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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Apr 9 18:25:54 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 9 18:03:16 2015. They did it, when the M-3a had cab signal issues, but ar rates the M-3a was set it was not successful and a pretty rough ride.cars did not make transition right and dynamic brake was rough as M-1a and M-3a have different cut off rates. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Apr 9 19:06:45 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 8 14:47:13 2015. 
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Apr 9 19:42:43 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Apr 9 17:21:09 2015. A politician sent out wrong info that makes him look better, let me put my surprise face on! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 9 20:10:01 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Apr 9 17:21:09 2015. I'm sure there will be more jobs there taking the plastic sheets off the seats. :) |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Apr 9 20:20:47 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 9 20:10:01 2015. Yonkers is booked for years producing or finalizing subway cars. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 9 21:00:04 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Apr 9 20:20:47 2015. Oh, I know. But it is amusing that so much of the work is just taking the plastic sheets off the seats when the shells come in the door. :) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Apr 9 22:39:02 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 9 17:52:41 2015. Probably will be as that branch will become a shuttle service anyway. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 10 01:45:52 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015. I like it! Better looking than the M7s. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 10 02:42:07 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 9 14:51:18 2015. The real question is...Who are you to question his expertise, in his given field? A field,mind you,that you could never met the qualifications for. Oh...that's right... you run a message board About taking pictures of rail equipment. A carpetbagger from Pennsylvania, with a train fedish. Oh...don't mind me.. I'm just pontificating...declaring my intense dislike for assholes...like yourself. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 10 03:35:13 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 9 16:03:33 2015. Arguing with the turtle is like pissing into the wind. All you have to show for it is wet socks. :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 10 03:49:55 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Apr 8 10:50:02 2015. The front looks kind of like what you see in Europe.There is only this view that was available correct? I'd like to see a 3/4 view that includes the side. Have read a number of posts that follow the initial one, and appreciate the rolling stock information in them. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 10 07:56:44 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R30A on Thu Apr 9 00:19:00 2015. I don't follow that board. But- please correct me if I'm wrong here- hasn't the MTA spent the past 40+ years making the SIR as much like the subway as possible? And, for that matter, the B&O made a reasonable attempt to imitate the BMT...It would seem silly to me to start heading in the other direction now... |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 09:09:26 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 10 07:56:44 2015. About the only thing they could do is get R211's not in draw-barred sets, though SIR seldom run anything but 300' trains, and put in transverse R10/R16 seats to surburbanize them. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Apr 10 10:33:21 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 9 17:52:41 2015. Seems like PITA to ban MUs from one of its busiest terminals (During Rush Hour). Besides, don't some LIRR MU sets on run multiple routes in one day? Seems like an dispatching headache. |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 10 10:49:33 2015, in response to LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Apr 8 10:10:46 2015. Hey taxi! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 10:52:16 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by steamdriven on Thu Apr 9 17:47:24 2015. The proper way to do this is to put gantlet tracks in the stations, such as this one...![](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/2782694045_d7cf710322.jpg") ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 10:57:35 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Apr 10 10:33:21 2015. "Besides, don't some LIRR MU sets on run multiple routes in one day? Seems like an dispatching headache. "Yes they do, and no it is not. The train I rode on every morning departed from Babylon to NYP then the crew made a run to Port Washington and back, before making their return run to Babylon. That was a day's work. Equipment is not the same for each trip. So the Crew chief makes up the schedules for the crew, and someone else schedules the equipment. They are not the same. All the crew chief has to do is to make sure that there is a crew for every train. All equipment chief has to do is to make sure that there is equipment for every train. All the dispatcher has to do it wind and wend the trains in and out of the stations and on and through the railroad according to schedules and any interruptions that will randomly occur along the way. ROAR |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Apr 10 11:04:11 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 09:09:26 2015. The R/110-B Car body and seating with R/179 propulsion and electronics would be the better size for S.I.R.T. if a 75 Ft. car is out of the running. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:05:20 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Apr 10 10:33:21 2015. In 2023, Brooklyn becomes a Shuttle.Until then, LIRR's NY and Brooklyn-bound trains from the various eastern branches are pretty well segregated as it is. And all they need to is assign the M-9's to the 12 car consist, and they will never see Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:06:25 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 10:52:16 2015. After the RVC crash 60 years ago, I think LIRR has an ethic never to use gauntlet track again. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:23:03 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Apr 10 11:04:11 2015. They will do nothing special for an 80 car order except piggyback on another. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Apr 10 11:44:06 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 10:52:16 2015. pretty high maintenance and it creates another interlocking with associated rules. |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Apr 10 11:53:53 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 10 07:56:44 2015. the person in question is basing their entire argument on some Chinese company's ships not fitting in US ports and that they should build one on Staten Island. And because of that the SIR would be reconnected to the mainland and because of that only "FRA class III" rail cars would be permitted.His argument is also that the CBTC equipment is a physical part of the R211s, that NORAC rules are better and that the signal system work they did a few years ago means only the M9As should run there. It's his opinion that the SIR should be returned to its "heritage". Nevermind he wants to saddle Transit with equipment it can't care for and it eclectically incompatible with the current system. Or the fact that for 90 years the line's equipment has followed the designs of the subway. The MUE-1s were based on the AB Standards, then the R44s came, and now we're on to the NTT era, the 211s are only logical. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Apr 10 11:54:21 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:05:20 2015. I doubt Brooklyn will actually become a shuttle.Besides that, why are we assuming that M9s cannot run to Flatbush? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Apr 10 11:58:01 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Apr 9 20:20:47 2015. Really?The only order I have seen there is the R188, which is a relatively small order and over half done. The WMATA 7000s are being built in Lincoln, so if something were to move production to Yonkers, it would make sense to me for it to be the M9s. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 12:01:13 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by The Silence on Fri Apr 10 11:53:53 2015. An 85' MU RR car would be an awful long and heavy car to flatbed over the VZB to CIY for major work. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 12:03:10 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R30A on Fri Apr 10 11:54:21 2015. They will have no choice but run a Shuttle - the switches west of Jamaica Station will be removed from Track 5 and down to the Atlantic. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Apr 10 12:04:35 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 12:03:10 2015. The latest maps I have seen for the Jamaica rebuild have Atlantic retaining most of its connections. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 12:18:16 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by R30A on Fri Apr 10 12:04:35 2015. We'll see. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 10 14:29:12 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 10 03:35:13 2015. No, I wear boots! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 10 14:39:39 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 10:57:35 2015. I don’t know how the LIRR does it, but at NYCT, the schedule managers in the Operations Planning Dept make the schedules for both the trains and the crews and the field supervision’s job is to implement the train and crew schedules that are issued and to make necessary adjustments according to the conditions of the railroad. |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Apr 10 14:46:56 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 12:01:13 2015. which is why he wants them put on float barges and shipped to railroad shops...makes me want to put my head through a wall. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 10 16:16:29 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 10 14:29:12 2015. Troublemaker! :) |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Apr 10 17:07:02 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:23:03 2015. I just hope they choose a worthy host to latch on to. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 17:22:00 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Apr 10 17:07:02 2015. Can't imagine anything but an R211. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Apr 10 19:11:32 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 10:57:35 2015. They do need to coordinate, though. A 12-car train will probably need more ticket collectors than a 6-car train. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Apr 10 19:13:36 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 12:03:10 2015. There is already debate about whether the Jamaica switch reconfiguration is wise. While the MTA seems bent on going through with that, as you say, "we'll see." |
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Posted by sloth on Sat Apr 11 09:00:48 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 9 14:36:49 2015. The computers do present a significant difficulty. My understanding is that unless all 800+ M7's get retrofitted with a new Windows operating system, the engineer would be unable to get any kind of trainline indicators on a mixed consist. While there are probably other factors in play here, the M7 retrofit would be an expensive pain in the ass. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 11 09:34:41 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by sloth on Sat Apr 11 09:00:48 2015. Are these trains getting overly-computerized to the point we cannot expand the fleet without compatibility or high capital cost issues ?Just to get more R142 clones for the IRT, we have the R188 fiasco. Where is the economy in making these trains rolling CPU's if 10 year old R142's have to be sent back to the builder for a retrofit ? |
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Posted by sloth on Sat Apr 11 10:43:22 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 11 09:34:41 2015. Just think of the army of computer nerds it's going to take to keep these cars running when they're 25-30 years old. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Apr 11 10:50:18 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by sloth on Sat Apr 11 10:43:22 2015. not really if computer breaks you change it out,meanwhile fix old computer and reload software . |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Apr 11 11:02:53 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Apr 10 19:11:32 2015. Correct. The Engineer and Conductor make up one crew, the collectors another. They do not necessarily share the same schedules.RAOR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Apr 11 11:06:08 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Apr 10 19:13:36 2015. The object is to make it easier for the trains to negotiate the interlocking plants with as little crossing in front of each other as possible. Apparently to do that, the Brooklyn trains will move out from under the big tent and will have a platform and switches of its own. Makes sense from the control tower, and if it does not make sense from the Atlantic Avenue Train, well that is 1) too bad; and 2) will probably still be faster than what is being done now.ROAR |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Apr 11 11:07:57 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 11 09:34:41 2015. I disagree with you completely as it would be like calling the general overhauls of the 32s, 40/42s, 46s a fiasco as well.Every fleet at some point gets upgrades to extend their usefulness. This upgrade gave a fleet the ability to better braking, better door systems, faster processors, upgraded controls and the ability to operate in ATO. This simple "fiasco" as you called it extended the life of the fleet by another 10 years. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 11 12:43:24 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Apr 10 19:13:36 2015. I suspect they will leave switches in down to Track 3, then ween people off the Brooklyn service gradually as the TA did with weening 4th Av- Nassau Street people with the RJ and Brighton-Broadway people with the NX, then kill it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 11 12:45:13 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Apr 11 10:50:18 2015. Then Microsoft will just say we don't support this and that, and they need a new computer and new, incompatible software. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 11 12:47:41 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Apr 11 11:07:57 2015. No, the GOH of the R26==>R46 was not a fiasco. It was necessary as a result of bad maintenance and age.But the R142 needs neither and will not extend their life by so much as 1 day. It is to maintain upward compatibility wit the R188, nothing more. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Apr 11 13:33:25 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 11 12:45:13 2015. the version of software used is here to satay as long as MTA pays the yearly Tech support fee for upkeep, MTA forgot to pay one year and all of a sudden could not get into computers for maintenance ;-) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Apr 11 13:34:09 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 11 12:45:13 2015. They still support NT 4.0 for MVMs so I doubt it. In any case, none of the Kawasaki cars run on any version of Windows. They use proprietary software. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 11 13:58:23 2015, in response to Re: LIRR Leaks Photo of M9 car in Japan, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Apr 11 13:33:25 2015. Does there ever come a time that MS will say we won't support you for any cost ?I doubt you can pay for Windows 3.1 support anymore, or a lot more old ladies would have it with their AOL accounts. The system programmers who wrote it are probably early-retired now. |
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