page clearly states about the Neighborhood Maps: "These maps were drawn over the past several years. Some points of interest may have changed." So they admit that the points of interest are out of date. They also indirectly admit that other elements involved with "drawing" the maps may be out of date (such as staircase locations). Of course that doesn't excuse the original mistakes that have never been updated. I suspect that as they transition to the new NYC DoT Maps, they will look to fix mistakes and out of date information for placement on the DOT maps. Or at least that's what I'd hope.

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Re: Neighborhood Maps

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 24 11:57:15 2015, in response to Re: Neighborhood Maps, posted by gbs on Thu Apr 23 21:20:31 2015.

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But 11 car Es did stop there.

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Re: Obsolete information (Re: Neighborhood Maps)

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Apr 24 12:23:13 2015, in response to Re: Obsolete information (Re: Neighborhood Maps), posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Apr 24 11:47:16 2015.

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They are all copyrighted 2015 and they claim that subway and bus service depicted is "up-to-date" (so much for the Bee Line 93 to Playland even though it's not part of the MTA). It does not take much to erase a movie theater on Allerton Ave from the 1990s or corrct the location of Apple Bank (should it be so obvious to anyone workinh on GIS/mapping software that there aren't any stores on the north side of Heritage Park?). Would the Midtown and Lower Manhattan maps be corrected first since they would be downloaded the most times?

They really gave a 10 percent effort on a larger problem with these maps.

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Re: Neighborhood Maps

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 24 16:43:50 2015, in response to Re: Neighborhood Maps, posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Apr 24 09:41:49 2015.

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Yes. It does look like it.

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Re: Obsolete information (Re: Neighborhood Maps)

Posted by Lance52 on Fri Apr 24 19:33:11 2015, in response to Obsolete information (Re: Neighborhood Maps), posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Apr 23 20:36:33 2015.

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The problem with these maps is that there are so many POIs on them. Some of which have been carried over through various vector programs used to draw these maps over the years. How many of us keep a running tab on which POI is still open or is still in the same location after so many years? What they need is a dedicated staff to keep up with the changing information. Since that's not likely to happen, they just update the bus and subway routes as necessary. No, it isn't a good excuse, but there's a reason why they added that disclaimer to the maps page, but hopefully, the DOT is a little better at keeping up with the POIs than the MTA is with this.

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Re: Neighborhood Maps

Posted by gbs on Fri Apr 24 22:00:24 2015, in response to Re: Neighborhood Maps, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 24 11:57:15 2015.

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Well, did they have some kind of door controls on the end car(s) to prevent certain doors from opening in the tunnels?

Even if 169 St (and the other short stations) completely held 10 cars, how would an 11-car train use the station?

It's a real mystery that some IND stations are way longer than 600', and a few are actually less than 600', with the 10-car marker in the tunnel by a few feet. Why? And at these short stations, the conductor's striped board is very short, because the stop has to be made pretty precisely. I'm guessing that when the train is at the 10-car mark, and the front of the train is in the tunnel by a few feet, that the back of the train is also in the tunnel by the same few feet.

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Re: Neighborhood Maps

Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 25 14:57:47 2015, in response to Re: Neighborhood Maps, posted by gbs on Fri Apr 24 22:00:24 2015.

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When 11 car trains were operated on the iND, there were 2 C/Rs, one between the first 2 cars and the “rear guard” between the last 2. If the train were to stop at a 10 car station and at the 10 car mark, the rear guard would simply keep the doors closed in the last car.

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Re: Neighborhood Maps

Posted by gbs on Sun Apr 26 23:22:11 2015, in response to Re: Neighborhood Maps, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 25 14:57:47 2015.

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So the train had three zones?

Zone 1: car #1
Zone 2: car #2-#10
Zone 3: car #11

Did only the front conductor control zones 1 and 2, and the back conductor only zone 3?

Isn't (wasn't?) there a rule that a conductor could look over at most only 5 cars?

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Re: Neighborhood Maps

Posted by GIS Man on Fri May 1 13:40:14 2015, in response to Re: Neighborhood Maps, posted by The Silence on Thu Apr 23 11:07:58 2015.

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The Forest Hills map shows the (E)(F)(M)(R) continuing west along Queens Blvd. past the Grand Av. station, instead of turning off onto Broadway.

Bob

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