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Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Feb 26 17:39:36 2015

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The rail tunnels that connect New York City and New Jersey are 105 years old, and the technique that Amtrak employees have been using to keep trains running through them this frigid winter is hardly more modern.

In essence, it involves a whole lot of whacking.

Three or four times a day, a crew armed with telescoping yellow poles topped with hammerlike appendages rolls through the tunnels hunting for icicles. When the workers spot one dangling from the arched ceiling, they signal for the rail car operator to stop and they reach up and take aim.

A few quick whacks and the Ice Patrol rolls on, having headed off another potential disruption of the tightly choreographed train traffic under the Hudson River. But on some especially cold days — Friday, for instance — the ice forms faster and in more places than the Ice Patrol can handle.

The result can be a disastrous start, or end, to the workday for thousands of commuters who depend on the two single-track tunnels. They provide the only direct passage for trains traveling between Manhattan and points west. Each weekday, about 450 trains operated by Amtrak and New Jersey Transit pass through them.

Commuters were delayed going into the city on Friday morning and again trying to get home that night. Both times they were told that the culprit was Amtrak’s Ice Patrol — an explanation that for years has elicited dubious responses on social media.

Frustrated commuters took to Twitter on Friday evening to question the wisdom of deploying the Ice Patrol during rush hours and even to question its very existence. A woman posted a remark about “the excuses train conductors give.” A man followed with a message about the Ice Patrol, saying, “I’d love to meet them or see their uniforms.”

Well, yes, Twitterati, there is an Ice Patrol. But the closest thing to a uniform that its members wear is a reflective orange vest and a plastic hard hat.

On Tuesday morning, a crew of four regulars and three trainees boarded a dingy, diesel-powered “catenary maintenance vehicle” beneath Pennsylvania Station and set out in search of icicles. But first, Scott Mayers, the driver, had to call for the electricity that powers trains through the tunnels to be shut off.

That 12,000-volt current runs through copper wires just below the ceiling of the tunnel. Those wires are part of the catenary system from which the trains draw the electricity that powers their engines.

When ice forms on or above the wires, it can play havoc with the catenary system, tripping circuit breakers and leaving trains powerless on the tracks. If left unchecked, the ice can weigh on the wires enough to cause them to snap or fall.

John H. Kremp, who oversees the Ice Patrol, said that Friday, when temperatures were in the single digits in the morning, was an exceptionally tough day in what has been an unusually challenging winter. Ice knocked out the power in the tunnels 12 times that day, he said.

Even worse, Mr. Kremp said, it caused a cable to break inside the south tube on the cusp of the evening rush. Trains scheduled to depart from Penn Station were delayed for more than two hours.

“It was the worst possible time,” Mr. Kremp said on Wednesday, as the Ice Patrol rumbled through the narrow passage past the scene of the damage. “Thank God nobody was stuck in here. They were delayed but they were delayed inside the terminal, where it was warm and they had food.”

A member of the Ice Patrol said there had been so much ice on the walls and ceiling of the tunnel on Friday that it “looked like Crystal Cave.” Monday had been another challenging day, he said, because temperatures had fallen sharply after a brief warm spell on Sunday.

Mr. Kremp said the south tube posed more trouble in cold weather because eastbound trains heading into Manhattan enter it at speeds as fast as 60 miles an hour, pushing a clot of cold air ahead of them. That frigid air contacts the water seeping through the pits and cracks in the concrete inner shell of the tunnel and turns it to ice, he said.

Mr. Kremp, whose title is assistant division engineer for electric traction, said Amtrak tried to limit the ice problem a few years ago by spraying a sealant inside the tunnels. But he said that did not prove to be a lasting solution.

For now, the Ice Patrol is left to do battle the old-fashioned way. On Wednesday, after clearing a few icicles from the north tube under the Hudson, Mr. Mayers parked the rail car on the New Jersey side and waited for the go-ahead to switch to the track leading to the south tube.

As inbound trains stacked up behind it, the Ice Patrol resumed watching for its searchlight to reflect off icy crystals. Through the plastic shield covering his bearded face, Randy Honeycutt spotted the enemy: ice wrapped around the copper wire overhead.

Mr. Honeycutt, standing on a small platform on the back end of the rail car, stretched out his pole and swung it at the cable. Whack, whack, whack, and down came a shower of ice chunks.

With the Hudson tubes cleared, the Ice Patrol chugged on to its next assignment: clearing ice out of the century-old tunnels under the East River that connect the Long Island Rail Road to Penn Station. The aim was to have those tunnels ready for the afternoon rush, too.

“We do everything we can to minimize the disruption of service,” said Craig Schulz, a spokesman for Amtrak, which has been pressing elected officials for a new set of tunnels under the Hudson. “It’s certainly not our desire to have to run the Ice Patrol during the rush hour.”

But the buildup of ice, Mr. Schulz added, “is unscheduled, it’s unpredictable, and we need to get in there and rectify it.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/nyregion/taking-aim-at-icicles-to-keep-trains-moving-into-and-out-of-new-york.html

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Feb 26 20:26:22 2015, in response to Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Feb 26 17:39:36 2015.

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Couldn't some kind of heaters be installed to keep the tunnels warm enough that the ice won't form? Actually, I'm a little surprised that the current running through the catenary wires doesn't itself warm them enough to prevent ice buildup.


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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by Bill West on Fri Feb 27 02:02:23 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Feb 26 20:26:22 2015.

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Fair question but while the warmth in the wires, if enough, would prevent ice from adhering it wouldn't stop icicles from growing downwards from the ceiling to the wire. Add some leached cement chemicals or some brake dust and the icicles will arc over. Space heating while the trains are pushing in cold air would be like trying to warm your house on a windy day with the doors and windows wide open.

Bill

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Feb 27 13:31:51 2015, in response to Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Feb 26 17:39:36 2015.

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Is that the PATH tunnel? I noticed what appeared to be third rail.

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by TERRApin Station on Fri Feb 27 13:57:54 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Feb 27 13:31:51 2015.

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Is that the PATH tunnel? I noticed what appeared to be third rail.
LOL! Amtrak's North River tubes have third rail.

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by r30a on Fri Feb 27 13:58:58 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by TERRApin Station on Fri Feb 27 13:57:54 2015.

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If he is looking at the images, I am pretty sure the middle one is the Empire tunnel, not the north river tunnels. (Still, neither is PATH)

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by TERRApin Station on Fri Feb 27 14:01:43 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by r30a on Fri Feb 27 13:58:58 2015.

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No matter which Amtrak tunnel it is, it IS an Amtrak tunnel and all the Amtrak tunnels have third rail AFAIK.

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 27 14:31:15 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Feb 27 13:31:51 2015.

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Take another look. The tunnel has both overhead wire and third rail. The first type of electrification by the PRR was third rail; the overhead wires were added two decades later.

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Feb 27 14:57:45 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by TERRApin Station on Fri Feb 27 13:57:54 2015.

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Thank you. I did not know that.

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by Bill West on Fri Feb 27 15:11:44 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 27 14:31:15 2015.

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Boxy roof, no bench walls and relatively new looking concrete all exclude original PRR and PATH tunnels. Add in a substantial curve and you have the Empire line.

Bill

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Feb 27 16:06:27 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Feb 27 14:57:45 2015.

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You're welcome.

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 01:53:46 2015, in response to Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Feb 26 17:39:36 2015.

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I gotta wonder how the power is set for that operation. Is it done live? Or do the deenergize? And if the power is off, then is just a LOTO on the breaker, or would there be a ground attached to the line?

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 28 02:09:05 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 01:53:46 2015.

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Overhead IS de-energized, and lockouts and ground straps on both ends.

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 02:27:53 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 28 02:09:05 2015.

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I dunno, that seems a bit cumbersome to do during rush hour. I could see deenergizing, but presumably to do lockouts and grounds they'd have to ground both ends of the circuit, so there would have personnel stationed at both ends to pull grounds and tags once the work equipment was clear.

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by Bill West on Sat Feb 28 02:41:29 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 02:27:53 2015.

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Because of the close clearance with the ice and the metal tip on the hookstick, deenergization would be a practical necessity. For crew safety a no reclosing tag would do for working with hot sticks but they don't ordinarily require grounding (if they did there would be no point to having them).

The question of grounding in general makes me wonder if a minor loss with the new catenary vehicles is the lack of a grounding pan. It does save time over manually placement especially when you are moving along the line.

We used to have manually operated grounding switches on incoming line terminals and then dropped them in favour of hotstick applied grounds. One day I watched a fellow try to stick lift and apply a heavy ground cable to a 500kv line about 25' over his head. …I think my department head made an oops on that decision.

Bill

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 28 02:45:55 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by WillD on Sat Feb 28 02:27:53 2015.

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They kind of have to though. While they have what is known in the power industry as a "chicken stick" tool, the risk of arc over is pretty extreme. The boom is fiberglass, but the end needs to be something a little more conductive than cardboard to knock ice off the roof. That requires some heft and that's usually metal.

While the workers are safe with the chicken sticks should power somehow come on, the metal on the ends of them would in many cases close the gap between the wire and the ceiling sufficiently to draw some arcs. When I saw this article, emailed a buddy who works for AMTK and he said, "oh yeah, they shut down the tunnel for a little over a half hour to do that and then clear up."

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 28 09:42:37 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 28 02:45:55 2015.

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Why does this seem to be more of an issue this year than last ?
We had double the snow totals last year.

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Feb 28 12:29:29 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 28 09:42:37 2015.

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Its COLDER this season, its the low temps causing these problems.

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Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 28 17:17:59 2015, in response to Re: Amtrak’s Ice Patrol under the Hudson River - video, pics, story, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 28 09:42:37 2015.

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Like R33 said. We haven't been above freezing since mid-January up here and you get our cold down there once we're done with it. :)

Freeze/thaw cycles tend to open up holes in things and flow more water when it's above freezing, then it turns to ice when it drops below.

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