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CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:33:10 2014 WHAT IF the CRANBERRY tunnel were to be closed for extensive repairs ala the Montague...According to de LION: (F) No Changes. (A) Local south of 50th Street then via Rutgers to Jay Street, Resume normal. (C) [North] Terminates at Broadway Nassau (switching North of Chambers, wrong railing as necessary through Chambers and Bway-Nassau. (C) [South] Terminates at High Street (using south side of the platform only, north side is reserved for work staging.) (E) No Changes (M) No changes, may be delayed to accommodate (F) and (A) service. ROAR |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 15 10:41:08 2014, in response to CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:33:10 2014. Where is the CRANBERRY tunnel? On your own railroad? |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Sep 15 10:43:46 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 15 10:41:08 2014. Its the underwater tunnel on the A/C lines between Brooklyn and Manhattan. |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 15 10:47:41 2014, in response to CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:33:10 2014. The M couldn't possibly go to the 6th Ave. local track because A + F already exceeds 30 tph.The Manhattan 8th Ave local track can't possibly handle A + C + E. Can the E go express? |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:51:44 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 15 10:47:41 2014. (A) would remain on 8th Avenue to West 4th Street. LOCAL tracks can interchange between 6/8 and Rutgers/Cranberry at West 4th Street. The Express Tracks cannot. This is why I moved the (A) train to the Local tracks at 50th Street.(E) could go express, it could also be the service to terminate at Broadway-Nassau while the north (C) terminates at WTC. Good plan on that one. ROAR |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Sep 15 10:51:58 2014, in response to CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:33:10 2014. C service suspended in Manhattan, A runs local between West 4th and 59th Street, Brooklyn C runs between Euclid and Jay Street. |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:54:38 2014, in response to CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:33:10 2014. WHAT IF the RUTGERS tunnel were the one to be closed...According to LION: (A) No Changes (F) Switch to Cranberry Tunnel at West 4th Street, back to the (F) route at Jay Street. (M) No Changes (C) [North] Switch to Houston Street to terminate at East Broadway. (C) [South] Terminate at York Street (E) No Changes. ROAR |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 15 10:55:19 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 15 10:41:08 2014. LOL! |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 15 11:43:07 2014, in response to CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:33:10 2014. What they should do and what they would do are two different things.But here's what I would do: Relay all Brooklyn trains at Jay St. Reduce A line service to only Far Rockaway trains and have Ozone Park C trains run local while Far Rockaway A trains run express. Rockaway Park shuttle would need a schedule change to cover for the lack of Rockaway Park A specials. (The cause of the reduction of service is to allow for smooth relays at Jay St). Relay all Manhattan trains at Chambers St. Reduce service on both lines slightly so that the relay can be done. The crush-load of passengers will be lessened anyway since there is no access to Fulton St or Brooklyn. Eliminate Z trains and extend the J line to Bay Ridge or West End, and/or move the Q line to join the R in the Montague tunnel, at least during rush hours, so that there are plenty of options awaiting the A and C passengers at Jay St. J train frequency from ENY and west would be very high at the rush hours (special relays at ENY to go back to Manhattan, drawing passengers off the A/C at ENY). |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Sep 15 12:01:28 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 15 10:41:08 2014. Where is the CRANBERRY tunnel?Its cranberry picking season in North Dakota. Broadway just got confused. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Sep 15 12:01:28 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 15 10:41:08 2014. Where is the CRANBERRY tunnel?Its cranberry picking season in North Dakota. Broadway just got confused. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Mon Sep 15 12:09:54 2014, in response to CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:33:10 2014. Why speculate on something that may never happen? Also its possible that train routes might be changed prior to the imangined event happeningAlso what effect, if any, would the completion of the 2nd Avenue subway have on your plans. That assumes we will all be around when that happens. I am sure that the TA has some convoluted plan in case that emergency ever arises! |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 15 12:14:47 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 15 10:41:08 2014. LMAO!!!!!!!!WADL. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 15 12:15:57 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:51:44 2014. There is no longer a Broadway-Nassau St, it's now Fulton. |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Sep 15 13:36:08 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 15 10:41:08 2014. lol WADL |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Sep 15 15:51:32 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 15 10:41:08 2014. A/C Line, between Broadway-Nassau and High Street, the A/C under-river crossing of the East River. |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 15 16:56:30 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Hart Bus on Mon Sep 15 12:09:54 2014. Why speculate on something that may never happen?Fun? Mental exercises? A little escape from reality? |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 15 17:00:18 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 15 16:56:30 2014. +1 |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 15 17:03:31 2014, in response to CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:33:10 2014. What a misleading headline. |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 15 17:10:16 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:54:38 2014. (F) Cranberry juice is fermented! Hic! |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Sep 15 17:23:13 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 15 10:41:08 2014. |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 15 18:49:01 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 15 12:15:57 2014. Old habits die hard.:) |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Sep 15 19:20:13 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Sep 15 10:51:58 2014. Simple, but what of CPW local service? Run the B on weekends? |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 15 19:27:11 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 15 12:14:47 2014. He asked two questions. How can a question be wrong? |
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Re: CRANBERRY NOT CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 15 19:27:14 2014, in response to CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:33:10 2014. Corrected. |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 15 19:27:19 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:54:38 2014. What would happen if the Manhattan Bridge spontaneously collapsed into the East River (but no one got hurt)?My approach would be this: (Q) via Montague (N) via Montague, all local (D) 205th to Grand Street* (B) 145th/Bedford Park Blvd to Grand Street* (T) Coney Island - Pacific Street via West End *Temporary service pattern pending the construction of a crossover at Grand Street: (D) 205th to 34th (B) 145th/Bedford Park Blvd to 34th (S) West 4th to Grand |
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Re: CRANBERRY NOT CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 15 19:35:27 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY NOT CLOSED !!!, posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 15 19:27:14 2014. Good post. |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 15 19:55:32 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 15 19:27:19 2014. Which is why building the DeKalb Rutgers link would have come in handy. |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Sep 15 21:40:49 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 15 10:41:08 2014. really Dan? |
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Weekend shut downs planned* for Cranberry (A)(C) & Rutgers (F) tunnels |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Sep 15 21:49:04 2014, in response to CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 15 10:33:10 2014.  MTA will update the plans for both tunnels in October. |
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Re: Weekend shut downs planned* for Cranberry (A)(C) & Rutgers (F) tunnels |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 22:03:25 2014, in response to Weekend shut downs planned* for Cranberry (A)(C) & Rutgers (F) tunnels, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Sep 15 21:49:04 2014. None of these tunnels can be closed 24/7. |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 16 01:17:30 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 15 19:27:19 2014. This is why Phase Four of the SAS should have connections to both the Montague Tunnel and the 6th Avenue line. I also say that after Phase Two, this should be the next phase to be built.Sure, jamming five lines into the tunnel seems unpleasant. But, with some creative routing, much of that can be eliminated. The F would replace the D on the West End line, running from 36th Street/4th Avenue to Jamaica via Coney Island. The D, which would switch over to the Brighton Line via the SAS, would work in a similar manner to replace the N, ending at 59th Street, but extending to 36th Street when frequency allows. The R would operate its full route 24/7. The N would be cut back to Whitehall Street. The B would operate as a 6th Avenue local to 2nd Avenue. The Concourse Express would be eliminated. This leaves the D, Q, and R running through the Montague. |
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Re: Weekend shut downs planned* for Cranberry (A)(C) & Rutgers (F) tunnels |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 16 01:23:08 2014, in response to Re: Weekend shut downs planned* for Cranberry (A)(C) & Rutgers (F) tunnels, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 22:03:25 2014. Rutgers could be, though the pain would be major. |
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Re: Weekend shut downs planned* for Cranberry (A)(C) & Rutgers (F) tunnels |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 01:25:42 2014, in response to Re: Weekend shut downs planned* for Cranberry (A)(C) & Rutgers (F) tunnels, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 22:03:25 2014. They're going to have to be. Salt water destroys metals. I'm amazed having seen the estimates to repair that there's trains running at all through some of them. I just pray that with all the money that needs to go into them that they'll come up with some kind of working cork for them if another Sandy comes down BEFORE the water gets in them. |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 16 01:27:01 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 16 01:17:30 2014. Which line handles the Culver? |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 01:29:42 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 16 01:27:01 2014. Nobody needs to go there anyway. Heh. |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 16 01:44:25 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 15 19:27:19 2014. This is why Phase Four of the SAS should have connections to both the Montague Tunnel and the 6th Avenue line. I also say that after Phase Two, this should be the next phase to be built.Sure, jamming five lines into the tunnel seems unpleasant. But, with some creative routing, much of that can be eliminated. The G would replace the D on the West End line, running from 36th Street/4th Avenue to Court Square via Coney Island, connecting with the D and R trains at 36th Street for service to Manhattan. This would result in F trains terminating at Coney Island to relay in Coney Island Yard instead of in the station. The D would be rerouted to the Sea Beach line to replace the N. The Q line would remain unchanged. The R would operate its full route 24/7. The N would be cut back to Whitehall Street. The B would operate as a 6th Avenue local to 2nd Avenue. This leaves the D, Q, and R running through the Montague. |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 16 01:48:32 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 16 01:27:01 2014. What part of "36th Street/4th Avenue to Jamaica via Coney Island" did you not understand?Apparently, the "via Coney Island" part. Anyway, I've revised. |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 16 02:22:15 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 16 01:17:30 2014. Terrible. |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 16 02:23:40 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 16 01:48:32 2014. Doesn't make sense. |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 02:30:25 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 16 01:44:25 2014. The Culver line can only access one platform at Coney Island. Having the F terminate there while the G runs through would be a massive bottleneck, unless you were planning to send F trains across the yard after Avenue X. |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 02:34:06 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 02:30:25 2014. Same deal that killed the NX train. But hey ... why ruin a wet dream? ;) |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 03:06:27 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 02:34:06 2014. Same deal that killed the NX train.And that was what, half a dozen peak only trains? But hey ... why ruin a wet dream? ;) No, that would be the F running to Coney Island via Fulton/Brighton local, with a Culver/West End loop service between Coney Island and Park Row via 5th Avenue. |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 03:35:46 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 03:06:27 2014. Heh. Yeah, I forget ... the NX was just a couple of years before my time down in the hole, but the BMT guys were STILL dissing it when I came on board as to how severely it screwed up the railroad. :) |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 16 04:05:51 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 03:35:46 2014. True..it was so terrible,it couldn't last beyond a year.Such a service could operate today, since there isn't as much service running now as before. |
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Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 04:33:31 2014, in response to Re: What would happen if lines such as CRANBERRY were CLOSED ?!!, posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 16 04:05:51 2014. It was keeping a platform clear waiting for it to show up, open up, leave, make sure it was far enough behind a departing seabits to roll, line it up, make it pass and that was on a good day. I asked about it when I was there just to hear about the long-gone run and everybody rolled their eyes because it had to come in on the Q platform then leave and go through the interlocking to the seabits holding up everything on either side of it to clear.It was bad enough in the mornings moving trains out of STL yard and CI yard to get to those platforms, having contramoves on top of it completely screwed up everything in and out of STL in both directions. :( Old timers described it as the most stupid thing anyone could have thought of because all they did was look at the stations, not any other movements in and out of there. |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 16 07:38:36 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 15 17:03:31 2014. IAWTP. Lion doesn't even realize why he shouldn't do that. |
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Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 16 07:39:41 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY CLOSED !!!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Sep 15 17:23:13 2014. +1234567890 |
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Re: CRANBERRY NOT CLOSED !!! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 16 10:41:13 2014, in response to Re: CRANBERRY NOT CLOSED !!!, posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 15 19:27:14 2014. MINE was more FUN!And it made a nice fat thread. ROAR |
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Re: Weekend shut downs planned* for Cranberry (A)(C) & Rutgers (F) tunnels |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 16 10:43:36 2014, in response to Re: Weekend shut downs planned* for Cranberry (A)(C) & Rutgers (F) tunnels, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 22:03:25 2014. Wanna Bet! |
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