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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 02:31:40 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 02:30:25 2014. Yep. Filter's still working. Stop lying, Mr. Turtle. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Mar 4 09:10:44 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 3 14:42:15 2014. I searched for Stantec firing and he comes up. It works! |
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Posted by caine515 on Tue Mar 4 14:22:47 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 25 17:22:15 2014. I'm guessing its where you photograph is the issue. For instance, when I went to Knoxville TN and took pictures of the bus fleet, I was fine outside of the Bus Station. It seems that they don't mind pictures but they would ask why.If for example a bus was running in the street on its route you could take a picture of it but you couldn't inside the garage unless you were a employee. The same with PATH. Any stop BUT WTC is ok but don't spend too much time taking pics. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 4 16:57:07 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by caine515 on Tue Mar 4 14:22:47 2014. No, that's not it at all. Amateur photography is not legally restricted in any publicly accessible area of any U.S. transit system where you are otherwise allowed to be except at the Pentagon station of the DC Metro (DoD imposed restriction) and on PATH (but the PATH restriction might not stand up to legal challenge - someone would need to test it). |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 21:46:45 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 02:30:25 2014. Filter Test #2Brian Weinberg, Terrapin Station. Terrapin Station, Brian Weinberg. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 21:51:05 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 21:46:45 2014. Well, he's definitely got that damn filter running well... |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Tue Mar 4 21:59:55 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 21:51:05 2014. Are you talking about Brian Weinberg? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 4 22:03:00 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Tue Mar 4 21:59:55 2014. Heh. There were several other ways to escape the pod, but that one's painless and not a match. LOVE how Microsoft's database stuff works. :) |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 22:04:04 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Tue Mar 4 21:59:55 2014. Yep. I know that there's a way around it, as well, since you and Henry demonstrated that successfully! LOL! |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 22:16:04 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 22:04:04 2014. Filter Test #3Brian Weinberg. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 22:17:37 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 22:16:04 2014. A-ha! So that's how it's done! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 4 22:23:59 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 4 16:57:07 2014. Though not really a "public transit system" Greyhound does prohibit photography in/at their bus terminals... after getting yelled at I was all set to write an angry letter to Greyhound, when I found the actual rule prohibiting photography of "facilities, equipment or procedures" (or something to that effect). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 4 22:26:03 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Mar 4 22:16:04 2014. Heh, for that matter you could just put an <a /> in the middle.Now, since "view flat" is a way around it anyway, I'm surprised Google didn't pick up on it... |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Mar 4 23:11:29 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 4 22:23:59 2014. Greyhound has more of a claim to being a private company than the Port Authority does, but even they can't prohibit photography of their equipment, facilities, or procedures, unless they're using a secret network of entirely private roads not visible from sidewalks, bridges, or nearby buildings. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 4 23:30:39 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Tue Mar 4 23:11:29 2014. Well yeah. Still, their rule impacts arguably the most common travel related picture taken: the picture of your vehicle at the stations you disembark. I've taken pictures of the train in the station and the plane at the gate, but I guess the bus at the privately-owned curb is a no-no. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 2 13:26:55 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Fri Feb 28 09:48:52 2014. but the fact remains that you claimed the former here (read prior posts for context) and implied it hereNo I didn't. You clearly don't understand what I wrote. while you claimed the latter here, and implied it here.No I did not. Again, you clearly don't understand what I wrote. Every word is deliberate. You are ignoring key words that I wrote. Your reading comprehension is lacking. I hate to break it to you, but this is not only untrue, it is, in your case, sadly moot.Wrong. It is neither untrue nor moot. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Oct 2 16:19:10 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 28 10:09:41 2014. Are the "police" of private railroads legally police officers? I would think they are just private security guards, and that calling them "police" is simply a colloquial usage, not their true legal status.Nilet's basic contention that "If you're public enough to have your own police department, you're public enough to be subject to be subject to the first amendment" HAS to be true with regard to public "authorities". If this really has never been established, then someone needs to take a case to the Supreme Court to get it established. Otherwise, government could just offload most of its functions to various quasi-private "Authorities", and the Bill of Rights would become essentially meaningless. I certainly wouldn't want to live on a street "owned" by the "New York City Street and Sidewalk Authority", for example. ["Necroposted" because other parts of this thread are active again, and contain references to this part.] |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 2 16:32:37 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Oct 2 16:19:10 2014. That would depend on the state. In NY, they are covered under the relevant sections of the NYS CPL, and NYS Railroad law. That is where their police powers are derived/defined. I don't know the answer outside of NY. |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Oct 2 16:39:32 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Oct 2 16:19:10 2014. Actually, yes, Railroad police officers are fully empowered law enforcement officers.Nielt's contention that in order to be a police department, you must be publicly accountable is false, there are private policing agencies. From the wiki article on Railroad police: Section 1704 of the U.S. Crime Control Act of 1990, provides that: "A railroad police officer who is certified or commissioned as a police officer under the laws of any one state shall, in accordance with the regulations issued by the U.S. Secretary of Transportation, be authorized to enforce the laws of any other state in which the rail carrier owns property." Some states give railroad police officers full policing powers (IE if they see you robbing a 7/11, they can arrest you) while other states their powers are limited to the property of the railroad that employs them. Here is the law for New York It notes that a Railroad police officer in New York has all the authority of any other police officer, within the property of the Railroad. But as noted in the above quote, If you are a Railroad policeman, you have at least some authority in any state your Railroad owns land in. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Oct 2 16:59:43 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by The Silence on Thu Oct 2 16:39:32 2014. Wow. A railroad company (or steamship or "express" company) can simply have anyone they want appointed a policeman, as long as he doesn't have a criminal record, and let him get training later? But the superintendent of state police can revoke or suspend that appointment "at pleasure", without giving a reason? It seems like this law gives people way too much power. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 2 17:01:34 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 2 13:26:55 2014. turtle soup |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 2 18:37:08 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Oct 2 16:59:43 2014. In practice, you want anyone with police powers and a gun to have their training ASAP. The liability issues if they are involved in an incident and have not yet received at least the minimum level of training proscribed for that position would make it most foolhardy. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Oct 2 18:43:24 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Oct 2 16:59:43 2014. As I read the law you posted, firearms training does have to be given before the officer is issued a gun, but other aspects of police training can come up to a year after appointment.P.S. Proscribed ≠ prescribed |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 2 19:16:04 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Oct 2 18:43:24 2014. yes, proscribed was definitely wrong, my bad.... they get 6 months to do firearms training, can work w/o gun before that....but would you but your business insurance at risk by putting someone out there who might arrest someone without the appropriate basic training....I would not be surprised if liability carriers list that as an exclusion, and would not cover... |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Oct 2 19:21:59 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 2 17:01:34 2014. we need to get rid of him totally!!!! He's the ONLY one who keeps changing his name constantly!!! |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Oct 2 19:53:29 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Oct 2 16:59:43 2014. Strictly speaking, anyone can be made a law enforcement officer with no formal training at all.For example, outside of New York City, the office of County Sheriff is an elected one. (NYC's Sheriff is a political appointment by the mayor who oversees a Sheriff's department with 150 deputies who mostly handle court ordered seizures, but still have policing powers). |
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Posted by pd11604 on Thu Oct 2 19:53:45 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 2 19:16:04 2014. Most railroads require prospective police officer candidates to have some kind of state peace officer training and / or certification |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 2 20:06:12 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by The Silence on Thu Oct 2 19:53:29 2014. In NYC the Sheriff and Undersheriff positions are appointed, but the deputies are civil service. Most sheriff positions in NY include both law enforcement and correctional responsibilities and are classified as "police officers" NYC is somewhat different, they are "peace officers" but obviously, we have both a large police force and dept. of corrections. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 2 22:18:58 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Oct 2 19:21:59 2014. WADL!!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 2 23:05:17 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 2 13:26:55 2014. You necroposted in an eight month old thread just so you could drool more mindless contradictions?Get a life, dude. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 2 23:08:57 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by The Silence on Thu Oct 2 16:39:32 2014. Nielt's contention that in order to be a police department, you must be publicly accountable is false, there are private policing agencies.If you have police powers, you are required to obey Constitutional restrictions no matter who you are and who you work for— the rights granted by the Constitution represent limits on the power of the state, and the state cannot delegate to any person a power that it doesn't have itself. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 2 23:26:30 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 2 23:05:17 2014. No. I've already explained this to you. You don't listen. I told you that I have posts I keep open in my browser until I get a round tuit. Well, hot damn, I got one this afternoon. And voilà...I've now closed that tab. Big day for me. We're going out to celebrate later tonight. Combining it with our usual pre-Yom Kippur orgy of uncouth desecration. I'd invite you and all, but, with you being an asshole and everything, well, no. Hope I don't see you in hell, bud! Know what I mean? Especially after tonight. Fuck. This is gonna rock. I'll still pray for you though. On Saturday. When I'm praying for myself. Let all who ye sinners desires come eat at my table um salvation original sin lollipops. Amen. I AM A BEAST. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 2 23:43:59 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 2 23:26:30 2014. 
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Oct 3 08:21:38 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 2 22:18:58 2014. GO TO HELL!!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Oct 3 08:40:21 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Oct 3 08:21:38 2014. Nope. But you're an idiot, Dan Lawrence. WADL!!! |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Oct 3 13:58:26 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Oct 3 08:40:21 2014. You are the biggest idiot here!!! |
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