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LIRR MP54 at rte 112

Posted by monorail on Sat Aug 17 13:57:19 2013

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anyone have a photo, I understand the car will be moved soon due to construction

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Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112

Posted by monorail on Sat Aug 17 14:02:00 2013, in response to LIRR MP54 at rte 112, posted by monorail on Sat Aug 17 13:57:19 2013.

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or an exact location, my source cannot provide one...

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Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 17:22:18 2013, in response to Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112, posted by monorail on Sat Aug 17 14:02:00 2013.

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I hope it can survive the move. That car is 100 years old.
4 similar cars in the Riverhead group literally fell apart in the last decade and in the 1980's.

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Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112

Posted by CJ on Sat Aug 17 17:44:17 2013, in response to Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 17:22:18 2013.

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What year was it built? Is there any pictures of the car?

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Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 18:05:59 2013, in response to Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112, posted by CJ on Sat Aug 17 17:44:17 2013.

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1913

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/pass/heritage/lirr1398_W6mikearnold02-25-06.jpg

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/pass/heritage/12-07-07joetischnerportjeff.jpg

It last ran in late 1969 or early 1970
If you were to go there and see the car up-close, you can see small round sheet metal patches at the end of the roof where BRT-style market lights popped up.

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Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Aug 17 18:40:55 2013, in response to Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112, posted by monorail on Sat Aug 17 14:02:00 2013.

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Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112

Posted by monorail on Sat Aug 17 18:55:11 2013, in response to Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Aug 17 18:40:55 2013.

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thank you!
was just able to find it on my own, about the same time you posted it here
perhaps our minds worked in unison..... sorry if any ill feelings passed over to you...

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Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112

Posted by monorail on Sat Aug 17 19:00:13 2013, in response to Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112, posted by monorail on Sat Aug 17 18:55:11 2013.

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from Google Earth
 photo LIRRMP541398pt2_zps2008e829.jpg

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Re: LIRR Not an MP54 at rte 112

Posted by rockparkman on Sat Aug 17 19:45:42 2013, in response to Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Aug 17 18:40:55 2013.

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That car has a baggage section. I don't know the nomenclature of such a car but it ain't an MP-54.

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Re: LIRR Not an MP54 at rte 112

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 17 19:49:26 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Not an MP54 at rte 112, posted by rockparkman on Sat Aug 17 19:45:42 2013.

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Apparently they were ... it was designated as an MP-54 "combine." Not the most authoritative source, but this might help, especially if you're a modeler ...

http://www.con-cor.com/HO-Long-Island-mP54.html

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Re: LIRR Not an MP54 at rte 112

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 19:51:25 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Not an MP54 at rte 112, posted by rockparkman on Sat Aug 17 19:45:42 2013.

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MPB-54

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Re: LIRR MPB-54 at rte 112

Posted by rockparkman on Sat Aug 17 19:58:35 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Not an MP54 at rte 112, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 19:51:25 2013.

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I thought it was something like that

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Re: LIRR MPB-54 at rte 112

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 19:58:53 2013, in response to Re: LIRR MPB-54 at rte 112, posted by rockparkman on Sat Aug 17 19:58:35 2013.

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http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=MPB54-.gif&sel=motorpassengerbaggage&sz=sm&fr=

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Re: LIRR MPB-54 at rte 112

Posted by BMRR on Sat Aug 17 20:46:22 2013, in response to Re: LIRR MPB-54 at rte 112, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 19:58:53 2013.

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I got packed into one of those in the baggage section during a snow
storm in the late 60's. Used that big door to enter and exit. Rode from Rosedale to Jamaica.

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Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112

Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Aug 18 13:08:03 2013, in response to LIRR MP54 at rte 112, posted by monorail on Sat Aug 17 13:57:19 2013.

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Is this the one you want?


Or this


Perhaps


Could these trucks and motors be used on IND R 1-9's or "D" Type triplexes?

Under carriage inspection by DUKE!




High Level Platform


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Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112

Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 18 15:43:09 2013, in response to Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Aug 18 13:08:03 2013.

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Trucks have about an 8' wheelbase. I suspect all moveable components are rusted still.

They did install storm windows. Carbody is in pretty good shape for its age.

Notice the end doors are rather flush with the end of the car. the 1200-1600 series MU cars, and 300-400, 600 and 700 series combines in the steam fleet, all built 1908-1917 had just 5" collision posts and telescoped rather easily. The arch roof cars and the Altoona-built 1100's of 1930 had 12" and held up much better in wrecks.

This is the sole survivor of a non-1100 series clerestory roof car. No steam car exists. The 385 had been in Webster NY, and was scrapped about 10 years ago as it had started falling apart. These cars also have a weakness by the top of the sides disconnecting from the roof and cave in as they get to be 80+ years old. The PRR and ACF of Berwick, PA didn't engineer them to last for eternity.

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Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112

Posted by monorail on Sun Aug 18 18:48:13 2013, in response to Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Aug 18 13:08:03 2013.

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all of the above, thanks!

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Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112

Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 18 20:28:33 2013, in response to Re: LIRR MP54 at rte 112, posted by monorail on Sun Aug 18 18:48:13 2013.

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I still dream about them now and again, 40 years later. I will never get over their loss.

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