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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Aug 4 21:36:56 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 4 20:53:41 2013. you remember wrong.the wall at a7/8 is all cinderblock,the wall at Pitkin & grants ann concrete.look at the photo you took of MY shovel at A7/8 its all cinderblock. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Aug 4 21:40:11 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 4 20:55:41 2013. I can,my maintainer worked Pitkin yard when it was opened in 1948 and told me about it 1964.2 cops I worked with in the 7-5 were in it in 1978. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 4 21:50:26 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Aug 4 21:33:42 2013. Why do you keep dragging my wife into the argument, dan? She's does not play here just like the sot you're married to. Man up and insult me if that makes you feel good. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 4 21:51:13 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Aug 4 21:36:56 2013. you're correct - my bad |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Aug 4 21:51:51 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 4 21:50:26 2013. Don't go away mad, just go away. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Aug 4 21:54:30 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Aug 4 21:51:51 2013. stfu |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Aug 4 21:55:43 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 4 20:50:18 2013. lmfao |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 5 00:33:34 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Aug 4 21:51:51 2013. Why do you keep embarrassing yourself, dan? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 5 07:39:59 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 3 14:57:07 2013. Yeah..somebody had at least some knowledge of subway folklore. I doubt that was a coincidence... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 5 11:15:05 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Aug 3 16:37:49 2013. Nature backfilled any 76th st tunnel and station.That part of Queens has a very high water table. It would have been like building an underground station in the Iron Triangle and letting it be. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 5 11:17:17 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Aug 4 10:40:28 2013. what does wadl mean?"Wrong Again Dan Lawrence" |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 5 15:34:07 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 4 20:55:41 2013. There was no "change" to the elevated line. The model board clearly shows both the line to 76 St and the ramp to the Grant Av and the Fulton St el. As originally planned, the subway was to continue down Pitkin Av and connect to the LIRR ROW via a ramp from beneath the LIRR in the vicinity of Aqueduct while the branch was to utilize the Fulton St el structure to Lefferts as it does now. As I have mentioned in many posts on this topic, a set of contract drawings I have seen for the el portion indicated that S/O Hudson St, "existing BMT signaling to be used beyond this point." That would indicate that there was to have been n Liberty Jct as we now know it. A B of T report I have from 1950, however, shows a connection between the Fulton St el S/O Rock Blvd to the LIRR ROW which seems to indicate that between the time Euclid opened in 1948 and the time of the report in 1951, the city had abandoned plans to continue the subway farther down Pitkin and opted for the connection to the LIRR from the el instead of a new subway. Interestingly, that connection was supposed to coexist with the building of the connection between the IND Qns Blvd Line N/O 63 Dr although I don't know what sort of junction there would have been between the ramp from the Fulton St el and the tracks coming form Rego Pk. In any event, it was originally planned to have both the connection to the Fulton St el and the extension of the subway down Pitkin coexist and not have one replace the other. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 5 15:35:00 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 4 21:51:13 2013. I was just going to say that since I've been to both places several times! |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 5 15:36:56 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 5 11:15:05 2013. As long as you mentioned it, from what I have heard, that is the reason the subway was not continued down Pitkin. The contractors supposedly encountered "soil problems" in the area. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 5 20:42:25 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 3 21:45:18 2013. Cosmo Kramer for the win! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Aug 6 12:05:48 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 5 15:36:56 2013. yep.The same thing would happen to the ESA tunnel under construction under Sunnyside Yards if they were ever to abandon it completely. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Aug 6 19:09:46 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 5 11:15:05 2013. PROFF IS REQUIRED. |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:15:55 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Aug 3 16:34:39 2013. On the street where it is supposed to be, along Pitkin Avenue, just over the Brooklyn border into Queens, there are no traces of evidence, like subway gratings, that anything lies below. On the model board in the control tower at the Euclid Avenue Station, there is a now black-taped over portion that says "76th Street". It also says on the board, that the next tower is at Cross Bay Blvd".The three unused tracks dead-end at a cinder block wall rather than a solid wall, and one track ends at a solid concrete wall. One signal faces the dead-end tunnel about three car lengths from the end of the tunnel, which makes no sense to be there unless the signal was not taken out while or after the tunnel was sealed. There are rumors that the tracks continue past the cinder block wall and into the 76th Street station shell. On the wall of the tunnels leading to 76th Street, there was a sign that read "To Crossbay Blvd". There is also an abandoned shovel at the end of the tunnel. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Aug 6 19:25:19 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:15:55 2013. THERE ARE 2 TRACK BEDS,NOT THREE AT THE CINDERBLOCK WALL.4 TRACKS END AT PITKIN&ELDERTS LANE.THES TRACKS ARE A1,A2,A3,A4.THERE ARE 3 HOMEBALL SIGNALS ON THESE TRACKS.2 ARE FACING THE CONCRETE WALL AND ONE IS FACING TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THE WALL.THE SHOVEL IS NOT ABANDONED,ITS WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO TRY DIGGING UNDER THE CINDERBLOCK WALL. |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:27:06 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Aug 6 19:25:19 2013. the shovel IS abandoned at the moment though. |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:30:13 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 3 16:52:47 2013. 
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:32:57 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Aug 6 19:25:19 2013. looks abandoned to me:
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Aug 6 19:44:41 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:27:06 2013. NO,ITS RUSTING IN PEACE. |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:45:44 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Aug 6 19:44:41 2013. exactly |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:56:11 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 5 15:34:07 2013. speaking of 63rd drive, there is a turn-off provision off the D1 Track (Mahattan-bound local) east of the station. This turnoff ramps up to an upper level. It crosses over the existing IND Queens Blvd Subway to curve south, and ends at the edge of the line under Queens Blvd. Well over the years, I've ridden on the eastbound R, GG/G, N, EE and V lines between Roosevelt Avenue and 71st-Continental many times and have seen the turnouts at from the railfan window. I can't recall the exact area, but I know that at least one of the turnouts is very short and comes to a wall perhaps 40ft away from the main line (I believe its the one next to the D2 Track), and, interestingly, even has an emergency exit that was built into the wall that curves away from the main line. The other one goes a little longer. I've read somewhere that one of the tunnels continues as far as 66th Avenue. As I said, it does go a little longer than the other one. These were obviously turnouts intended for lines to be built later, which of course, never were. That emergency exit where the tunnel first turns off.At the 63rd Drive station the structure at the end of the Jamaica/Forest Hills bound end was to be a tower. This structure supposed to be the tower for the proposed Rockaway Line connection. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 6 20:24:41 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Aug 6 19:44:41 2013. C'mon, man ... you're not going to tell them whose it is? :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 6 20:26:38 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:30:13 2013. Yep ... that's it! Looks like somebody crudded up the left side, it was all shiny as the rest years ago. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Aug 6 21:16:14 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Aug 6 19:09:46 2013. PROFF IS REQUIRED.Here's your PROFF. This is "The Hole" The place is surreal. This is what happens when it rains in the non-raised areas of that part of Queens. You tell me what would happen to an abandoned tunnel and station under such geological conditions.     
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 6 21:36:04 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by SMAZ on Tue Aug 6 21:16:14 2013. And for those who may not know their forestry, weeping willow trees are not at all kind to underground cement. Their roots can travel up to a half mile in search of LOTS of water. You don't want those ANYWHERE near a foundation or underground cement and steel ... especially pipes, be they cast iron or plastic. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Aug 6 21:45:36 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 6 20:24:41 2013. I thought everybody already knew whose it is. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 6 22:00:34 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by SMAZ on Tue Aug 6 21:45:36 2013. We have NEWCOMERS! :)
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 6 22:04:10 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:32:57 2013. Is that the photo I took many years ago? |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 22:21:30 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 6 22:04:10 2013. you took that pic for ltv squad?didn't know that... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 6 22:41:38 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 22:21:30 2013. I don't recall if that was the one I took or not, The original is on my other computer but it did make the rounds |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Aug 6 22:45:32 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 5 15:36:56 2013. Besides the previous post, I did a point by point demolition of any fairy tale regarding the existence of 76th st Station in this thread with the aid of this aerial photoRead my posts on that thread which conclusively and irrefragably refutes any fantasy about a station in that location. I have nothing else to add. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 8 17:49:01 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by SMAZ on Tue Aug 6 21:16:14 2013. 76st is over half a mile from the hole,proff is required,. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 8 18:00:54 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:56:11 2013. you read it here ,posted my times by me. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 8 18:01:29 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:56:11 2013. you read it here ,posted many times by me. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 8 18:43:38 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by renee gil on Tue Aug 6 19:56:11 2013. I thought that in one of the threads on this subject that it was determined that the turnoff on the S/B side N/O 63 Dr ramps down and under the QBlvd mainline unlike Roosevelt which does ramp to the upper level. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 8 19:00:39 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 8 18:43:38 2013. it was.I was in it about 10 years ago & took several subchatters there also. |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 8 19:02:08 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 8 18:01:29 2013. um, read what here? it's what i observed. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 8 19:22:47 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by SMAZ on Tue Aug 6 21:16:14 2013. The mosquitoes must be humongous.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 8 19:31:30 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 8 19:02:08 2013. your post says that you read somewhere that the tunnel extends down 66th ave,I have posted extensively on that. |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 8 19:36:32 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Aug 8 19:31:30 2013. oh. about that. originally i had no idea that the s/b tunnel extend all the way to 66th avenue...until i read it here on nycsubway.org. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 8 19:39:40 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 8 19:36:32 2013. Here or on nycsubway.org? |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Aug 8 19:40:30 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 8 19:39:40 2013. Lol |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Aug 8 19:41:42 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Aug 8 19:40:30 2013. OOPSLOL Piece, Andee |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 8 19:49:38 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 8 19:39:40 2013. sorry, i mean nycsubway.org |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 8 19:50:06 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Aug 8 19:40:30 2013. toidi. |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 8 19:55:30 2013, in response to Re: Seinfeld Subway Episode, posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Aug 8 19:41:42 2013. "oops" is right, toidi. |
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