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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Sep 8 21:46:54 2013 If Sarnelli Brothers collected their scraps from Coney Island Yard by City Yard, then were was this picture location below? Avenue X did not have a pier to my memory and according to thisvintage everyday website it is South Brooklyn. .jpg)
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Posted by Allan on Mon Sep 9 14:40:50 2013, in response to 1970s scrap car question, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Sep 8 21:46:54 2013. Looks like a pier off the SBR facility at 39th St. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 9 18:57:10 2013, in response to 1970s scrap car question, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Sep 8 21:46:54 2013. Oh, the humanity! |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Sep 9 19:44:23 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 9 18:57:10 2013. At least they went with their number plates still attached. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Sep 9 19:49:42 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Allan on Mon Sep 9 14:40:50 2013. White tall building looking somewhat like a project does not or did not exist there. Was suggested to me might be 207 but tha isnt the old incinerator. Not Linden Yard or Greenville, but was there old rickety piers at 207 or Avenue X then? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Mon Sep 9 19:51:49 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Sep 9 19:49:42 2013. no. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 9 20:54:58 2013, in response to 1970s scrap car question, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Sep 8 21:46:54 2013. I think Sarnelli Brothers operated a small pier on the Arthur Kill, Staten Island, near Saw Mill Creek. On or near the foot of Chelsea Road. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Sep 9 22:45:37 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 9 20:54:58 2013. Might makecsense because these cars are going through stages of demolition. When theycleft Coney Island Yard, they were halved and chained to trucks byt mostly intact. I dont know much about SI |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Sep 10 13:37:23 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 9 18:57:10 2013. R-1's. This must have been in early 1970, as I have all three unit numbers.wayne |
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Posted by BMRR on Tue Sep 10 14:26:30 2013, in response to 1970s scrap car question, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Sep 8 21:46:54 2013. That's just a sad sight. |
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Posted by BarnYard on Tue Sep 10 17:45:49 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Sep 9 22:45:37 2013. As a kid I remember R1's piled up like that in 207th St. Yard whenpassing by on the Major Deegan Expressway.My guess is the photo is taken near 207th St. Yard. As an aside, remember the movie " Cotton comes to Harlem" ? I remember a few scenes in that general area. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 10 20:27:26 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Sep 10 13:37:23 2013. 318 still has one of its signboxes. Too bad more of those weren't salvaged. At least I have mine... |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Sep 10 20:59:10 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by BarnYard on Tue Sep 10 17:45:49 2013. 1971 was Scrap Year for the R-4 fleet at 207 Street Yard. My Dad got me a box of brass dogtags from about 40 of these cars - still have them.wayne |
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Posted by paulb on Tue Sep 10 21:05:03 2013, in response to 1970s scrap car question, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Sep 8 21:46:54 2013. That is a horribly beautiful picture, if you know what I mean. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Sep 10 22:34:38 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by paulb on Tue Sep 10 21:05:03 2013. Back in '69 there was a pile just like that in CIYD, only it was made of BMT Standard halves.wayne |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Tue Sep 10 23:27:01 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by BarnYard on Tue Sep 10 17:45:49 2013. When I worked at 207, I remember seeing remnants of a pier. It was right about where the ramp comes down from the IRT. There is a crossing for vehicles there and out by the river by that crossing were all old timbers sticking up as if there was a pier there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 10 23:59:44 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by grimace1169 on Tue Sep 10 23:27:01 2013. There was ... 207 used to receive cars by water, especially in the beginning. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Sep 11 19:27:31 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Sep 10 20:59:10 2013. I had no clue anything was cut up there. I thought everything was scrapped at Coney Island and grew up in Kingsbridge and never saw scrap cars uptown. Thanks! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 12 12:50:01 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 10 23:59:44 2013. Hey old timer is this where you mean?   
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Posted by chud1 on Thu Sep 12 12:58:09 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 12 12:50:01 2013. my favorite subways cars.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 12 14:21:33 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 12 12:50:01 2013. Yep ... that be's the ramp and short pier ... :) |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Sep 12 20:05:56 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by chud1 on Thu Sep 12 12:58:09 2013. great shots,half of them I,ve never seen before. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Sep 13 11:08:23 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Sep 12 20:05:56 2013. That's because you had one eye closed. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Sep 13 11:14:15 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by chud1 on Thu Sep 12 12:58:09 2013. I have to agree with you.My second would be the "D" Types, the Triplexes. I can count on one hand the number of times I road on them. They just didn't serve where I traveled, before I was fully addicted. I still have fantasies about a fan trip or worse, an MTH release of Triplexes. |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Fri Sep 13 16:36:52 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 10 23:59:44 2013. Yes, I know about the old pier slip with the gantry but I saw something else. This was in the front of the yard where ramp comes down from the IRT. The old gantry was in the back. |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Fri Sep 13 17:05:48 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 12 12:50:01 2013. The pier that I was thinking about is above the barge in this aerial photo.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 13 19:53:34 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by grimace1169 on Fri Sep 13 16:36:52 2013. Maybe for cranes to drop them in there from the street? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 13 19:54:38 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by grimace1169 on Fri Sep 13 17:05:48 2013. Are you talking about that wreckage of the other pier above the barge? |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Fri Sep 13 21:01:27 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 13 19:54:38 2013. Yep. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 13 21:20:28 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by grimace1169 on Fri Sep 13 21:01:27 2013. I never did much of 207 other than once for a yard transfer, but I think the old slip was right about where the barge is now. I don't remember the old wreck pier in the photo at all, but then again I never really spent any time at 207 even though I lived up in the Marble Hill PJ's and walked by it on tenth ave there often on the street.You've really got me wondering if that pier you're pointing at isn't newer than the original one seen in the old photos. I recall the slip tracks there being parallel with all of the others in the yard, and on the south end of it where that barge is. But it's been SO long, I really don't remember. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 14 09:38:00 2013, in response to 1970s scrap car question, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Sep 8 21:46:54 2013. Is it just me, 318 has two segments. One on top of the other.Yet, the astute student will note, those two segments would only make a car with three doors per side. A section is missing! A missing property report must be filed! |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Sep 14 12:52:50 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Sep 13 11:08:23 2013. now why didn`t I think of that? since I took your advise I see the world in a new perspective. god bless you ,my son. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 14 17:15:44 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 12 12:50:01 2013. in one of those pics..all the r units are signaled for HH service or BB trains to the never built Houston/Essex st station. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 14 17:32:01 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 14 17:15:44 2013. Sharp eye, bro! :) |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Sat Sep 14 17:54:33 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 13 21:20:28 2013. The other pier with the gantry in the old photos is closer to the back of the yard or further north. See the water line of the yard and going towards the back or the right of the picture it suddenly cuts in perfectly square inwards and then continues north or right again, that is where the other pier was. Its remnants are right behind todays garbage platform. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 14 18:14:16 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by grimace1169 on Sat Sep 14 17:54:33 2013. Yep. That one was still in place when I lived down there although disused. The one I'm referring to was even earlier than that one and was at the south end of those tracks where the barge is in that photo. If you look at the earliest arrival photos, you'll see that. The photos where the new arnines were marked up as BB's to Essex. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 14 18:16:24 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 14 18:14:16 2013. Nope ... wait ... you're right! My bad ... like I said, it's been a long time. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 14 18:21:34 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 14 18:16:24 2013. The clue for me there was seeing the Third Avenue RR company streetcar barn in the background. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 14 18:50:17 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 12 12:50:01 2013. For this picture, I find it interesting that the (currently) two most commmon train lengths other than 10 cars are not represented: 4 and 8. I see:1 2 car train 2 3 car trains 2 5 car trains 1 6 car train 3 9 car trains and a whole lotta 10 car trains.
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Sep 14 19:33:28 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 14 18:50:17 2013. It doesn't matter, it's a yard where cars get moved around all the time. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 14 22:40:34 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Sep 14 19:33:28 2013. I know, and IIRC this picture was taken before the first day of service for the IND. My point was that I found it interesting there were no 8 or 4 car consists, whereas nowadays pretty much every B division yard will have 4 and 8 car consists laying around somewhere... |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Sep 14 22:49:17 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 14 22:40:34 2013. If you wanted to see more 8 and 4 car consists, then the yard would have needed many more shorter tracks. In the case of current consists, a particular track can hold 2 600' A trains or 2 480' C trains. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Sep 14 22:50:44 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Sep 14 22:49:17 2013. Today many of those tracks have been extended past the barn. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Sep 14 22:52:14 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 14 22:40:34 2013. In the early days of the IND they were running far fewer cars than 8 and 10. More like 3 and 4. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 15 00:52:17 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Sep 14 22:52:14 2013. Correct. Even into the 1960s, late PM, midnight and Sunday AAs ran 3 car consists as I believe the GG did also. There is also a stock film clip which was used in a Superman episode as well as several other programs requiring subway scenes that show a 7 car AA local train. I recall that midnight A and D services ran 5 car consists in the 1960s. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Sep 15 08:06:50 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 14 09:38:00 2013. You are right. I gather when they moved them out of 207 they needed very low clearance on their trailers to clear the els. 318 also has its compressor stuffed into its interior, pieces of roof laying on the floor. I guess that's why they moved scraps to CI. Making money in junkyards incurs transporting stuff fast to where recycling operations are faster. It took them almost a day per two cars to load up those Concourse wreck cars they needed to be downsized and get them off the property where two R44s were on their way within an hour because they were loaded almost whole with pre arranged prep. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Sep 15 10:22:14 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 14 09:38:00 2013. Yet, the astute student will note, those two segments would only make a car with three doors per side. A section is missing!Check heypaul's apartment. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 15 10:53:34 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 15 00:52:17 2013. 3 car GG consists were common on the weekends during the 60s. I remember as a kid lookin for a first car front window standing way too far down the 65th st platform from where the train stopped. That helped me develop my sprinting skills! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 15 14:08:43 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Sep 15 10:22:14 2013. 
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 15 19:59:04 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 12 12:50:01 2013. There's another destination sign that's never turned up anywhere - Houston Essex. Add that to Concourse - Fordham, Queens - Roosevelt Av and World's Fair (no, not the one on the WF R-36s). |
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