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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 10:33:20 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by The silence on Tue Aug 26 10:30:25 2014. OK, that is a legitimate point, but not for the reason you cited. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Aug 26 10:38:27 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Aug 26 00:03:28 2014. Like the N, Wmata, etc... |
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Posted by The silence on Tue Aug 26 10:54:01 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 10:29:06 2014. Then why don't we depict the Staten Island ferry, it's an important transit link. Why isn't it a transit line. Or the HBLR if he wants to depict jersey so badly.It gets to the point of "where do we stop?" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 10:58:07 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by The silence on Tue Aug 26 10:54:01 2014. The Staten Island Ferry is depicted. Even the Statue of Liberty/Ellis Island Ferry, which is not an important transit link at all.The difference is that PATH does operate to and within New York City, unlike HBLR. |
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Posted by The silence on Tue Aug 26 10:58:34 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 10:31:36 2014. Nobody cares, but what should that matter.People come into town thinking New York City is just manhattan, should we be depicting that on maps? It's about the same level of logic. "I think, therefor it must be" Just cause someone thinks it's a subway does not suddenly make it a subway. And you of course are forgetting that not matter the disclaimers, by depicting the PATH equally in the subway map, people are going to think it's an MTA operation and complain to the MTA about everything about it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 11:03:43 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by The silence on Tue Aug 26 10:58:34 2014. People come into town thinking New York City is just manhattan, should we be depicting that on maps? It's about the same level of logic.If the subway operated only in Manhattan, that would make sense. But this isn't a "New York City Map," It's a SUBWAY MAP. If the subway extended into Nassau and Westchester, then the map would have to depict them, despite not being part of New York City. Of course, for whatever reason, the map has decided that it should also depict railroads and other transit links within its area of coverage. The argument here concerns the manner in which PATH should be depicted and whether it should be depicted at all. Just cause someone thinks it's a subway does not suddenly make it a subway. But some historical factoid about the way the system is regulated does not suddenly make it not a subway. The subway map is not about teaching history and politics to its users. And you of course are forgetting that not matter the disclaimers, by depicting the PATH equally in the subway map, people are going to think it's an MTA operation and complain to the MTA about everything about it. Then why not make that your argument instead of giving us a history lesson going back to the early 20th Century? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Aug 26 11:21:34 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by BrooklynTrain on Mon Aug 25 22:35:08 2014. If its shown as a subway line, people may expect a free transfer from the subway. A simple note somewhere indicating that an extra fare is required should be sufficient, though. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Aug 26 11:22:03 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by The silence on Tue Aug 26 10:20:38 2014. The Airtrain to JFK is operated by the same group that operates PATH and appears on the map in far more detail than PATH does. Should that be removed from the map as well? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Aug 26 11:24:45 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by localacrosstheplatform on Tue Aug 26 10:12:22 2014. Considering that on weekdays, nearly every PATH station is a one seat ride from every other station, I'm not sure it is important to show all the service patterns. I think providing the "minimum" of showing where PATH stops in Manhattan and indicating that it continues to Hoboken, Jersey City, and Newark is sufficient. The passengers can figure out how to go once they get to Jersey. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Aug 26 11:44:54 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 08:43:06 2014. They are even both run by agencies called "Port Authority". |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Aug 26 12:03:50 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by R30A on Tue Aug 26 10:38:27 2014. Correct. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Aug 26 12:11:08 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Aug 26 11:21:34 2014. Airtrain is shown as if it were a subway, and it costs an extra fare. And the extra fare is not even mentioned. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Aug 26 12:30:03 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 11:03:43 2014. I am beginning to agree with you.The "Subway Map" is not "just the subways", but an opportunity to provide a means for telling folks how to get about the city. In recent years the MAP has called it, "The Map". In any case, the "subway map" has for decades been a well used representation of the city. It provides a means for folks to try and figure out where they are, and where they want to go. Which of course has lead to countless arguments about what to include, how to include it or depict it, what not to include, etc. Inside the Transit Museum there are displays about how the "subway map" has changed over the decades. This particular argument is about how to include and depict the PATH system. On one level it is really not that far removed from arguments in the past about what should or should not appear on the maps. Anyone remember past subway maps where only a particular company's routes were shown on "their maps"- the IND only maps, the IRT only maps, the BMT only maps? Anyone remember the complaints over the shape of Central Park in previous maps? The MAP is not just about the subway, but about the ability to help folks navigate their way around the city - that is the real important goal to not lose sight of. Mike |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 26 13:23:05 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by The silence on Tue Aug 26 10:26:10 2014. Not stupid at all. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 26 13:23:39 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 10:32:46 2014. Agreed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 26 13:24:24 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by The silence on Tue Aug 26 10:28:02 2014. No he's not. And his proposed change certainly does serve a real purpose. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 26 13:36:47 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by The silence on Tue Aug 26 10:20:38 2014. There you, one again proving you are an idiot and should not be involved in adult conversations.LOL! If anyone is an idiot in this discussion, it is clearly you, as you have made blatantly obvious throughout, and as I will now show, AGAIN. PATH is not a transit authority line, why should it be depicted on a transit map equally?So instead of responding to what I actually wrote, you instead brought up an entirely new point???? You're an idiot! Not to mention that I clearly stated "There may be perfectly valid arguments against doing what he proposes to do but your silly arguement isn't one of them!" That means that there may be other reasons to consider. One of those reasons happens to be this one. You should not be involved in adult conversations! Simple answer is it shouldn't.No, that is neither "a" nor "the" simple answer. It is a matter of opinion that you just provided without providing any real reasoning. It's depicted on the map exactly as it should be, exactly what it is.There are perfectly valid reasons why that is NOT necessarily true, and the guy mentioned many of them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 13:37:41 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by Michael549 on Tue Aug 26 12:30:03 2014. AWESOME POST! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 26 13:37:51 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 10:33:20 2014. Exactly. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 26 13:38:24 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by The silence on Tue Aug 26 10:30:25 2014. That's not what he said. |
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Posted by b1bus on Tue Aug 26 15:57:20 2014, in response to Re: PATH Deserves To Be On the Subway Map, posted by LA Scott on Tue Aug 26 07:10:43 2014. ....that is not in passenger service. |
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