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Posted by Stef on Wed Dec 11 22:07:08 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 11 21:27:05 2013. My understanding was that one of the "A" (8001 or 05) Cars was to be designated a Pump Car, but those plans may have changed, or at least put on hold (budget issues?). It's not entirely clear so it's merely speculation on my part.I do think that even if 8001, 05, 06, and 10 aren't used as part of the pump train, I wonder if these could be rebuilt into work motors? There is the question of preservation too... -Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 11 22:41:11 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Wed Dec 11 22:07:08 2013. If I had to speculate, the trend I'm seeing is that the old is being replaced by the new; like in the case of the Redbird being replaced by the R110Bs at Floyd Bennett Field. I could see perhaps the remaining cars replacing other older cars; two R110Bs to replace the R30 Rail Adhesion Cars, and one R110A to replace the R33 version.In terms of preservation, I could see one of the R110A A-cars being saved, with one R110B from the 3007-3009 group. |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Dec 11 22:45:18 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 11 22:41:11 2013. I didn't think about that; perhaps the Rail Adhesion Cars will also need to be replaced at some point....-Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 11 23:04:31 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Wed Dec 11 22:45:18 2013. 8885's showing her age. It could definitely use a new coat if you ask me. |
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Posted by Jace on Thu Dec 12 16:44:38 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Dec 10 14:52:06 2013. The feds are looking to protect their investment. It doesn't look too good if a city has to buy new cars after the last batch only lasted 15 years. If and when that happens, the feds ask the agency to return the money owed them. You buy a 15 year car, you get only enough money for a 15 year car. Again, perfectly reasonable to me.The R110s were test trains that were not bought with federal funds so the same provisions you'd see on a more typical car contract were not included. The cars themselves were designed for 40 years (if not more, a lot of R110A structure is on the heavy side compared to the follow-on R142As). |
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Posted by Jace on Thu Dec 12 16:51:44 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Wed Dec 11 22:07:08 2013. Originally yes, the A cars were going to have the pumps inside. Not enough time to get the trains done when wanted for this to happen so now the pumps are on flats. The B cars remain as reach cars. The A cars may be used for future pumps cars. |
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Posted by Stef on Fri Dec 13 01:02:45 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Jace on Thu Dec 12 16:51:44 2013. Thanks Again for shedding light on this situation!-Stef |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Dec 17 19:17:56 2013, in response to R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Sat Dec 7 03:09:41 2013. As reported by Jace, work is continuing on the R110A "B" Cars with the main pumping equipment being installed on a flat car on an interim basis. This is due to a time constraint.Cars 8001,05, 06, and 10 will be set out for now; but they are still penciled in to be the designated pump cars. There's no interest in preserving them for the Museum at this point. When the work is finally done, they will probably resemble their R65 Cousins; the ends of the cars will most likely be cut out. Further info on the R110B's: 3001-03 HAVE NOT DEPARTED for Floyd Bennett Field. Car 3007 was sent out to replace the R33's. 5 R110B's remain on the property in storage. R188 Recap: 7838-43 are delivered and were transferred from 239th St to Pitkin Yard Last Night. One of the SBK Locos operated as the lead loco going South. I'll start looking for 7844-48. -Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 17 19:37:59 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Additional Info), posted by Stef on Tue Dec 17 19:17:56 2013. Awesome info! Hit the post button too quickly on my post...saw the R110B car at noon today waiting to go. Thanks for the info.So does this mean no interest for the R110B either by the museum? |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Dec 17 19:45:11 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Additional Info), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 17 19:37:59 2013. You know it's great to be able to give valuable info but: the lines of communication are sometimes crossed. Someone did see 3001-03 inside the barn and as far as that person was concerned these were designated for FBF. That is not the case.I try to be as accurate as possible, but these things do get mixed up from time to time. As far as I know, there's no interest in the R110B's either. -Stef |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Dec 17 19:50:04 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Additional Info), posted by Stef on Tue Dec 17 19:45:11 2013. I am debating if I should join up with a photo hosting site.I managed to take an AVERAGE photo of 7833-37 and 7838-43 in the transfer from the apartment window. Wouldn't call them exemplary as they were taken in the dark and with a Samsung Galaxy S2 Smartphone. -Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 17 20:06:10 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Additional Info), posted by Stef on Tue Dec 17 19:45:11 2013. Regardless though, it's still valuable info and it's all really appreciated anything that's shared with us. :)Now if i may share this info, regarding 3001-3003, last Friday I did see 3001 sitting on the same track it has sat on for a while at the 215th Street end of the yard. But I'm not sure if that car was isolated from the others, or still part of the 3-car set (the car was only partially viewable, it was behind a building there). As far as I can also tell, 3007 and 3008 (and I assume 3009) were still parked behind the R12 car. Regarding photos, I use Flickr to host the photos I've shared on here. For me it's easy to upload photos and to use. I'd recommend it. |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Dec 17 20:25:20 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Additional Info), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 17 20:06:10 2013. Thanks for the recommendation.It's always good to share info, that's the whole point of the message board! Regards, Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 17 20:33:27 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Additional Info), posted by Stef on Tue Dec 17 20:25:20 2013. No problem. And I agree! |
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Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report) |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Dec 18 00:09:45 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Additional Info), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 17 20:06:10 2013. I wish that my sources would get their info straight because right now I'm looking kind of foolish posting stuff here that may be in error. Very annoying indeed.From 207th St based on observations of a "Source": It looks like now that the R110B Car on Track 65 is 3001. 3007,08,09 are still together (!) as is 3002-03. R110A 8002, 03, 04, 8008, 09 are inside and set up with the water pipes in each unit, Pump Car 56 (retired) is inside as well, this will be going to NYTM soon (Tracks 12,13). 8001 and 05 are sitting on Track 45, 8006 and 07 on Track 49, and 8010 sits alone on Track 50. R36's 9586 and 87 are essentially done with the body work at this point, they are waiting for their turn in the paint shop. -Stef |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Wed Dec 18 00:46:40 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Stef on Wed Dec 18 00:09:45 2013. Any word on the R40 Slant pair and the R16 up at 207, and the R38 pair still at Pitkin? |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Dec 18 01:00:34 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Ray Jules on Wed Dec 18 00:46:40 2013. The Slants are outside the shop at 207th St, no work right now;6387 is inside being worked on; The R38's are still at Pitkin, MF1986 took a picture of them a while back. They were sharing track space with the D Types. -Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 01:02:00 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Stef on Wed Dec 18 00:09:45 2013. Thanks again for the info Stef. Info seems ever so changing...can be frustrating of course, but it's still news and still appreciated.So perhaps 3001 was already isolated when I last saw it last Friday. I didn't see 3002-3003, though. Interesting development on the R110As, sounds like they've made plenty of progress. Can't wait to see all 10 cars done eventually. Cool development on the BMT Pump Car! They've been working a long time on that one; saw this photo on the museum's Facebook page:  Seen 9586-87 done for some time, sitting with the R40. Like the progress so far. Hopefully they'll start working on the rest of the Redbirds soon and the lone R40M at Concourse. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 01:15:22 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Ray Jules on Wed Dec 18 00:46:40 2013. R38 cars 4028-29 from late last September: |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Wed Dec 18 01:25:26 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 01:15:22 2013. man i hope that they get some work done on them like the R42s did |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Dec 18 01:33:11 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Ray Jules on Wed Dec 18 01:25:26 2013. As far as I know, the R38's were cleaned up (painted) previously before they left 207th St Yard.-Stef |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Wed Dec 18 01:40:52 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Stef on Wed Dec 18 01:33:11 2013. yeah i know they had their bonnets repainted. i'd guess they're still in pretty good mechanical shape. hopefully they get put in the museum next year during the summer nostalgia runs or during the holiday train runs in december |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 01:46:09 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Ray Jules on Wed Dec 18 01:40:52 2013. Last big thing done on that pair was a repaint in 2009. They moved to Pitkin then after to join the museum R42 there.I believe I read elsewhere and have been told from some that there is an interest in lashing up a 10-car consist of museum cars (R32/38/40/40M/42) sometime in the future (heard the same about the remaining Redbirds, which last I heard, will be worked on eventually pair by pair). We'll have to wait and see what happens later. |
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Posted by MTA T on Wed Dec 18 06:13:26 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 01:46:09 2013. Shiiiiiet... sounds interesting, but they really need to work on that R40"M" car; doesn't look like that has moved in a long time. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 18 15:37:15 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 01:46:09 2013. Im glad they do have an r40m pair. Any word on if they intend to save the willy b pair? I read they were left out when ciy was flooded due to sandy last year. And as much as i love tos ee that, i hope it doesn't mean that would be the new holiday train for the future as opposed to the r9s. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Dec 18 16:30:46 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 18 15:37:15 2013. I fully agree with you. It would be nice if they came out on maybe the Brooklyn Els or even better the Rockaways! |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 18 17:02:44 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Union Tpke on Wed Dec 18 16:30:46 2013. Would be good for the museum trips. As long as the r32s and slants are on the opposite ends of the train. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 21:47:02 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by MTA T on Wed Dec 18 06:13:26 2013. Since at least 2010. They still have those red diamond scrap stickers on the cab windows, despite these being preserved. |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Wed Dec 18 21:49:38 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 21:47:02 2013. I hope those stickers get removed ASAP, don't want any mistakes to happen... |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 21:56:05 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 18 15:37:15 2013. That would be up to those in the inside to fill us in on those cars. Though based on observation, the pair doesn't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon; as soon as the School Car R30 pair left CIY to scrap back in October, the R40M/42 pair was moved in it's place (and the R16 pair was moved closer to the cars). I would speculate that there is interest in that pair (maybe by RPC?). But what the purpose of these is, again, would be up to those in the inside to say. |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Wed Dec 18 22:02:00 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 21:56:05 2013. I wish there was somebody who works on the cars who could give updates on the details of the restoration of all the museum cars.With that being said, I also wish that there was an easier way to volunteer to help restore these cars as well. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 22:02:44 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Ray Jules on Wed Dec 18 21:49:38 2013. Doubt they'd make a mistake on scrapping the pair, though if you ask me, I do wish they'd move the cars to the other side of the yard and hook them up with the Redbirds. I'm sure they're aware of the car being back there, but they do have plants and weeds growing around the pair...at least mid-body height. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 22:16:16 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Ray Jules on Wed Dec 18 22:02:00 2013. I wonder that myself actually. The best we can do now is donate money to the museum. But it would be nice if they allowed people to help out. Perhaps one day a week or something like that. |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Dec 18 22:29:14 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 22:16:16 2013. MF1986:There were volunteers working down at CIY on Tuesdays under the direction of retired Shop Superintendent Mike Hanna. This should still be the case. What I would suggest is if anyone is riding the Museum Train on Sunday, inquire with the operating personnel. Perhaps Mike himself will be riding. -Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 22:38:26 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Stef on Wed Dec 18 22:29:14 2013. That actually sounds awesome, thanks. I should inquire about this should I decide to check out the Museum Train this weekend. |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Dec 19 01:35:47 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 18 22:38:26 2013. If you really want to get a hands on experience, consider joining up at the Shoreline Trolley Museum (if you aren't a member already). They have an impressive collection of Rapid Transit (and Streetcar!) Vehicles from NYC.You can work on the equipment and operate as well. Was a good experience for me when I discovered an R17 operating in the backwoods of Connecticut when I was 22 years of age. I fell head over heels with the lady in red. Heh! -Stef 
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Posted by Jace on Thu Dec 19 11:44:51 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Stef on Wed Dec 18 00:09:45 2013. Only 8002, 3 and 4 have the pipes inside so far. The others were just brought in to get stripped out. |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Dec 19 12:00:27 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Jace on Thu Dec 19 11:44:51 2013. Thanks for the clarification.-Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Thu Dec 19 20:52:19 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Stef on Thu Dec 19 01:35:47 2013. And she looks fine! Really good work!I'll consider it. I've never been up there before. Should take a drive up one of these days. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sat Dec 28 01:34:39 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Stef on Wed Dec 18 00:09:45 2013. I also notice R-1 103 is up there! |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Sat Dec 28 01:40:36 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by JBar387 on Sat Dec 28 01:34:39 2013. It has been for a while now |
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Posted by Stef on Sat Dec 28 02:39:34 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by JBar387 on Sat Dec 28 01:34:39 2013. And so is the Steinway Car...They have a long way to go.-Stef |
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R1 #103 [Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report)} |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sat Dec 28 20:20:13 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by JBar387 on Sat Dec 28 01:34:39 2013. Do you think it can run in the Holiday train next year? |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Sat Dec 28 20:46:57 2013, in response to R1 #103 [Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report)}, posted by Union Tpke on Sat Dec 28 20:20:13 2013. This question has been asked every year since 2010. Wonder what we can do to further the restoration of the car along.. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sat Dec 28 20:48:32 2013, in response to R1 #103 [Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report)}, posted by Union Tpke on Sat Dec 28 20:20:13 2013. Had a exterior paint job, But needs alot of work inside and out. Could happen but it depends on what car has priority for restoration. I will not be keeping up with these things that was my last visit to 207. Others will. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sat Dec 28 20:50:01 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report), posted by Stef on Sat Dec 28 02:39:34 2013. They sure do! |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sat Dec 28 21:06:44 2013, in response to Re: R1 #103 [Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report)}, posted by JBar387 on Sat Dec 28 20:48:32 2013. And there are quite a number of railcars up for restoration. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Dec 28 22:36:47 2013, in response to Re: R1 #103 [Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report)}, posted by JBar387 on Sat Dec 28 20:48:32 2013. Quite an accomplishment given how there were just 4 cars in 2003 to the amount there are now after 10yrs. much as it's great they are running, it would also be nice if they can get the r16, r30 and r34 running too. |
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Posted by CJ on Sun Dec 29 18:15:04 2013, in response to Re: R1 #103 [Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report)}, posted by grand concourse on Sat Dec 28 22:36:47 2013. 6387 is getting work done at 207th Street. |
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Posted by jabrams on Sun Dec 29 20:16:26 2013, in response to Re: R1 #103 [Re: R110A/R188 (Conflicting Report)}, posted by Ray Jules on Sat Dec 28 20:46:57 2013. If we have R1 100, do we really need 103? Maybe just for spare parts for 100. |
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