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R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013 Today, history was made in which the last remaining R27 subway car, car number 8145 was removed from NYCT property - some 23 years after 229 of its sister cars were removed and scrapped. 8145 did her last years as a School Car, first at 36th Street Yard in the 1990s, and then later at Pitkin Yard.8145 was joined with R30 subway car 8463, which was used in the movie "Money Train" for scenes filmed in the New York City area before also becoming a school car. The photos were taken by the 215th Street Station in Upper Manhattan. This on my way to work. R27 8145         R30 8463      Trucks and Other Parts      Thank you for viewing. Enjoy. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Oct 22 20:22:31 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. G-d Bless 'Em. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Oct 22 20:29:05 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. This is absolutly disgraceful and sad. Let's hope that stuff like this doesn't happen again.Mysterious Friday 1986, thanks for posting. It's important to get photos of events like this. Thank you for your continued updates on scrappings. Keep Up the good work. Union Tpke |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 22 20:36:24 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Oct 22 20:22:31 2013. ...like seeing an old friend headin for the gallows pole. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Oct 22 20:38:04 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. Sad the original 2CY is leading the car under those paper signs. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 22 20:41:27 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. Why didn't they save the trucks and running gear, at least? First, IIRC, they weren't GOH'ed, so those are more or less the original spec'ed equipment, meaning original sounds and the like. Plus wouldn't they be useful for spare parts for other SMEE cars? |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:44:30 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Oct 22 20:22:31 2013. Amen. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:46:09 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Oct 22 20:29:05 2013. Thanks. It was a sad sight indeed. As it's said however....sometimes good things can't last forever. The R27 did it's service and left proudly. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:49:03 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Oct 22 20:38:04 2013. Sad indeed. Perhaps parts would've been kept from the 2CY? Or would the whole thing have had to be thrown out? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 22 20:49:31 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Oct 22 20:22:31 2013. Yeah, but looking at those floor lines as the funeral cortege floated by, they're in as bad a condition as the rustbirds that went swimming. Once the floor welds rot, it's pretty much over. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 22 20:50:52 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Oct 22 20:38:04 2013. It might be worth somebody's time to find out where that air-pumper is headed and make a deal with the scrapper before the torch hits it. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:51:33 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 22 20:41:27 2013. I would agree on that part of keeping some of the parts. My guess would be though, that these parts haven't been serviced in years. So it probably would've cost a lot of money to repair. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Oct 22 20:53:53 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:51:33 2013. That stuff's pretty rugged. If it was intact, it would be almost certainly be usable. :-( |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:57:40 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Oct 22 20:53:53 2013. True...Come to think of it...on a related note on that, as someone who advocated for that R27 to stay, after seeing the car up close, I kind of understand now why it needed to go... |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Oct 22 21:41:55 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. The cars trucks were on the last two trucks in the convoy. Cars being scrapped usually don't have their trucks with them. |
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Posted by MTA T on Tue Oct 22 21:48:13 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. Wow, those cars really WERE in bad condition... |
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Posted by caz on Tue Oct 22 21:53:57 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Oct 22 20:38:04 2013. I guess they had enough surplus SMEE parts for the museum cars. It is still sad they didn't save the 2-CY unit, as it is such a rare compressor, that hasn't been produced since the mid-1960s.Caz |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Oct 22 22:29:20 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. Great job, super catches, Mysterious. You caught history indeed. And history is not necessarily sweet, is it? Thanx for the posts.Glad to see these posts; I know , however, they will not obliterate the many great memories I have of these when they were new. In 1960, my 6th grade class was treated to an end of school season outing to C.I. We would hop the IRT Lex. from 149/ 3rd Av. As there was no 59th st express stop at the time, we changed for the 6 local to 59th. The train was a clean shiny green R26. I recall being thrilled to get a new train, but how loud the train sounded while sitting in the station. Don't think it was the compressors but something under there was blowing up a storm. We arrived at 59th & headed en mass to the BMT level. It was dark and damp smelling, water dripping off the walls, with bare bulb incandescent lights, many of which were blown out. Waiting for our train, a D-type pulled in headed to Queens. Our teacher, Brother Thomas by name, recalled with fondness growing up in Brooklyn how he rode these with much joy. Next an R27 came barreling in. I was shocked as it was fatter version of the IRT train I had just ridden. I peeked in to see the same basic layout. And there was a strange smell of newness, perhaps it was the plastic/ fibreglass finishings, the rubber moldings. Never knew what it was but the R27/30's had it for a long time, while the IRT cars did not. The sleek train pulled out and our CI bound standard came growling in. The R27 was not a favorite among BMT purists. The axiflow fans, fibre glass side saddle seating, the IND style route letters. Still the R27 in their own way became the NEW standards, with features that would last many years on the BMT-IND lines. Good bye old friends! R17-6599 |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Tue Oct 22 23:01:16 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. The R27 (8145) was scheduled to be dumped 15 years ago when it was laying in 38th st yard. And R30(8463) was another take from the "money train" flick. Both served well beyond their useful life givining years of service as school cars with all components working as designed. Yes it is history in the making, the chapter is closed and time goes on.WE-44 |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Oct 22 23:53:23 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Westcode44 on Tue Oct 22 23:01:16 2013. The A-HOles scrapped BOTH of their original compressors |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Oct 22 23:59:37 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 22 20:50:52 2013. There were TWO of them! SIMS does not make deals for train parts. TA was really being spiteful. They had plenty of time to install paper roll signs but not to forklift a scrap D4 in place to make the junk man happy. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Oct 23 00:39:41 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MTA T on Tue Oct 22 21:48:13 2013. Looking at the LAHT siding peeling away from the body ribs on a car that was stored out of the rain at Pitkin, I'm considering replacing the R16 at TMNY with an R62 now. I'll be working on car body till I drop |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 23 02:21:37 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Oct 22 23:59:37 2013. Geez ... well ... you know where I stand on Empty-yay management.No way, huh? That blows goats. :( |
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Posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 03:38:03 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Oct 23 00:39:41 2013. This also makes me wonder what they'll do with R17 6895 and R21 7267 at Concourse now. |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Oct 23 06:04:37 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. a sad day for railfans and da R27/R30.chud1. :(.... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 23 06:56:16 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. Thank you for sharing. Does anyone know why they weren't towed to 207th by diesel locomotive? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 23 07:00:06 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 23 06:56:16 2013. Also, I never really liked the R27/30. They look like artificially inflated R26/28/29/33... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 23 07:08:09 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Oct 22 23:53:23 2013. I can see that the car bodies were shot. But I also don't see why parts that could have been useful on Museum and work trains were scrapped as well. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 23 08:13:26 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. Scrapper doesn't want aluminum window sash, nor glass ? |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Oct 23 08:44:53 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. Friday. Those are some very poignant pictures. The R-27's served the city well for many years. Thanks to you we can bid goodbye to this rail warrior. Over the years too many of our subway cars have gone with barely no notice.With your permission I would like to include this in "The Book of Last Runs" with your credit duly noted. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 09:52:14 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 23 08:13:26 2013. Of course not glass; scrappers (at least for vehicles) go for mostly metal.If there are no aluminum window sashes, though, they may have been stripped off a long time ago; otherwise I'm not sure what happened to them. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 23 09:53:19 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. very nice |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 11:16:59 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Oct 23 08:44:53 2013. Thak you so much, Larry! It was sad to see that car go. It left with honor.And I'd be honored to have this moment of history documented on the Book of Last Runs. Thank you! |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 11:17:27 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 23 09:53:19 2013. Thank you very much. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 11:22:30 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 23 08:13:26 2013. I would imagine the sash windows are recycled and used on other cars? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 23 11:24:48 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 11:22:30 2013. Not even an old R32 has those kind of drop sash. |
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Posted by CJ on Wed Oct 23 11:32:58 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 03:38:03 2013. I did hear 6895 is in better condition compared to 7267. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 23 11:36:33 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 09:52:14 2013. When you take your car to the junk yard, they have to ingest it all and sort it out. I guess rail scrappers are more picky |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 11:49:53 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 23 11:24:48 2013. I meant for, say, the museum equipment. In case replacing one window is necessary. Or perhaps one of the Redbird cars at CCY. The R28 pair there has one car with the original drop sash windows; the other with the modified windows. Whatever windows salvaged from the R27 or R30 cars could be used on that car perhaps. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Wed Oct 23 12:12:17 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. Farewell old friends.Vader |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Oct 23 12:28:55 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 23 07:00:06 2013. However, considering none of the IRT redbirds have their original "looks" (rubber window edges, etc.), this is one of the last pieces of that era. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 23 13:00:45 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 11:49:53 2013. You really think they give a shit about the museum cars that do not and cannot go anywhere, except for a few IRT SMEE's ? They wouldn't even pick these cars for parts and ensure there will never be a operable "B" Division museum train of SMEE's. Why else would they be rushing these cars out the door ? |
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Posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 18:13:36 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by CJ on Wed Oct 23 11:32:58 2013. I can tell, and you're probably right; 7267 is real rusted. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Oct 23 20:33:39 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. Nice catch!It certainly had seen better days! |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 22:27:47 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by r17-6599 on Tue Oct 22 22:29:20 2013. Thank you! Such an amazing story, thank you for sharing! : ) |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 22:30:59 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Westcode44 on Tue Oct 22 23:01:16 2013. Thanks for sharing that. These cars left with number boards displayed proudly.I do have a related question. The R30 museum supply pair at 207 Street Yard, 8481 and 8522 - what's the deal with these? Are they also due for scrap or are they sticking around for a while? |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 22:33:27 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Oct 23 20:33:39 2013. Thanks! |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 22:35:27 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 23 13:00:45 2013. I'll leave that question to the ones here close to the inner happenings. I'd hope eventually they can run again and definitely having them just sit there won't be the case in the future. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 22:43:32 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 18:13:36 2013. There's probably no hope for 7267 at this point in my opinion. The interior is a mess rust-wise. There are also bunches of old signals in there that, according to one fellow subchatter on here, came from the Pelham Line many years ago. It's probably not a great candidate for any kind of restoration.Same can be said for R22 7486 at 207th Street Yard. That car's completely stripped of everything and it's just a car shell now. I'm wondering why that car hasn't been carted away sooner while many other cars are being scrapped. 6895 - maybe, but I kind of doubt it. She's been outside in the elements for years and because it has no windows, all that air and water and ice have most certainly have gotten in the interior. Exposed interior was the reason why R36WF car 9400-01 is no longer with us now. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 22:44:44 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 18:13:36 2013. And to add to my last post, we more likely have a better chance of the R12 and R14 cars at 207 getting some sort of treatment. |
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