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Posted by rockparkman on Fri Aug 23 18:41:28 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 23 17:09:54 2013. Don't TSSs have a set of handles? |
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Posted by Alex L. on Fri Aug 23 19:27:03 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 22 23:22:01 2013. Could be hard - he left School Car about five years ago and left Transit two or three years ago. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Fri Aug 23 19:28:15 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 23 13:37:40 2013. The ultimate sin: he listened to a Dispatcher, who told him to pull it back. |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Aug 23 21:02:20 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by rockparkman on Fri Aug 23 18:41:28 2013. for some they are called ears, for when they need to get major help from a superintendent.... |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Aug 23 21:04:24 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Alex L. on Fri Aug 23 19:28:15 2013. I did the same thing and backed my train up by request of the dispatcher. No TSS(M/I then) was around, and I got away with it... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 23 21:15:09 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 23 17:09:54 2013. You dog you! :)Molotov! Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 23 21:17:21 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Alex L. on Fri Aug 23 19:28:15 2013. Ow. :( |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Aug 23 21:18:38 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 23 17:09:54 2013. try to get to work with G/S Henschke, you 2 may get along very wellGood Luck and congrats... |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Aug 23 23:01:57 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 23 17:09:54 2013. Good luck and don't write up any of the people who post here |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Fri Aug 23 23:24:24 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by LuchAAA on Fri Aug 23 10:58:26 2013. ROTFLMFAO as if you have any right to post anything related to this subject. Too funny.Peace, Andee |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Aug 23 23:27:41 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Aug 23 11:54:28 2013. There is a lack of incentive to go to supervision today.For the first 3 years they get 70% of top pay. So if you go to from t/o to TSS or Train Dispatcher you are making less money per hour than the people you supervise. You have to work more hours just to keep the same pay you got before the promotion. |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Aug 23 23:30:54 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Mr. D - Type on Fri Aug 23 15:27:15 2013. 'What are these idiotic responses ?'it's what I do, been doing, have fun doing, and will continue to do so-when I care to 'Why is it so difficult to just stick to the topics ?' glue aint strong enough, give me an 'opening' and I may well fill it in..... 'Why must personal attacks be made ?' where in the previous post did I do that??? 'This is suppose to be a place to discuss transit news and notes.' where in the guidelines is this stated?????? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 23 23:46:35 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Aug 23 23:27:41 2013. That sucks. :(When I worked for the state years ago, took every promotional I could get my hands on and did rather well. But back then, each pay grade increase started out with that "before top pay" rank above the title I had left previously, so taking the promotionals and going off to new horizons was worth all the hoohah. THAT SUCKS! :( |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Aug 23 23:48:07 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 23 17:09:54 2013. That was fast.Keep Climbing ;) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 23 23:49:32 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by LuchAAA on Fri Aug 23 23:48:07 2013. That's what I love about the department of subways ... keep climbing, and when you get there, you reach ... the street! :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 23 23:57:44 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 23 17:09:54 2013. Congratulations! |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 23 23:59:42 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 23 23:49:32 2013. LOL! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 23 23:59:56 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Alex L. on Fri Aug 23 19:28:15 2013. I heard it just that way. That's probably why the T/D walked the plank too. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 24 00:22:14 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 23 23:59:42 2013. See? When you booked on originally, did they ever tell you that there was more than one way to land on the street? I don't THINK so! :)I'm sure you've met Dave F in A division ... he's actually met me face to face. Wish you all the best, brah! Now get your ass out there and phuck up that railroad with a SMILE! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 24 00:22:50 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 24 00:22:14 2013. Oh yeah ... he met bingbong too! :) |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Aug 24 01:23:31 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 23 13:37:40 2013. I was just teasing |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 24 09:32:27 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Aug 24 01:23:31 2013. Fact is, that is the story I heard. Of course we know how those stories grow but I heard that there is to be a large conclave at PS248 Friday next. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 14:46:05 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 23 23:46:35 2013. They still do that (for the most part) but you still lose out on overtime and other means of getting additional pay. If I get on the projects I'm hoping to be on, I'd be making more than if I took a promotion. Of course there's still the nagging incentive of [anything over the base salary is subject to the whims of management]. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 24 14:56:53 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 24 14:46:05 2013. Yeah, I kinda lucked out when I was there. Came in as an 18, promo'd to 21, then 23 and then finally M3 (OMCE) ... that last one was sweet as far as the bucks went, but the bullsquat of having to back up what the politicos promised with the lawyers as an engineer, fully knowing it was a pack of lies, made me hit the silk at NYPSC. I guess it's OK for someone with no conscience, but I just couldn't do that anymore. :( |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 24 15:51:22 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by LuchAAA on Fri Aug 23 02:20:59 2013. Perhaps not in RTO. In Car Equipment it's always been that you changed tours or RDOs to help a person advance up the ranks. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 24 20:25:36 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by FarRock on Fri Aug 23 12:49:33 2013. Common sense has been legislated out of existence. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 24 20:27:28 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 24 09:32:27 2013. And I think it's safe to assume they won't be electing a pope.:) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 24 20:42:05 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 24 20:27:28 2013. No, I don't think so but I'm sure Mr. H.L. will have some words from up top to pass along. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Sat Aug 24 22:04:00 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 24 15:51:22 2013. Last week I heard that NYCT is recalling retired TO's who are under age 60, and that have been out for the last year to return to work. They get their seniority, if it's adjusted for their time out, I don't know. They would work the extra/extra board until the next pick.The reason was due to a shortage of trained TO's as a result of retirements. I can't recall how this will work with the folks at NYCERS. Beyond the above, I know nothing else. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 24 22:06:48 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Handbrake on Sat Aug 24 22:04:00 2013. There was a news article on this. The reason given there was the additional demands put on by the Montague closure (both more work trains and two-section R's) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 24 22:07:30 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Handbrake on Sat Aug 24 22:04:00 2013. Agencies can obtain an "exception for need" which will lawfully allow them to bring back a retiree without penalties. It requires a helluva lot of groveling and explanation, but civil service law permits it in an "exceptional emergency" condition. Takes an awful lot of stupid though to be able to push THAT button without having properly anticipated this beforehand.Wigs WILL get spanked for this! :) |
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Posted by Handbrake on Sat Aug 24 22:17:39 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 24 22:07:30 2013. A nice program for those who did not anticipate what it would be like to spend all that uninterrupted time with their significant other. While most folks ponder their economic plans for retirement, thinking about what to do with all that free time is something that can't be ignored.Just my thoughts... As for the Montague Street Sandy Project, great time for RTO flagging. Flagger's on weekends are as common as passenger pigeons these days. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 24 22:29:33 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Handbrake on Sat Aug 24 22:04:00 2013. They are offering snow in the winter as far as I'm concerned. They come back at their old salary which is the current one. They have their pension suspended while they are working. They pay into the new pansion plan and get no seniority. It certainly is not the way I'd choose to go back. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Sat Aug 24 22:35:55 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 24 22:29:33 2013. The seniority, and vacation time, was presented differently by a C/R that I know. The only item is that all the information I heard may not be correct.I know a retired TO who are over sixty, and have been out for over five years. So for now, he does not fit the profile based on today's recall criteria. So I'll probably not know what NYCT's enticements may be. Yes its blood money. But there have always been mercenary's in the world. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 25 00:01:55 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Handbrake on Sat Aug 24 22:35:55 2013. The 2nd letter sent to the T/O s stated that they had to be out less than 2 years. In the original letter, they did say that for pick purposes, their seniority would be based on their original hire date. I stand corrected on that point. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 25 00:46:11 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Handbrake on Sat Aug 24 22:17:39 2013. Heh. Yeah, I did "retirement" already and while my lady and I get along just dandy, sitting on my ass got boring quick. So we started a software company and then an operating system company and I've just recently gotten hired up by the largest corporation in the world. But yeah, nobody really anticipates what they're gonna DO with their ass once they get out and get tired of golf or motorcycling. :)I'm sure Montague is one of the least of their shortcomings. When I joined the railroad back in 1970, the IND people were walking away and they were literally Shanghai'ing anyone that wasn't paying attention to their surroundings near subway entrances and tossed conductor hats on their asses and shoved them between cars on arnines back then. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 25 00:52:58 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Handbrake on Sat Aug 24 22:35:55 2013. Can't say how it works with the city retirement system, but at the state level, if you get called back and your pension is suspended, what they do is recalculate your rate when you finally pipe off the ship and that rate, based on your age and years, is often considerably better than when you piped off. It's all done based on underwriting scores, and when you go back into the system, they recalculate your rate.Once again, dunno how NYCERS does it ... |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 25 01:53:29 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 25 00:52:58 2013. There is a possible way to get around NYCERS and that is ti hire the retirees back as per diem "consultants" which means they ate technically self employed and working for NYCTA as independent contractors. It's been done with retired managers and supervisors for years. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 25 02:04:17 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by randyo on Sun Aug 25 01:53:29 2013. Been offered that as well at the state level - PROBLEM at the state level anyway is that even as a consultant, that gets civil service on your ass, and it gets messy. At the state level, you have to register under the lobbying laws and a whole raft of things UNLESS you're doing it under some corporation that hires you.Like I said, dunno how the city system does it, but it gets really messy at the state level. When I saw all the encumberances involved, I just said "nay" ... :) Your system down there is different. There's nothing I'd get a kick out of more after all these years and STILL being "fit for duty" than moving some trains and getting paid for it. But I dunno about working for the morons running the railroad THESE days, such as we see the escapees from here and their attitudes. Now if I were to work for Charlie Patterson or any of the old teeyay folks, that'd be a different story. (grin) |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Aug 25 03:03:31 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 24 20:42:05 2013. Lol..... |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Aug 25 03:08:39 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Aug 23 23:27:41 2013. Its actually 80% of top pay for three years. Also, under the current contract, you keep your TWU benefits for ten years, and you pay into your medical........ |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Aug 25 06:57:55 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Handbrake on Sat Aug 24 22:04:00 2013. Last week I heard that NYCT is recalling retired TO's who are under age 60, and that have been out for the last year to return to work.How can this be ? If you retire and start collecting a pension, you can be rehired back to where you earned your pension ? Once you put in for retirement, you can't un retire, according to the NYS Retirement System. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Aug 25 07:48:50 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 23 14:18:10 2013. I saw that from guys like Stanley Reed and Goffin. Micromanagement took over after Gunn left in FULL even though Gunn started hiring the non civil service in droves |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Aug 25 08:14:23 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 25 00:01:55 2013. The ONLY way I'd consider working there is if they paid my NYCERS credits AND used my last three ACTIVE years of final average pay. I guess they won't be calling anytime soon. I can't see ANYONE wanting to go back there once they leave unless they ran through a switch on purpose. They can't fire you if you are already retired |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 25 09:01:06 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Aug 25 06:57:55 2013. They suspend the pension for the period of your service. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 25 09:04:20 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Aug 25 08:14:23 2013. Unless someone really miscalculated retirement, I agree. Now per diem. well that's another story. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 25 09:37:39 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 25 09:01:06 2013. That's what most private companies do as well when retirees come back to work. What gets complicated is what happens if you earn a better pension as a result of your additional work. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Aug 25 12:00:19 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 25 09:04:20 2013. Final average salaries appear to be going down there. More times than not it seems they are not short on T/Os, although it is the worst shortages since I left in 2002. But it is usually a short lived cycle. They go on hiring binges in the beginning of the year and choke back in the later holiday months so as to save on the vacation payrolls where one would need the FULL year of service to qualify for the extra week at time of pick. I'm only 46 now so even though I'd have 26 years in now and be working main shop with D.S. or the Dolly, I can retire with better benefits in Railroad Retirement, not including the 457K I pay for with the pay differential between the Port and NYCT. Per Diem work is great for married nurses who already have health benefits as the cash flow is generally higher. I wonder if anyone will sue for discrimination if they aren't invited back for their brake handles |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 25 14:05:32 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Aug 25 06:57:55 2013. You can't, but an agency can declare an "emergency" (and suffer for it) and you can get drafted back in after special paperwork and a special incantation. Department of Public Service has tried to Shanghai me back in several times after I retired. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 25 14:09:17 2013, in response to Re: Derailment In Coney Island Yd., posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Aug 25 07:48:50 2013. Yep ... I was long out of there by then. I also place Paul Todaro's cowboy hat in nomination for "best M/I *EVER!*." He's ages gone from there so I'll drop the full name. He's also the one who went balls to the wall to clear my name after that derail. |
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